I janitor /mu/, and I'd like to talk about KPOP threads. Their location on my board makes sense--certainly moreso than /vg/--they aren't strictly breaking any rules, and they've been pretty good about keeping it to one thread at a time with little spillover into the rest of the board. I understand all of this, and so I haven't taken issue with them at all until recently.I think they're beginning to bring down the standards of the board. More and more people are making excuses for their own shitty posting (e.g., chart circlejerk threads) by saying that if KPOP generals that never ever mention the music are allowed, then their own non-music threads should be too. While their arguments are flawed, it's easy to see where these people are coming from.I'd like to propose again--as has been done before--that KPOP threads be moved again, to /s/. The users who participate in the threads seem to mostly be migrants from /vg/ (right? I don't know much about /vg/, I just know that these threads started showing up on /mu/ suddenly one day), so they're not invested in /mu/'s culture at all. Moreover, the subject matter is just a good fit for /s/.Thoughts?
I also janitor /mu/ and have been considering making a thread on this subject myself. I spend a lot of time in these threads because they often need a lot of attention to stay more on topic and to remove some of the junk, and I more or less have to agree with you. The threads are largely image dump/waifu threads with occasional light music "discussion" sprinkled in from time to time./mu/ has long had k-pop threads, but these recent ones are very different. The old ones used to be much better at talking about music and didn't make constant 24/7 k-pop generals.I try to keep the waifu mess to a minimum but I can't just nuke the whole thread every time they make it. If they stay on /mu/, something will have to change. This can't keep going on. It's not healthy for the board as most of the board does not welcome them and uses them to justify their shitposting.
This continues to be a problem (as expected), but it certainly isn't getting any better and it may in fact be getting worse.Am I really to just let them be? They are the most consistently off topic and shitpost ridden threads on the board by no small margin.
>>2605Well according to /mu/'s rules, they are technically on topic, as they are talking about artists (even if they're talking about nothing but how much they want to bone them but oh no we don't want to bone them Korean girls don't have vaginas you sicko fap fap fap).It's also worth pointing out that people in the kpop threads abuse the reports system all the goddamn time. At any given moment on /mu/, between about one and three quarters of the reports queue is filled with their usually non-rule breaking reports. They're probably the most entitled pricks on /mu/.
>>2608>It's also worth pointing out that people in the kpop threads abuse the reports system all the goddamn time. At any given moment on /mu/, between about one and three quarters of the reports queue is filled with their usually non-rule breaking reports. They're probably the most entitled pricks on /mu/.Absolutely. Funnily enough, they are some of the only people who seem to use the report function when I'm around but they need to lay off a bit.
If you are worried about the standards being brought down, then simply ban request certain posts for 'quality of post.' Kpop certainly has a home in /mu/ and should remain there. I would recommend targeting the posts that including any sort of boning as a starting point. Summer is coming if it hasn't already. So be ready to fend off these violators quick and early.
>>2698I see what you're saying, and I agree for the most part.My worry with this idea is that there really are a lot of low quality posts, and I don't want to ban everyone (essentially killing the threads) or overuse the quality of posts ban request.
Is someone deleting the Kpop threads without a subject? I don't think that helps anything and there is no rule regarding subjects on /mu/.
>>2728I have been (Funkmuscle). There's no rule about it, but I feel like the deep schism and animosity between kpop and the rest of the board makes this a unique circumstance. My hope is that 1) if the /mu/chachos who don't want to see those threads don't ever have to see them, they'll stop thinking to use the "kpop threads are shit, so I'll make shit threads too" logic which has been really prevalent and explicit, and 2) most of them will stop invading kpop threads with shitposts.If you guys don't agree or think I'm overstepping my bounds, I'll stop.
>>2729I support encouraging them to at least use a subject. It's pretty clear after a while that they do it just to get past users' filters and get more eyeballs. It turns ridiculous when you're seeing k-p-o-p and a bunch of variations of such. I don't think it's out of line to ask for some civility from them when their containment thread is already a compromise people are not happy with.
>>2729>>2730I'm just not sure it's working. I prefer them to use a subject of course, but I'm not sure we should be "forcing" them to, if that makes sense. So far the only thing it's really accomplished is making them unhappier and gives them more to shitpost and complain about instead of talking about K-pop. On more than one occasion, they were actually having a decent discussion, but the thread was deleted for no subject, and then once the new one was made they just complained about mods, how everyone's out to get them, and went back to talking about which kpop they'd fuq.>who don't want to see those threads don't ever have to see them, they'll stop thinking to use the "kpop threads are shit, so I'll make shit threads too" logic which has been really prevalent and explicit, and 2) most of them will stop invading kpop threads with shitpostsI think this is becoming less of a problem than it was in the past and I'm not sure the best course of action is to take this out on the kpopers.
>>2732Alright that's fair enough. I'll go easy on them for a while. If it gets worse though, I'm going back to making them use a subject.
>>2745ty>If it gets worse though, I'm going back to making them use a subject.Are you talking about post quality? Those threads are the most inconsistent threads in the world. Sometimes they're okay, but right now for instance they kind of suck. At least it's on topic
Update: after yesterday's thread deletions and today's 3-day banning of many posters for shitposting in the generals, a lot of them have decided they're going to move their threads to /r9k/.SerWind and I (Funkmuscle) have been talking about it, and we both think this is a pretty good development. There are still general on /mu/, but they're a hell of a lot slower, more on-topic, and just better in general, and the ones on /r9k/ are almost entirely about masturbation. We've agreed that it's a good idea to continue BR-ing for idol-worship posts that don't pertain to music.Anybody else have any thoughts on this?
>>2881Janitor on /r9k/ reporting.I can confirm that they have been posting KPOP threads in /r9k/. They've been getting around 1 report per thread, and they are currently on their 3rd thread.
I'd like to know if anyone has anything more to say on this subject since the supposed migration of the threads (or part of their posters) to /r9k/, which didn't pan out that way exactly.>>2698This post (correctly) observes that a "K-pop general" is an on-topic thread for /mu/. It's common knowledge that there's rarely any discussion of music in them (see >>2522), but the suggestion is just "target the posters, not the threads."This assumes that are on-topic posts inside the threads that would be left if you got rid of all the off-topic.There should be some line drawn past which the "K-pop threads" are no longer considered somehow separate from the "blogposts and sexual fantasies about Korean idols" that make them up. One of the current threads, >>>/mu/47593120 (https://rbt.asia/mu/thread/47593120), doesn't even make the minimal effort to have a board-relevant OP. It's just a picture of a Korean idol and the comment "imagine doing things to this whore."It's a nearly impossible task to babysit these threads for all the off-topic and garbage quality posts in them, but they can't be deleted outright because a "K-pop general" as an entity somehow still gets a pass as on-topic. So what can be done?
To add to what >>3949 said, the k-pop general currently spawns more than half the reports in /mu/. Some of them come from regulars of the general itself, that abuse the report system. Other recurring ones are soft and hardcore porn, stripping image-sets (neither of them have anything to do with the artists) and a streaming channel.I also suspect that some of them are evading bans (besides ƒany !!iFtOCIXKJj1, a well known ban evader), but it's really hard to pinpoint the ban evaders since most of them behave in a similar way.Some even admit that they are just there to post garbage and for off-topic: https://rbt.asia/mu/thread/47593120#p47593253The general isn't well-regarded by rest of /mu/ and generates cross-board spamming (mostly on /sp/ and /tv/).I agree with what was said in >>2698. K-pop is music, but the general is composed almost entirely of stuff that isn't related to the purpose of the board. There must be something that we can do about it, fixing it will improve the quality of the board a lot.
>>3950Hear hear.
>>3950Maybe KPOP needs its own containment board at this point. KPOP posters have threads on /mu/, on /r9k/, on /hr/ (and on /vg/ to a certain extent where one or two users repost the same KPOP plastics and other off-topic discussion daily).However, why do I have the feeling that this wouldn't solve anything, I know for certain that that one KPOP poster on the Starcraft 2 general would still be shitposting even if there was a /kr/ board. His love of shitposting has no boundaries, it's his life, it's him, posting off-topic KPOP idols on a damn video game board is all he has in his pathetic life.This is no easy task.
