>Advertising (all forms) is also not welcome—this includes any type of referral linking, "offers", soliciting, begging, stream threads, etc.There's some confusion regarding stream thread. For the longest time I believed that there was a blanket ban on them because, to quote one mod: "4chan is not for watching others play or draw things on streams." Then the 4chan cup happened and after some minor drama and spam they were allowed on /vg/ and /sp/ while banned everywhere else. And now, months later, it seems there are even more exceptions to the rule and it's becoming really hard to remain consistent and not look like a hypocrite in deleting one stream thread while leaving another one up, what with conflicting orders from different mods.So the question I have is: What am I supposed to look for when deciding whether a certain stream thread should be deleted or kept? When does it break the rules?
What other exceptions do you mean? Maybe there are a couple boards with such exceptions that I'm not familiar about, but I thought we were fairly consistent.
4chan cup is a cultural thing. If your boards are interested in the 4chan cup let them have a thread to organize and such. My boards could not give less of a shit, so I always wind up deleting them after a few hours. There are always exceptions to rules on this site. If it's not cup related however, your safest bet is to go ahead and hit for trying to stream.
>>3513>but I thought we were fairly consistent.If only... everyone seems to be doing a completely different thing, take for example this guy (>>3514) who thinks that 4chan cup streams are now OK despite moot saying MANY times that they should stick to /vg/ and /sp/.There's currently zero consistency in dealing with stream threads.
I think the biggest problem is that each board is different and has different overall likes and dislikes when it comes to streams. I know that the whole /vp/ getting overrun (and is still currently getting overrun) with twitch plays pokemon streams lead to an amazing amount of raiding from /s4s/ and a lot of legit threads getting nuked due to so much shitposting.But I know, on the flip side, there are movie threads, streaming threads on multiple boards and these aren't normally nuked either.To be honest, if we're going to change the rules, we'd need to do them either board-wide and make an announcement about it to explain the decision or put up specific board stickies/posts/whatnot and explain what is and isn't allowed on a case-by-case basis. Again, I think it's something we need to really discuss as a group, with moot and as many mods/janitors as possible present.
>>3515Ouch, got a bitter taste from your post, lol. All you have to do is not be retarded about it. Consider the benefits versus risks in certain things existing on the board such as the twitch stream, then act accordingly. The topic at hand isn't even an issue if you use common sense.
We should define "stream threads."The problem is that there seems to be an expectation that every thread that has anything to do with a stream must be advertising, and therefore falls under global rule 11, which we apply with no wiggle room. But that's clearly not the case, because many threads associated with live events and streams happen on various boards - game threads on /sp/, live watch threads on /a/ and /tv/, event stickies on /v/. Many threads on /vg/ center specifically around streams. All of these are live events where the thread serves as a place to comment and discuss the event, and in this day and age more and more live events are going to involve Internet streams.What's the key difference that allows these threads to be posted? From my perspective, it's the fact that they are cases where we can be certain that the people making the threads are not really advertising, because they are not the ones producing or profiting from the stream content. We know, for sure, that the OP of an /sp/ hockey thread is not an NHL sponsor or a Fox Sports PR agent. But that's just the way I see it.So, a bright-line line rule banning "stream threads" isn't good enough if the definition of "stream thread" is this unclear. Obviously it doesn't mean "any thread that has anything to do with an online stream," and we can't reduce it to "monetized streams only" since as mentioned before that's too hard to determine. So what does it mean?
>>3518On vg when the stream is relevant to the thread I usually leave it, for the most part they are.
>>3519IIRC on /vp/ it used to be a complete ban, way back when nuzlocke streams flooded the board.
If we wanted every link to every stream to be banned under all circumstances, we'd just put all the domains on autoban. I've often posted stream links myself, and have stickied threads that link to streams, and I don't think that every single stream is always bad under every possible circumstance. Often they're blatant advertising/spam, but other times they're innocent and are positive contributions to the community. A certain amount of judgement needs to be exercised.What we're trying to achieve is to prevent people from using 4chan as a means of advertising their monetized streams, and for preventing every person with a Twitch or Synctube account from spamming thread after thread of game or movie streams. We're not trying to ban every single stream link as sometimes the streams are both on-topic and entirely necessary to the discussion at hand. For instance, in a game thread on /sp/, if someone links to a stream that's fine. Ditto with someone linking to an esports tournament stream on /vg/, or a stream covering an industry announcement or event on /v/ or /a/.What's NOT ok is people starting new threads for their personal movie streams on /v/, /x/, /tv/, /co/, etc, even if those streams are in some way topical. Ditto for threads devoted to personal game streams (typcailly twitch.tv). The question you should be asking yourself is: "Is this stream being advertised for the benefit of the owner (to get ad money, view counts, subscribers, influence, etc) or is this stream simply being linked to by someone other than the owner for the purpose of adding to an existing discussion?".The blanket ban was put in place because it's difficult, or in some cases impossible, for staff to know which streams are monetized and which ones are not. It's usually pretty obvious which are which, but for cases where you're uncertain (for special events, for instance) ask a mod. I'll try to provide some guidance.Here are examples of advertising/spam streams● Streaming Kung Pow - Come watch at http://synctube.com/my_stream_site● I'm a gurl playing LoL @ twitch/sweatycleavage - Please subscribe!● Come watch the big game with us! http://joowz.spamredirect.com● GiantBomb is marathoning pokeymans for charity! Come watch with us: http://giantbomb.com/give_us_hitsHere are some which might not be advertising/spam● SHTF in Miami! Come watch the riots with us. IT'S HAPPENING! http://ustream.com/foxnews● Official Grammy's thread. Stream: http://www.zahistations.net/watch-nbc-live● The Sportsville Sports vs. The Otherville Opponents Game Thread: http://first.stream.on.google.com/dagame● eSport General: eSports Tournament Stream - http://justin.tv/official_league_streamYou'll notice in the first set of examples the streams are clearly owned by the poster, or are clearly monetized, and are not in support of a pre-existing topic of discussion. Often the aim is to get posters to go to a chatroom elsewhere, diverting users away from 4chan entirely.In the second set of examples the stream is not owned by the poster, and the topic of discussion exists independent of the stream; the stream is merely in support of the discussion. Posters are still posting on 4chan in this situation, and aren't being drawn away to another website.Again, if you are not sure whether it should be allowed or not, ask a mod. They will make the call.
>>3521>GiantBombfor the record, giantbomb is owned by CBSi and should be considered more like an esports stream: 3rd party professional content that is subject related (vidya) but the poster is pretty much 100% unaffiliated with and is only using 4chan as a vessel for discussion. in most cases the v community works to circumvent CBSi's paywall and will provide links to information on how to obtain their premium content - think /sp/ posting cookies to access NFL's online content during the last season.conceivably you could delete these links as they are probably violating copyright law if you wanted but they definitely are not advertising.otherwise i agree with all the other examples, and it's pretty easy to distinguish between someone's personal stream promotion vs professional media content relevant to the board subject. i think ">the topic of discussion exists independent of the stream; the stream is merely in support of the discussion" is a solid golden rule if people are unsure if a stream link is advertising.
