We've been seeing a lot of inappropriate use of the Global 3 - Garbage outside of /b/ template, and it's not hard to see why. The rule is a giant paragraph with all sorts of little clauses and a lot of subjectivity. So this thread should give you a better idea of the sorts of situations in which you'd use this template, and in what situations you shouldn't use it.You should use Global 3 for:1. Furry, guro, loli, and shota content on NWS boards, other than /b/. This content is allowed NOWHERE except for /b/. However, when this sort of porn being posted on work-safe boards, then it is more instructive to the user if you just use Global 5; porn is porn after all. That way they can be sure they are getting banned for the image they posted, and not some other reason.2. Troll posts and trolling. This is where the majority of the misuse of this template comes in. Just because a post in a heated discussion gets reported, it doesn't necessarily mean that the user is trolling, or that you have to do anything at all. Remember: people are allowed to argue, people are allowed to disagree, and people are allowed to have contentious opinions. Be lenient and give people the benefit of the doubt. People come to 4chan because they want to post in a relaxed and permissive environment and because of this it's natural for people to be a little abrasive and in-your-face here. This is the internet hate machine we're talking about after all; people are probably going to be jerks to one another from time to time. But if we banned everyone who was being a bit of a jerk, there'd be no one left.So try to reserve ban requests for trolling for the very worst examples of trolling, like when someone starts a new thread to insult all of the posters on the board, or to post some horribly obvious bait in a really inflamatory way, such that the board's posters can't resist replying to it. For replies to an otherwise OK thread, be very hesitant to ban request for trolling. Often when someone is losing an argument, or their butt gets a little hurt, they'll report the other person out of spite. We don't want to accidentally reward this behaviour. However, if it's clear that the only goal of the person is to derail and destroy a thread by posting a bunch of insulting and inflammatory garbage, and not to actually present their real thoughts on the topic, then you can consider ban requesting them for global 3.3. Gore or shock images/gifs. Sometimes people will post this sort of crap in threads they don't like just to ruin them for everyone else. If it's clear that the poster's goal is simply to ruin the thread, this counts as a form of trolling. An example might be someone posting a torture gif in a fetish thread on /soc/, along with comments insulting people who are posting in the thread, or perhaps posting images of dead cats in a cat thread on /an/. Of course, most gore and shock images/gifs count as NWS, so it goes without saying they should be removed from work-safe boards.4. Indecipherable text. This DOES NOT deserve a ban, merely deletion. If someone is posting with extreme overuse of texting shortcuts, abbreviations, etc, to the point of it being completely indecipherable to the average person, then all you need to do is to delete the post. The person can try again in English. I want to make it clear that we don't expect perfect Oxford English or anything of the sort; using abbreviations and common internet shortcuts is fine (mfw, tfw, lol, kek, etc), and we don't expect people to use proper spelling, punctuation, capitalization, etc, at all times. All we ask is that their posts be legible to the average person, so that's a pretty low bar. If you can understand what they're saying, leave it alone.5. Racism & /pol/ outside of /pol/. When targeting racism, you need to target the intent of the poster, and not merely the words that are being used. For instance, someone saying "aww yeah my nigger" or "fuck you nigger. asuka a shit." is not being racist, whereas someone saying "niggers are inferior and need to be exterminated" is being racist. They're both using the same word, but with very different meanings. If we wanted to target words, we'd just use a filter. We need you to use your judgement as to whether it is the poster's intent to insult, denegrate, or incite hatred or violence against a group of people. If it isn't, then leave it alone.There are also some common misuses of this template:1. Ironic shitposting. For example:A LE EPIC LE FACES OF LE REACTINGLE xDDDDDDDDDDDDDXDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDSOMPLY EEEEBBINNNNNNNNNNNNNNFUGGGGGGGINNNNGGGG XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDSSSSSSSOOOOOOOO EEEEEEEEPPPPPPPIIIBBBBBBBBBBBAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMFGOMGOGMOFMOGMOFMGOMFGGGGGGG XDDDDDDDDDDDxdddddXDDXDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDThis should be ban requested for Global 6 - Quality of Posts, not Global 3. It's a less severe ban (one day local instead of three days global), and the person can understand exactly why they were banned more easily.2. Discussions with possible socio-political nature. The phrase '/pol/ outside of /pol/' doesn't mean that people aren't allowed to discuss on-topic things that happen to have some sort of sociopolitical aspect. For instance, this rule doesn't mean people can't discuss the controversy surrounding the Sorceress in Dragon's Crown, or visible minorities in comics, or most recently Nintendo's Tomadachi Life patch and the fallout. People are going to want to discuss these things not because they are trolling, but because they are interesting current events that effect their hobbies and interests. We do not want to prevent people from having legitimate on-topic discussion just because the topics are controversial. That's censorship, and the userbase will react to any perceived censorship with extreme hostility.Please use this thread to ask any questions/post relevant discussion.
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>>4014>That way they can be sure they are getting banned for the image they posted, and not some other reason.But shouldn't Furry be banned for Garbage outside of /b/ in any case? Otherwise they'll just think that SWF furry garbage is allowed.
What does ">tfw no gf" fall under?
>>4016>SFW furryWhat is "SFW furry"?
>>4017If someone starts a >tfw no gf thread, then that's off-topic.
>>4017Global rule 8a: reminding the fat and unemployed janitors that they will never have a girlfriend.
>>4018Sorry, I meant "SFW". Like sexualized pictures which are still work-safe.
>>4021I'm having a hard time justifying banning someone from the entire site for three days for a SFW picture of a cartoon character. /co/ would be a crater-poked barren wasteland.
>>4022http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/co/image/1405/46/1405464730326.jpghttp://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/co/image/1404/77/1404771224794.pnghttp://archive.foolz.us/co/thread/53663984/#53663984I've always been told to BR for rule 3 in any case where sexualized fan-made pictures of anthropomorphic characters are posted.
>>4016Hell, isn't clothed loli/shota the same thing, really? Half the time clothed loli/shota is posted with the intent of eventually becoming straightup porn dumps, at least in my experience. Also, being a /v/ janitor, I think that while allowing socio-political discussion is all well and good, people don't make threads to discuss socio-political issues, they make them to bitch and whine about SJWs or transgenders or women or Jews or whatever boogeyman most closely fits the issue in particular. Should I be hitting those for Global 3 or allowing them? Because I honestly am not particularly keen on allowing them, as I think that permits shitposting if it's vidya-flavored enough.
/h/ has it's own BR for loli. When should that be used instead of global 3? It also doesn't have a proper off-topic BR, just one that's for "this goes in /d/, /e/, /y/ etc." based on the description.
>>4017>tfw doing it for free so often you forget how to talk to women in real life and live the rest of your life attached to policing a bunch of teenagers on an internet forum that's basically a shitty one-off of Something Awful if it were in bed Pixiv while constantly being barraged with pages worth of berating and scolding quips from said teenagers for trying to make this awful website even an iota better and they will never understand just how much of a masochist you have to be do deal with some of these autistic morans who make a living out of being an antithesis to janitors by purchasing vpns just for the sake of evading bans and continuing to shitpost with images of howling anime girls and spam about anal sex and pre-written sexual fantasies with a slime dragon from a children's game and all the while this is happening you get out of your chair, up the cellar staircase to retrieve well deserved nourishment in the form of pizza pastries while your mom comes home from work and scolds you for not having moved out of her house at the age of 30 and can't say anything back because she'll call the police and forcibly remove you from the premise and then have to climb all the way back down back at your computer desk and get ready to eat then realizing the hot pockets are still frozen and inedible in the middle.
>>4025You can use the global template if you think there's something about the post that especially deserves a global ban. Some boards have local templates that are "redundant" to the global rules (such as /vp/'s "NWS/Furry" template), which apply local bans instead of global. I suppose they're there because those boards are expected to have some manner of rule violations, which fall under those templates, which are considered more understandable just because of the kind of board it is. For example, people might assume that /d/ or /h/ is the appropriate place for loli porn because they're not aware of the rules, and their misunderstanding doesn't need the full global ban you would give somebody for spamming loli porn on /a/.That's kind of the logic behind the warning template for yaoi and yuri, too -- people mistakenly posting that kind of hentai on /h/ don't necessarily need a ban. But I do think /h/ should ALSO have an actual off-topic ban template like pretty much every other board does.
>>4024As far as /v/, this where you have to use your best judgment so as to look at the intent of the poster. As the video game industry changes, social issues become more relevant, so we can't just stamp out discussion. That said if you have >the gays are whining about tropes in vidya why can't we kill these fags>JIDF infiltrates BethesdaThat's when you can do Global 3. Again, look at their intent.
What about "The next poster is XX" types of images? I was using the garbage template due to the "off-topic replies" and "macro image replies"
>>4029I'd think a delete might be suitable enough if it's not an OP. I can't see that being worth a ban.
>>4029This >>4030When I see, "This poster is a spider" on a ban request, I'm not going to deal out a ban for that, let alone a 3 day global one. If you have someone spamming "This poster is a nigger", you can do quality of posts. Or, if you think someone is being particularly stupid, ping a mod.
About trolls and starting flame wars, if a poster starts a thread like this: https://rbt.asia/mu/thread/48320878, is he bannable under Global 3?Fedora threads are pretty common in /mu/, I just want to be sure I'm not misusing the template.
>>4035Garbage outside of /b/, quality of posts, and even off-topic cover threads like ">greentext, tips fedora." Usually they're most deserving of a quality of posts ban, if not just a delete. You can use garbage outside of /b/ if somebody starts a thread that is really toxic and over-the-top as far as flaming/trolling goes.Something to keep in mind when dealing the garbage and quality rules is that your go-to should be the delete button unless the post really makes you think, "wow, this poster needs to be kicked off the website for a day." You don't have to think of a template to BR every post you see, just deleting is often the correct choice. The worst thing that can happen is that they repost it, and then you can BR them.
Thanks for clarifying that.
I saw this was banned under garbage. Can someone explain why since I can't see why it deserved that. At most, I would've deleted it.
>>4093>>4094Examining posts like that from the ban page can be misleading and can take them out of context. It is quite possible that this user was posting numerous times and flaming the thread persistently, which may in fact mean the ban was "deserved", its just that this seemingly innocuous post was used to inform the user from many others of a similar nature. Were someone to start persistently posting in a soccer thread about how they hate the sport and the fans etc. and telling other users to go to /asp/ (which is against that boards rules by the way, as professional sports like soccer belong on /sp/, not /asp/ https://www.4chan.org/rules#asp ), i would find it quite plausible that said user got banned for violating global 3 if they had prior form and a past history of doing this. As janitors, you only have access to the report queue, and cannot see all the posts a user has made. I think with this in mind, its not entirely fair to go second guessing the actions of moderators from single posts on the ban page like this. It would be incorrect to discuss individual bans on this board as well. If you have any inquires to make regarding a specific ban request (or a ban page you've seen), id recommend using irc and doing so via PM with a moderator.
>>4093>>4095Oh and btw, Im assuming you arent referring to the global 3 - dubs/get ban post I can see on there for /sp/, because that would be an obvious error as that post isnt a dubs/get post.
>>4023Yes; this is different than just posting a normal image of a cartoon character.
>>4095>>4096I certainly didn't intend any disrespect; I was just looking for clarification. If someone makes one post, telling someone to go to /asp/, I just normally delete it. If they do keep it up, I indeed do BR.
>>4098This rule covers a lot of ground and is open to interpretation, if you need clarification relating to specific users/boards and/or bans, please contact a mod via irc.
>>4098>>4093I'll reply since I was the mod who issued the ban.WBCF (Worlds Biggest Cowboys Fan) is a troll who likes to shitpost in threads of sports he doesn't like (usually European sports). He had done this in other threads that day so the extensiveness earned him a GR3 ban.No disrespect taken, it is only through discussing these things open and honestly that we can get a better understanding of what is correct.>If someone makes one post, telling someone to go to /asp/, I just normally delete it. If they do keep it up, I indeed do BR.Your instincts are correct here, I would continue to follow them. As always, PM a mod if you don't understand or would like to see examples of specific infractions or deciding between using "off topic" and GR3
