/co/ is currently facing a multitude of problems which need to be dealt with immediately. These issues include the constant stream of sexualized characters/porn of those characters and the topic of feminism being as troll-bait and to derail threads./co/ is hit with thinly veiled waifu threads almost constantly. These threads almost always lead porn of that character being dumped and the threads really don't serve any purpose other than creating a place for people to dump their images and talk about how much they'd like to fuck waifu x. Although moderators have commented on these threads not being allowed on /co/, users continue creating and posting in these threads as if they truly believe they are, but who can really blame them?4chan has a constant stream of users both new and old flooding in and out, and without stating certain board rules which aren't specifically stated under the website rules page, how are users supposed to know what is acceptable on a board and what is not?There is also no current rule against troll-bait topics like feminism besides the obvious rule against off-topic subject matter, but with web-comics specifically about these troll-bait topics, some users post under the guise that the subject matter is infact comics. Just as MLP was once used to troll /co/, feminism is the new hot-topic and needs to be dealt with. I would like to request a few new rules be added to the /co/ section of 4chan.org/rules.3. All feminist/gender related content (including web comics, series, and cartoons) are not to be posted on /co/. This content belongs on /lgbt/. (or /pol/?)4. Waifu/husbando threads/image dumps are not to be posted on /co/. This includes but is not limited to Caturday/muttday/"would you?"/"I want to fuck x" threads.5. Fetish threads are not to be posted on /co/. These include but are not limited to: Lesbian/gay/chubby/anthropomorphic/inflation/feet threads.(Continued...)
(...Continued)6. "What is the cartoon/comic equivalent of x anime (character)/show (character)" threads are not allowed on /co/.7. Roleplaying threads are not to be posted on /co/.8. Do not use avatars with your posts. (Already stated under Global rules #13 but needs to be mentioned for /co/ specifically)9. Digimon threads are allowed on /co/. (Already stated as allowed by Moot but almost every time a Digimon thread is created it is reported and shit-posted in for being off topic.)I would also like to request a sticky on /co/ stating that there have been rule changes on 4chan.org/rules if these rules are added.I believe that these rules would really increase the quality of /co/ and satisfy the majority of its users.Thank you. Comments, questions, concerns are very welcomed.
I pretty much agree. It's more and more difficult to find threads in which to actually discuss comics and cartoons... without them devolving into fetish shit. That said, I don't think these rules will be added, but you can certainly just BR all of those things you listed as off-topic.
>This content belongs on /lgbt/Not until they put an "F" in LGBT it doesn't. I concur with it belonging on /pol/.For the most part "off topic" will generally apply to just about everything. Digimon does seem to be a highly charged point of contention, though. I think every board seeks to have its "Naruto" (as it were).A lot of those "I want to fuck X" threads are very similar to the "Which 2hu wud u fug" on /jp/ or the "I want to cum inside [pony]" on /mlp/. Global Rule 6 them.Putting too many rules stifles creativity and discussion, but too few leads to its own set of problems. It's important to find just the right balance. But, this is why boards - like any community - are fluid, ever changing.
These are legitimate concerns, but>new rules be added to the /co/ section of 4chan.org/rulesThat would bring /co/ to 11 total rules (more than any other board), and, as previously mentioned, most of these are covered by "off-topic" already. Board rules tend to be pretty general in scope, not just "x is not allowed, y is not allowed, z is allowed," etc.IMHO it sounds like these are just specific issues that would be better addressed in a stickied mod post or something of that sort. Ideally it would just serve as a reminder that off-topic posts are not allowed and should be reported.
>better addressed in a stickied mod post or something of that sortIsn't that what /feedback/ is trying to get rid of?As for the feminism thing, this is a problem sweeping almost all the mildly popular boards. We have do have a global 3 for /pol/ garbage like that, but it is tricky when they try to wedge it into board topics. Its always going to make someone mad.>6. "What is the cartoon/comic equivalent of x anime This is a trend i've been seeing on /a/ and /v/ as well."What is the Kill la Kill of video games?""What is the Mass Effect of anime?"
Every board has problems like this, there are unique variants to the off topic content. And the answer is honestly not more rules. Sure, one extra perhaps if there's a clear need from it, but from what I see you just need to make use of the off topic button, Garbage outside of /b/ and /pol/, etc. Now, a sticky may not be a bad idea. However new rules won't make a difference in what is posted, just a different punishment.
>>3316Damn nigga why you got so many boards to janitor?Also, stickies don't do shit as far as deterring garbage from boards, only the enforcement of bans do. I agree that at its core, the problems listed on /co/ by OP can be relegated into off topic and garbage outside of /b/ or /pol/.
>>3318>Damn nigga why you got so many boards to janitor?Huh? This is irrelevant to the topic at hand. Don't derail threads.>Also, stickies don't do shit as far as deterring garbage from boards, only the enforcement of bans do.A sticky is still a good idea. It helps in getting people to report shitposting and porn dumps, as they become aware of the rules in the first place. Almost no one reads the page with rules, so a direct reminder is only beneficial to us. Having a sticky on /vp/ helped to turn the entire board against NSFW posts in such an aggressive way that most of the shitposters left the place in frustration.
>>3319>A sticky is still a good idea. It helps in getting people to report shitposting and porn dumps, as they become aware of the rules in the first place.Counterpoint: despite /tg/ having "DO NOT USE SPOILERS TO HIDE PORN OR ANY NWS CONTENT" in the sticky for over a year, users still think it is OK to post porn as long as you spoiler it.Actually, that might be DUE to that little note being over a year old. Everyone just ignores it...
>>3320Same thing with /mlp/. Even though Global Rule 5 clearly states that use of spoilers doesn't make it ok, they post it spoilered anyway.
>>3320When it comes to /tg/ some of them only wanted spoilers to hide NSFW pics.>I then asked him if he could allow Spoilers to be used as their intended purpose, which was to hide NSFW stuff underneathhttp://archive.foolz.us/tg/search/text/spoilers%20NSFW/Without the sticky the situation on /tg/ would be much, MUCH worse.>>3321/mlp/ is a special case, as many in there hate ANY rules. When the ''NSFW stuff is not allowed'' rule was made a sticky, the entire board got flooded with porn and drama.
>>3319>Huh? This is irrelevant to the topic at hand. Don't derail threads.It's a small joke mate, get over it.>A sticky is still a good ideaDebatable. If these people want to try and degrade conversations on /co/ into a feminism/gender hating circle jerk and waifu shit, they're going to do it regardless of whether or not a mod tells them not to. Of course, it can't hurt to try it out om /co/ anyway and see if it doesn't at least deter some of the bullshit. We should not forget that it's not the sticky that will stop people from breaking the rules, but rather the janitors picking up their posts and BRing them. I've seen how useless stickies are on their own merit, and a clarification of the rules doesn't suddenly make people listen to them.
>>3323>they're going to do it regardless of whether or not a mod tells them not to.Using that logic we might as well remove the page with the rules. I mean it's not like the shitposters read or care about them.You completely missed the point. The sticky is not meant for the shitposters, it's meant for the remaining 98% of users, many of whom are too lazy to check the page with rules and thus have no idea that they should report those posts instead of replying to them.>We should not forget that it's not the sticky that will stop people from breaking the rules, but rather the janitors picking up their posts and BRing them.Pic related>I've seen how useless stickies are on their own merit, and a clarification of the rules doesn't suddenly make people listen to them.I've seen the exact opposite happen on /vp/ (with the NSFW ban) and /vr/ (with the 6th gen clarification). Both boards significantly improved as the confusion and ignorance of the rules ended, with only a few stubborn shitposters left.
>>3324>The sticky is not meant for the shitposters, it's meant for the remaining 98% of users, many of whom are too lazy to check the page with rules and thus have no idea that they should report those posts instead of replying to them.OP's complaint wasn't about people not reporting these posts though. His issue is that he's unsure of what kind of topics merit what kind of ban template, and whether the addition of new rules are necessary. Most of the issues they are facing can already be relegated into offtopic/trolling and /pol/ outside of /pol/. A sticky wouldn't serve much of a purpose if the issue is just taking the shitposters by the rein. I mean, in this instance I don't think a mod post would do any harm. If the /co/ janitor thinks it's necessary for a mod to set a concrete standard as to what is/isn't allowed on /co/, then by all means. I don't feel it will change much of anything on its own.>I've seen the exact opposite happen on /vp/ (with the NSFW ban) and /vr/ (with the 6th gen clarification). Both boards significantly improved as the confusion and ignorance of the rules ended, with only a few stubborn shitposters left.Then I suppose it's entirely dependent on the board. I remember sometime back in 2010-11 when /ic/ had a sticky specifically prohibiting the posting of tablets, public ban and everything. Didn't stop the front page from being riddled with over 5 threads at once. Stickies are inherently worthless without the enforcement behind the statutes it sets. That's what I'm saying.
>>3325>Most of the issues they are facing can already be relegated into offtopic/trolling and /pol/ outside of /pol/And ''garbage outside of /b/' covered the furry porn part on /vp/. Didn't stop people believing that /vp/ is the official furry board. Adding specific new rules for /co/ and a sticky announcing them follows the exact same tactic we did to fix /vp/ >Stickies are inherently worthless without the enforcement behind the statutes it sets. That's what I'm saying. Of course they will be enforced. Nobody is talking about NOT enforcing them. I merely explained to you how beneficial stickies are for getting the rest of the board to help us enforce the rules.
>>3325>His issue is that he's unsure of what kind of topics merit what kind of ban templateNot quite. I have been able to BR for every rule breach I've encountered. Feminism - /pol/ outside of /pol/Fetish threads - Garbage outside of /b/etc, etc.As >>3326 said, specific rules have been successful on other boards.One of the main points I wanted to get across in the OP was the fact that a large percentage of users don't even realize what they're doing is against the rules, and the ones that do know what they're doing but refuse to follow the rules do so because the current rules are too vague and unspecific. I suppose these users feel like they found a loophole and are more than happy to abuse the hell out of it.In fact a while back on /q/ I saw a user who had received a 3 day ban for a fetish post on /co/ post a thread arguing that he did not break any rules and was unjustly banned.Of course I do want the moderators to look over the new rules I'm suggesting and edit them according to their own judgement, but I believe most of my suggested rules would drastically improve the board.>Stickies are inherently worthless without the enforcement behind the statutes it sets. That's what I'm saying.I completely agree, and I have been trying my damnedest to BR rule breakers and delete shit posting, but after realizing the shitposting isn't going to go away on its own, I feel like what I'm doing is ultimately useless and that the board's quality is at a standstill.
>>3325>Then I suppose it's entirely dependent on the board. I remember sometime back in 2010-11 when /ic/ had a sticky specifically prohibiting the posting of tablets, public ban and everything. Didn't stop the front page from being riddled with over 5 threads at once.I hear that, as much as /jp/ has been needing one, i'm scared to see how they'd react to a sticky nowadays.
>>3334Baby steps for /jp/ man. You guys have been trying, that's what matters.>>3333>One of the main points I wanted to get across in the OP was the fact that a large percentage of users don't even realize what they're doing is against the rules, and the ones that do know what they're doing but refuse to follow the rules do so because the current rules are too vague and unspecific. If you think that's the case, then ask for a mod post clarifying the rules. I tend to see these kind people as shitposters who already know they're breaking the rules but don't give a shit, but you're one of the janitors for the board, so I can't really disagree.>after realizing the shitposting isn't going to go away on its own, I feel like what I'm doing is ultimately uselessOur jobs aren't to get rid of shitposting, it's to curb it and keep it at a reasonable level that the board can function without being choked. Don't go into your report queue expecting to resolve a problem, just tame it. We're draining the piss out of the community pool, if you get my drift.
>>3335Yeah, it'd just be nice to have some sort of reminder to use the report system for rule breaking posts and not to respond to them. Wasn't there talk of a global announcement regarding that?
>>3336I'm still hoping for moot to write/publish that news post soon about reporting in general. I don't know if that and the overall push for reporting are still waiting on more janitors, but I'll be happy to see it when it comes. Active reporting (and even more important, accurate reporting) by the users will make everyone happier, regular users and staff alike.
I'm the new janitor for /co/, or one of them, as I think there is one other guy.I didn't see the point of starting a new thread, and I'm not sure if the OP of this one is still active.But I wanted to try and ask some questions, and maybe get some advice on the current state of /co/.As everyone is aware, comic book movies are a big thing right now. Marvel has been pumping out movies every year, TMNT is getting another live action film, and DC is putting out some shows.One issue I see constantly brought up by the users of /co/, is just how many live action threads are being made on the board. Most times it isn't too big of an issue, and I would just think that they are still free to create their own threads, and not obligated to read those threads which they don't like. But, I was wondering if anyone can kinda address at what point the live action film/tv threads belong on /tv/, and when they are ok on /co/. Maybe I am wrong, but I've noticed that the Godzilla film has been getting posted a lot on /co/, because people use the excuse of "it had a comic book, and a cartoon, 20 years ago" as a reason.The other question I had, was regarding the nature of the generals. I know generals are pretty common on all boards at this point, but with /co/ generals, just how long should they be allowed to stick around? Should they fizzle out on their own, or do we just let them continue indefinitely, long past the point of relevance? For instance, Homestuck has not been updated in over half a year, Frozen is up to almost 700 threads, for a movie that came out last year. The high majority of my reports come from these threads, and most of them are because someone insulted another person's "ship". When I end up babysitting the threads, I see that most of the discussion is about fanfiction writers, and shitposting. These things might be normal for generals, but should there be a point at which we just say "Ok, this no longer requires a general"?
>>3664>When I end up babysitting the threadsAt some point, I think you'll just give up and close your eyes on that entire mess and let HSG and /frz/ wallow in their own shit. I do not think it is possible to keep up with them. If you can, godspeed.That said, I think there's definitely a point where the shitposting needs to stop, but removing a type of thread is not really for us to decide. Users would get upset, because they manage to derive some enjoyment (somehow) from those threads, and it would be a headache for mods to deal with all the whining. As far as movies go, I can't comment on how lenient /co/ wants to be and how much leniency is going to harm /co/.
>>3671Sometimes I get tired of babysitting them, but I know that there are some people who do actually post on-topic discussion, and I'd rather make sure that /co/ remains an enjoyable experience for the people who contribute, than allow those threads to be a safe haven for funposting.As for the movies thing, I'm still at a loss for what the line is. It kinda sucks to not have the advice of someone who has been doing it a bit longer than me, but I guess if my judgment becomes an issue, someone will tell me. Unfortunately it seems like neither /co/ nor /tv/ wants a bunch of cape movie threads clogging up their boards, but at the same time, a thread where posters are using the existence of a couple of comics to discuss a film series, as a way of avoiding /tv/, seems to be a bit much.Thanks for the input though.
I just realized that Homestuck also has a general on s4s. Seeing as how 90% of HSG on /co/ is nothing but off-topic shitposting, can we just keep HSG on s4s and banish it from /co/?
>>3764that would be beneficial to /co/'s health.
>>3764>>3912That would raise the board's quality by an incredible amount...
Let's talk about one of the biggest idiots on /co/ in the past months - no, years. The damn marveldrone troll, or "dronepal" as the userbase has recently started to call him.You may remember him from classics like "Cool Viral, marvel intern" (https://archive.foolz.us/co/search/text/cool%20viral%2C%20marvel%20intern./)"You love to suck marvel cock" (https://archive.foolz.us/co/search/text/%22marvel%20cock%22/)"Butthurt marvelfag much?" (https://archive.foolz.us/co/search/text/%22Butthurt%20marvelfag%20much%22//) and, of course, the famous pics he uses without even changing the filename:https://archive.foolz.us/co/search/image/5EyZrmkx9p2C_v69qiNYug/https://archive.foolz.us/co/search/image/WlnnHSGZhB5JBCoZvU9RIA/http://archive.foolz.us/co/search/image/GMPbKZC1WRRaP5htYXaJWQ/https://archive.foolz.us/co/search/image/H67_ojfRMTEajiOKafpYDw/He's also known for the spin-offs "mods love Stan Lee's semen" and "BETTER THAN DC NIGGUHS", and for calling everyone "republicunt".Now, I don't know if it's a single person or a group of shitposters doing this, but whenever he starts spamming he keeps at it for several hours, and some mods confirmed it's the same guy across several threads.He enters every single DC or Marvel movie thread. Every single one. I've lately started keeping all the movie threads on tabs and monitoring them all at once, because he keeps popping up in them. He may be the guy who started the "marveldrone" may may, and I suspect - although I may be wrong - that he's the one who created all those Man of Murder threads months ago.In either cases, please, if you see him hunt him down IMMEDIATELY, because he does nothing but shitpost. I've been a janitor for less than a month, but he's very much worse than every other shitposter I've seen so far, and my experience of him as a user can only be defined as "worse than Hitler".Also try to delete all of his posts. It's really easy to find them, since he's always trying to start company wars.
>>3970Is he also the DC troll? ie. Why can't DC be fun like Marvel?Why does DC hate Women?etc OPs.
>>3984I don't think that's him. They show up at different times of the day and have different posting patterns. The marveldrone troll shows up in movie threads and in general in threads where people are enjoying themselves and are hyped for a marvel property (I distinctly remember seeing him in the Guardians of the Galaxy sticky), or in threads where people are talking about DC. It's 100% guaranteed that he'll show up starting to call everyone either viral or shill, and then he'll start posting complete nonsense just to anger people. He's ALWAYS on DC's side.Meanwhile, the DC grimderp troll just creates countless threads against DC and resets his IP once he gets banned. They are two of the biggest plagues afflicting /co/ right now. Combinations of words like "Butthurt marvelfag much" or "Why is DC so edgy" should grant a lifetime autoban......And nothing would change, because they've got a dynamic IP.
So we're going to disallow Homestuck Generals because they've long been nothing but an off-topic chatroom for maybe 20 users. There hasn't been any new content in at least a year, and the constant off-topic circlejerking and porn posting has been a continuing problem for moderation. 4chan isn't meant to be a chatroom where a dozen or so people who all know each other can blog about their daily lives while ostensibly talking about a dead webcomic.Now one concern is that Homestuck will update, or some new material will come out (there's a video game in the works I believe), and people are going to want to actually talk about it again. So I want to make sure that mods and janitors understand the distinction between disallowing Homestuck Generals, and disallowing talking about Homestuck at all. Its quite possible for someone to make a legit thread about a specific aspect of Homestuck (a character, a story line, whatever) which is NOT a general. This is OK; we're not saying that people can't talk about Homestuck. We're saying that this circlejerking clique has to be broken up because they're causing an inordinate amount of grief for moderation and 90% of the time they aren't actually talking about anything related to comics or cartoons.For the next week maybe, expect people to try to fight this ruling, overtly and covertly. So pay special attention to anything Homestuck related that purports not to be a general. Odds are people will just try to continue their old ways under a new label.
>>3987HALLELUIAH!
>>3987HAIL!
>>3987To defeat /hsg/, is to court death
>>3987Homestuck Generals are being posted in /r9k/ now.
>>3992It seems they didn't appreciate the fine company of the [s4s] gentlemen.
