1. /e/ and /c/ content on /a/ should be deleted, nsfw ban requested.2. Drawthreads are fine, as long as they do not follow a template format3. Buythreads are fine, as long as they do not follow a template format4. Sadpanda threads should be deleted5. Request threads should be deleted and/or warn requested6. DJT is not allowed on /a/7. Blogging and general shitposting should be deleted or ban requested8. Loli threads should be on topic, otherwise deleted.9. Generals are not allowed and should be deleted.As covered in this thread >>5736 → here are the guidelines to follow considering the quality of posts in general:1. Please focus on producing original discussion, questions, or content when creating or contributing to a thread; avoid template formats and “X Thread”-type posts. OPs should be insightful and specific, not general.2. Please avoid reposting content from previous threads. This includes: resource pastebins, copypasta, forcing memes, image dumping, “xth for y”, “reminder x” and anything that fails to abide by #1.3. Feel free to talk about similar content in separate threads.4. Allow a thread to expire naturally.5. Please avoid recurring thread topics that are not accompanied by content to discussFeel free to make any suggestions or comments in this thread. Please keep your comments concise and to the point, as some of you (you know who you are) like to write mini essays. Thanks for your continued efforts to improve the quality of /a/. Please feel free to send me a message on irc (kami`) if you have any questions.
(Repost for new thread)Implementation of such measures would be greatly facilitated by some common points of agreement between multiple /a/ janis as well as the mods. I'll put some thoughts on this here but it's all up for discussion/cross pollination as I seek common ground between ourselves on when/how to act.>1.) /e/ and /c/ contentTo me, a thread qualifying for delete/move here has a pattern of earmarks:a.) The OP is not trying to talk about specific series, genres/motifs or industry stuff. One or more of the following subjects is stated somewhere in the OP (title or text body) - feet, ass, boob/dfc, traps, tomboys, gyarus, dom, brown girls, christmas cakes, imoutos/oneesans. E.G "Imouto thread", "draw a boy, call it a girl", "would you a tomboy" etc. These should be obvious indicators, but, some threads won't have them yet clearly are (or became) /e/ / /c/ dumps. Very likely delete.b.) If it isn't obvious enough from the above, if it's otherwise a dump then also delete. To me for example, if at a glance much more than half of some thread comprises blank text fapbaits keeping with that OP's stated theme, it's a dump. Sometimes, such threads will have people posing semi-aimless/rhetorical questions or making flat statements alongside the images they're dumping, but if it's just this and no actual topical conversation going, then it's also a thread delete.c.) It is on the other hand definitely possible (not super common, just possible) for a stale dump thread to turn into something interesting and get a topical conversation going. Sometimes a dumper will stop and the users will pick up the thread and make something of it. That's fine, I would likely leave it up it it's obvious that the thread is now topical. Perhaps due to inherently not being interested in board-relevant specifics, it is very common for dump threads to contain lots of blogging, so be sure a conversation is truly topical; if not then do BR the bloggers before deleting thread.>cont.
>>5890Are we deleting /ia/ - idol activities threads?
>cont.>2. DrawthreadsThese seem to already have shapen up to not have such circlejerk-y OPs. Main thing is the usual watching out for shitposting at the artists, inciting drama about who gets deliveries, and bringing in offsite drama (all BR'ed on-sight).>3. Buythreads (buyfag)They insist on having a guide in the OPs of these threads. We indeed can delete threads just on what's in the OPs until they change that, but that's only going skin-deep into trying to adjust these particular threads for better benefit to the board. In my opinion buyfag threads could be handled differently than other threads up for review chiefly because they do not overlap much in the same categories of issues that series-specific threads have.Some users in buyfag strike me as more of /toy/ or /jp/ type at heart in their zeal over sculpts/posing/paint jobs, and are more out to just buy anything that looks pretty enough even if they didn't watch/read/play the source material, which I find to be out of line with what such a thread should/could be like on /a/ and more /toy/-type rationale. The threads also sometimes have a meta of intolerance towards certain things that are in reality totally valid subjects (particularly figma/nendoroids); users could be encouraged to permit a broader spectrum of sub-topics to make the threads more porous to broader board participation. /a/ can and should have standards in /a/-related merchandise, but that shouldn't dominate so hard that it excludes other avenues of merchandise discussion in those threads.This is also one of the spots on /a/ where people sometimes bring in objectively not-/a/-related things - merchandise from VNs, games etc that have no /a/ connection. Perhaps they can be redirected to /jp/ buyfag threads? Lastly there should be a real putting-our-foot-down motion against psuedo-blogging that can pop up in these threads - unboxing spam (multiple pics), "my friends/family say/think ______" , i.e no look-at-me type stuff.
>>5895Aikatsu and Precure both as a rule of thumb have got series airing year-round. They are near-permanent fixtures on /a/ for a legit reason the past couple years; it is just unusual that airing shows have such longevity to give them such presence. Same goes for Yu Gi Oh. Whatever any series is, if it's got board-relevant new content coming out often (and you can't get much faster than weekly), I would be hard-pressed to rationalize removing the threads for it without it sounding like a personal vendetta against them.
>>5897At the same time though, measures to make the threads less stale and circlejerk-oriented can't hurt. Basically you would have to be an expert in the threads and identify spammy/resposty posts made more to bump the thread and br them for spam, however mods would need to have a heads-up that you're personally weeding the threads by hand because the threads are kind of impossible to kill for any good reason.
>>5890>1. /e/ and /c/ content on /a/ should be deleted, nsfw ban requested.Maybe it's me, but NSFW for /c/ as well? I feel like it's more just off-topic.>5. Request threads should be deleted and/or warn requested>7. Blogging and general shitposting should be deleted or ban requestedLol shouldn't have this been common sense before.
>>5899>Maybe it's me, but NSFW for /c/ as well? I feel like it's more just off-topic.I think he meant that SFW /e/ and /c/ content should be deleted but not BRd, and that NSFW content should be BRd.This is just clarification. A lot of this is common sense stuff (since we obviously have a BR template for NSFW) but it's outlined here clearly simply so that there's a comprehensive list of guidelines to follow for clarity's sake.
>>5900Ah OK that makes a lot more sense, and now that you mention it I see the wording.
>if theres something that exists outside the rules or guidelines, you can use your brains to think about whether its good or notGuess what? Sometimes people use their brains and don't come to the exact same fucking conclusion that you do! That's why they ask fucking questions - so they can make sure that they're on the same page as you are.>if that triggers your autism, then you're free to goIf you want to revoke my permissions (or tell someone to revoke my permissions, I don't know if you have that bit) go ahead and do it. I'm not going to resign because you were a cunt to me over IRC.>we've had plenty of jannies who behaved this wayDid what? Asked too many questions when they didn't understand shit? 了解しました、I'll just stop trying to learn what you actually want and use my obviously miniscule pea-brain to figure exactly what goes and what doesn't, or ignore / invent fanciful personal justifications when I see something that looks like an inconsistency.
>>5890There have been plenty of Kancolle threads on /a/ lately where they talk about the doujinshi some of which is lewd but without posting lewds. Then they start talking about their favourite ships and even sometimes about actual battleships. I believe these threads are more meant to be on /jp/ instead of /a/ as there isn't much in the content of anime nor is there an official manga for it. Kinda like Touhou, the hype is due to the doujins and fanart.
>>5919The joke here is the /jp/ kancolle threads are hyper-focused on the video game itself and rarely talk about doujinshi.
>>5920So are we then just going to go an continue deleting them randomly?
>>5922That's often what's done with threads whose topics belong elsewhere. Eventually the posters will move to /jp/ on their own (whether as a separate general thread focused on characters / fanart / doujinshi, or simply by folding themselves into the existing one) or just stop trying to make threads.It's not out of the question that the threads could simply be moved by a mod but that's liable to have complications of its own.
>>5923We've been sporadically deleting the worst offenders when it comes to kancolle for years now and it hasn't affected them. If a thread goes poof, a new one appears a few minutes later with a slightly more "hey let's pretend we're on-topic" OP. The actual content of the threads never changes or becomes more on-topic and they clearly have no intention of leaving just from some sporadic bullying.If I recall, they got a bit of a pass when we first started implementing these new guidelines because a new movie had just come out in theaters (which, if you check the archives, they never had any interest in discussing even when it was new). They're only on /a/ in their current form under the pretext that doujin material is /a/-related even if the franchise itself is not. If sadpanda threads are something that we're not allowing, then the present kancolle threads on /a/ should be subject to the same unilateral standard. Nothing short of solidarity is going to provoke them to move or change in any way.
>>>/a/152506985Little Witch Academia Producer coming to do a Q&A on Wednesday 25th at 18:00 JST That's 4am 4chan time Wednesday morning if I'm reading this chart right.
What do you guys find to be the worse threads with the most shitposting on /a/? For me I believe it'sWaifu Draw threads (not drawthreads)JojoGirls und PanzerKancolleand lately Little witch academiaKind of curious as to what you guys think and how you deal with them
>>5940Man that's the time I usually log in on Wednesdays. Kinda feeling the heat already
>>5941Objectively Madoka due to evaders. The issue is to me less thread-specific and more of tactics some intentionally bad apples bring into multiple series. Generally anything by KyoAni or SHAFT can expect to be shitposted pretty hard. No one even bothers trying to get 3-gatsu threads going on /a/ anymore, in good part because some people spam the same literal meme complaints against SHAFT endlessly. Studio wars = console wars to some.Something else obvious right now is anyone trying to force any show as reddit; that's association fallacy. People calling Konosuba and LWA reddit, for example, are doing nothing to actually talk about the shows. They are just tagging on "this show sucks because I'm implying you're reddit if you like it", which is fallacious and can be arbitrarily tagged onto any series to try to divide-and-conquer a unified audience on /a/.Other points of contention flaring up all the time frequently include yuri vs. het ad hominem shitposting which, sometimes, can dominate entire series. Again this avoids real discussion in favor of casting wide shitposting nets at nebulous sub-groups of the board. We do not seem to have guidelines when to acting on this frequent derailing tactic, even though it can easily wreck threads and is again divide-and-conquer.Also, somewhat (but not always) related to the above trend, are the occasional shipping wars forced out of series that simply are not romance-heavy. When a series has romance, it's totally understandable and I have no issue there, but when people take series that just don't have romance in them and are allowed to endlessly get into intense arguments about whatever fanon pairings in their heads work best, then that is how we wind up with situations like ACK in Madoka. Nobody engaging in this kind of bickering will ever be vindicated because the series won't ever go there. It's carte blanche to endlessly derail threads for people who actually wanted to directly discuss the series aka low quality.
>>5940Found two TRG_TATTUN trips on /a/ today >>>/a/152585777Not sure what's going on here
>>5943Nail right on the head.I'll just add that most of these are common tactics employed when an individual or small group wish to derail a thread into shitposting for one reason or another. In most cases it's just forcing a false contention for the sake of it. People will buy into it if they want to shitpost since it gives them legitimacy in shitposting (or at least it does as long as we don't act on it).Shipping, however, has become a more serious and endemic issue in the last few years. It's one of the topics general threads and threads for long-running series tend towards because it provides a perpetual contention to argue over, but it also generates low-quality discussion almost exclusively and is largely unbeholden to the actual series or its content beyond having character designs to project onto. Once it takes hold and becomes the norm in the threads of a show, there's really no saving it.
Yesterday I noticed some pepes that were cleared on /a/ and from what I know, board rule 1 on /a/ is that most pictures have to be anime related.Board culture on /a/ also dictates that no frogs on /a/ is a general policy which is why the get reported all the time regardless of content. So I would like to make sure that we are all on the same page here that pepe is a definite no on /a/.Finally I want to ask, I generally ban request them as off topic, but should I issue out warnings instead?
>>5962I typically just put a warn request under global 6 because the post in question is garbage even without the frog image attached. I don't think posting a crossboard reaction image is deserving of a 3-day ban on its own.
>>5963I think it's just my disgust for pepe.
>>5964I would only BR if they are pepe spamming or trying to troll/trigger/shitpost.
>>5962Can a mod confirm this, even if Pepe is only used as a reaction image?
>>5963I don't br for pepes, I just del the image. I touched on this specifically in my orientation and it seems fine to do.If the image happens to be attached to a post that could be global 6 or 3, which is coincidentally quite often, then on taking action on this post the image will go away anyway.
>>5962If its not too bad, just delete pepes. Warn request at your discretion. Ban request if they are being cancerous. Same goes with other crossboard memes or reaction images.Regarding kancolle, since some of you guys have said that its fallen off in terms of relevance, feel free to delete threads unless they're on topic.
Ok regarding the Keit-Ai spammer who's just being annoying. I have a slight something that might do something. What if when he's being reported by jannies for evading he's given a temp 15 minute ban and with each executive ban evading report it adds another 15 minutes? The reason I'm suggesting this is because I notice that he continues to post after a few minutes even after I've reported him. Maybe even a few times after that. There are times where I've had to report him 4 or 5 times. Or should I just continue to PM a mod everytime I see him?
At what point should hentai related discussion threads be deleted? I see hentaifu threads and doujin related threads daily that other janis don't delete. Most of the content I don't see too fitting on /h/, /e/, etc. but I'm just curious if this stuff has a place on /a/.
>>5995As long as the doujin threads aren't lewd I don't think there's a problem. I do remember one of the mods saying that hentaifu threads are to be deleted though. I just follow the rule that if it's not anime nor manga and it's NWS then either report or delete depending on the severity. Most /a/nons still don't know the line between NWS manga and anime and NWS doujins and fan art.
Can we talk about OPT for a bit?There are some people in that general who are aggressively spoonfeeding, looking up sources to spoonfeed saucefags, posting sources to unsourced images even without anyone asking them to, replying to deleted sauce posts, linking to the archived version of the thread to point out deleted posts, etc.When the campaign to "straighten up" generals started a couple of months ago, the mod posted that guidelines post in a bunch of them, telling them to behave or there will be consequences.Would it be possible for something like that to happen to OPT as well? A mod post telling people to behave and/or a couple of public bans for the worst offenders?
>>5999I usually just warn those who ask for the source. However I'm not that keen on warning those that provide sources even when not asked as I think that they lessen the posts asking for the sources.
>>5999Those users (if it's even more than one) are just doing it to spite the overzealous moderation with regards to spoonfeeding.If someone wants to identify sources even when none are asked, that's their prerogative. There's technically no rule against it so unless it's obviously disruptive spam or breaking some other rule, there's no real reason for intervention.Now, since it's a pretty much daily recurring thread and that whole "post an unsourced image -> receive source" paradigm is happening constantly, perhaps there should be a discussion with the mods about whether OPT really belongs on /a/ as opposed to /wsr/ in its current state.
>>5995Hentai related discussion belongs on /h/.Also, waifu threads and similar off topic content should not be tolerated. It's increasingly becoming a way to erp 24/7.>>5999Let them be if they're not breaking rules. If in some time they become more chaotic, they'll have dug their own grave and we can enforce the rules more clearly.
There has been a fair bit of chatter over the past few days about the huge reduction in bitrate of Crunchyroll's streams. I noticed today while at work (I don't hotpocket there) that a thread about this was left up, which predictably descended into an utter hurricane of shitposting/evaders/spam. This went on for hours, during which someone came and removed the spam/evaders, but not the thread, which proceeded to get probably (counting deleted posts) >800-900 posts by the time it expired, almost none of that being productive dialogue. If anyone spots an utter garbage fire of a thread like that, can we agree to please not be shy about getting rid of it? Leaving them festering for hours I feel damages the board, and doubtless to me hurts peoples' trust in us and our capacity/willingness to help.I want to be on the same page with everyone, that talking about the internal matters of board-relevant websites, outside of directly-board-relevant content is in fact cross-site meta hence by nature off-topic. Talking about CR (Crunchyroll) / MAL (MyAnimeList) on /a/ is hence in the same vein as for example, /v/ gossiping about whatever is going on on NeoGAF while not at all talking about games. I understand that this event does impact a lot of sources that /a/ uses to get its shows, but rationally it is still off topic and naturally off-topic threads can incite needless furor much more easily than topical ones.I've observed many times, in the bans list page, threads about MAL/CR (even occasional pub bans), so it seems clear enough that most of us are consensus on this already. I just want to emphasize it due to current events what counts/should be recognized as cross-site off-topic. While I'm at it, it seems we also agree that ANN (Anime News Network) OPs are topical, if they contain as implied, actual news about anime/manga (for example announcement of a new series). Discussion of forums/people there etc is still off-topic.
Another FYI, the youtube-personality (technically, e-celeb wannabe) 3DCG character, Kizuna Ai (pic related) is objectively not /a/. Technically it would be a /jp/ thing.
>>6040Already a thread chugging along on /jp/ and it's basically just arguing that it doesn't belong on /jp/, shilling/advertising, and talking about the porn.Still better than the 3D idol threads I guess.
>>6041>it's basically just arguing that it doesn't belong on /jp/, shilling/advertising, and talking about the porn.If you read the thread all the way through that's not actually a significant portion of the thread in terms of discussion over time. Well, I guess you could count the entirety of the thread as shilling/advertising for a virtual entity whose sole job is to get an advertising gigs, but in that case it can't be helped.
>>5970>Regarding kancolle, since some of you guys have said that its fallen off in terms of relevance, feel free to delete threads unless they're on topic.Any chance of having a policy like this applied to Madoka threads too? Sure, if there's some new content or information coming out, or someone who only recently watched it for the first time and wants to talk about it makes a thread, that's fine, but like 99.99998% of all Madoka threads these days are basically just a couple of assholes baiting an insane ban evader by posting images that upset him. And if he's to be believed, they're even organizing and gloating about it on some discord channel.
>>6067Sometimes I wonder if he's just one guy posting as the baiter and the baited at the same time. That being said, I wouldn't just go and delete the threads out of the blue.
>>6067>>6068Yeah, I've brought this up on occasion and mods are aware of these things. Trouble is, it's far harder to justify doing things about those bait-pics standalone rather than the obvious spam walls from that other side of the coin. Pre-emptively banning someone because they posted something that might trigger an evader would be, in effect, playing straight into the other guy's hands.However, it is indeed clear that someone seems to post these things just because they know that it'll induce a spam wall. Once he shows up they just keep responding to him with blankposts of more images to trigger him further etc; it's no accident. Still though, because this comes down to a select few individuals that we can't tell apart, it logically should be up to mods' discretion on differentiating between them and the bystanders.
22:12:23 ‹@kami`› hey yea, this is more of a rolling convo I guess so just fill in other janitors when they're around22:12:47 ‹@kami`› the general idea so far seems to be to have a sticky with the guidelines we have22:13:29 ‹@kami`› and then make the sticky open for discussion22:14:22 ‹@kami`› but we wanna enforce our stance on generals. if theres a series airing or whatever then thats fine as long as they adhere to the guidelines22:14:59 ‹@kami`› but for /e/ and stuff thats not airing or has little content, we should move them to /trash/22:16:39 ‹@kami`› theres obviously going to be some repeat offenders which we should mainly target, but those rare or semi-rare threads for old content that get posted (like hidamari sketch for example) should be fine as long as they're not a daily sort of thing
>>6071If there isn't a time we're all supposed to be online at once for an actual discussion, I think there should be. Campaigns need buy-in in order to succeed because once people lose steam the whole thing peters out.I never really bought into the campaign, but I was willing to go along with it up until I realized that nobody else was actually spearheading this campaign and went back to my usual task of hammering rule violations.
Hey guys, picking up where we left off, the main objective of that recent meeting was that we're not doing enough on OP's #9 - generals. Given that it's a tangle defining them and what merits what, I a.) defined categories here >>6084 and b.) have some suggestions. First, to review that other post I made, it seems that people variably consider "general" to include:- Scheduled threads - once every week or two: wednesday waifu, miuna monday, "it's time" etc- Season-based generals - no recent content, in a few cases very periodic content- Non-seasonal generals (evergreen) - functionally permanent due to a constant trickle of new content (weekly or biweekly etc). I nickname these "evergreen" since they just do their thing year-round ignoring the seasons.I have some ideas that would cover all three above general types - some might sound a bit minimal, but it would still be more than what we're currently doing for quality control for many gens:>Quality of posts (Global 6) for anything encouraging a thread migration: crosslinks, "previous thread"/"new thread" with any crosslinks, saying "bump" >Quality of posts any of the above + saying "edition" or "general" in thread OPs. It doesn't matter if this kills a large thread because of a crap OP; if they are clearly an unambiguously warned that they'll get deleted for that, it's up to them whether or not they want to suicide their threads with bad OPs.>Generals have a tendency to get chummy with local users. Referring to each other locally as a clique = warned as off-topic, ban as off-topic for inciting any drama/thread derail for whatever drama shit. Remind people to report anything off-topic for being intra-thread chatrooming rather than discussing OP's topic.>Threads should be periodically audited for problem spots. Every major gen could have a profile of known repetitive-spammy posts, people forcing certain topics daily (all br for spam), evader tip-offs etc. Share relevant info here for everyone to track.
>>6087Shit, that gray is harder to read than I thought. Anyway I'm also aware that some mods have suggested that we implement removing gens for series that have no recent relevant content. I would propose a two-part solution on time limits, for which something can (or not) merit as many threads as it wants in any format:If there are still daily threads for a subject for over 6 months (which is generous, maybe 3?) after an anime has finished airing or a manga concluded, and there isn't anything obvious to push it along (manga/LN translations etc), then that title will be up for review by us.Upon entering review, that series then needs to prove its general-status validity by having something new within the past two weeks (or month?) to discuss. "Something new" denotes a new manga chapter, anime/ova, chapter or LN translation etc. A new movie grants a month (maybe two months?) time since that's several episodes worth.---> If a title doesn't have anything new at all for over two weeks and still has a 24/7 general, harsher scrutiny is applied and threads will be deleted at the drop of a hat for off-topic circlejerking, image dumping, aimless fawning over characters etc. Don't get me wrong, people can still do all those things about any series, just never as a 24/7 general. In other words a thread for (random old series) >2 days old can't be killed for being a "general" when it clearly wasn't one of the known ones. Older series threads that clearly show no design or intent of being a general shouldn't be removed.---> How do we delineate between allowing any discussion or kill-on-sight? Thread creation date. If it's past the two-week mark in review and over a day old, someone judges it and deems it worthy or not. Valid, topical discussion with genuine intent may be respected and buy it an extra day to wrap up, the other things would not.---> This entire time at any point, the basic standards of this thread's OP + anything considered doable from >>6087 apply.
>>6088So to tl;dr this all ->any topic that was at one point popular enough to make a general has 6 months to die off naturally. >if it doesn't die off on its own by then, then it must have something new ~every 2 weeks to merit its 24/7 status.>if it fails to have something new, then it can maybe be deleted for having empty fluff forcing its existence; if we can see plentiful actual discussion maybe it can stay day-by-day until that peters out; exercise discretion/common sense. >obviously, old series that weren't generals don't apply to this stuff, only a select list of series that have obvious 24/7 or near 24/7 presence apply. this applies retroactively on /a/, so things like Muv Luv are up for serious review but things like One Piece or Precure naturally pass like we already allow.
I don't want to be that guy but please remember that no frogs/pepes on /a/ is a thing that the /a/ community generally follows. /a/nons don't consider themselves elitist for no reason.
It's been some time now that nyaa died and /a/ has mostly moved on. I was told that the progress on /a/ temporary sticky and rules enforcement announcement was temporarily halted because mods didn't want to publish it in the middle of that situation. Is it going to continue soon?Since this thread was made, many of the things banned by >>5890 have come back - e.g. buyfag threads once again follow the template format - https://desuarchive.org/_/search/boards/a.desu.meta/text/buyfag.moe/type/op/ - and no one seems to be doing anything about it. I haven't been doing anything about it either since I've been waiting for this new happening to happen, and if I start doing it now, it would just cause a confusion on the board. Should I just ignore the "consequences" and try to strictly enforce the rules and guidelines set in this OP, or wait a bit longer?
Oh, and I'd like to add one more thing.Some "generals" on /a/, like LWA, have an annoying habit of making a new thread as soon as the old one reaches bump limit and linking the new thread to the old thread. It's not unique to LWA, it also happens in, say, Kemono Friends and Dragonball Super threads, but I've been noticing it the most in LWA threads.I started deleting these new threads that are made before the old one reaches page 10 and issuing warning requests for backlinking after a mod told me I can do that, but I'm just one person and I can't be online 24/7 so what happens is that they just keep ignoring it and making new threads at ~500 posts and if I'm online and delete their threads they wait until it reaches page 10, but if I'm not online and don't delete their threads they just keep making new ones at ~500. If it's not too much of a problem for you, do you guys mind occasionally checking out these threads to see if they're making new ones at ~500 posts? Or should I start PMing mods and beg them to start banning the people doing this? I'm pretty sure it's just one person making 99.99% of these threads anyways.
>>6131There are a multitude of questionably repetitive patterns/behaviors that I see with various generals around the board that I think quality control measures could easily be applied to, but I'm more or less waiting on the word of mods on what to do and when. Basically I just think to myself "soon" when I see some of the things you're describing; I think may of us want to do more in this arena, but really the board ought to first know that a new plan is in motion before we just go on an ad-lib spree of action-taking.
>>6087I agree with your assessment. I also wonder if we could just let things like Miuna Monday and Yuyuesday slide, but set them to auto-sage at the end of their particular weekday. I've seen Yuyuesday threads that made it to the weekend because of the slow bumps. Not my call to make but just my own feeling based on some of them being fairly innocuous. >>6088I think another criterion you can use for assessing ongoing generals is the extent that they become chatroomy. Kemono Friends for example still has constant threads but I'd argue they're not bad because people are still discussing the broader cultural phenomenon, other things related to the IP, and there's still such a massive amount of fan interest around the show that people keep sharing new fan creations. The conversation is about as lively and topical as other currently airing series. As long as that persists I don't see why you'd want to crack down on it as being a "general," since people are still discussing the series and the IP more broadly.
>>6193We'll see if KF threads are any good in a few months. 6 months+ with no new relevant content (such as episodes, chapter releases etc) is a learned estimate for how long it takes something to go bad on /a/. So if there is nothing really new to talk about by this September, take a serious look at the thread and tell me if it is as good as you remember now or has gone bad. Already, they have decayed a little imo, but they are still plenty good, and there is also the common sentiment that people would rather keep talking about this show than things in current-season, for similar reasons that someone would rather eat leftovers of a favored food a few times night after night than voluntarily stop and eat something new but much-less-enjoyable. Even so though, that favored leftovers will get moldy eventually."Bad" here I might define as:- the threads feel forced and are often bumped just to keep them alive with fluff posts- the users are there more obviously to keep each other company than to discuss the topic- there is very little direct discussion on the series, quite often just dumping as fan arts are usually the only new thing to share at all- if anyone were to watch the threads for a few days or weeks, repetitive posting patterns would begin to appear; this is hardly ever a good thingBecause the title is super-grassroots, there may be an unusual wave of fan-created content, so it does not look to take the usual general-route an ended animu/mango does. However there isn't a -complete- deluge of this material outside art that I've perceived - in theory it's ultra fantastic for there to be an OC-nurturing fandom on the board, but it has to prove its merit. I don't think the threads would be good if say, in X months it's "some guy is making a little fan game for it thus we can have this thread 24/7 on that pretense even though we don't talk about that fanmade content whatsoever", but that's just my playing-by-ear.
>>6194Yeah, I agree with everything you just said. So far what's keeping the threads from going bad is the speculation about season 2, the many as-yet-unexplained elements of the series, and so on. I think there will come a time when the axe needs to come down on the show but it may just die of natural causes.I remember when WIXOSS (the original one) was finished airing, the steady threads continued for quite a while until they just sort of tapered off, and nobody had to come in and put a stop to them or anything. Yuuki Yuuna had a similar thing, and got down to just having occasional threads. I think that's what we'll likely see with KF since it's similar (highly popular anime original with a great deal of secondary material).
I think in general it is a much better idea to try to stop threads from going bad (or even to fix threads that have already gotten bad) than to put them down after they do. To sum up some comments that I've made in other places: - Focusing on the OP will always seem sort of inane to me because the vast majority of problems don't have any real explicit connection to the format of the OP. Fundamentally a Kemono Friends thread that says "Kemono Friends thread" will not be very different from a Kemono Friends thread with a specific question in the OP because around 99% of the thread will still end up being about Kemono Friends in general.- Declaring that we will get rid of general threads or want to ban all general threads is stupid. It just is. For better or for worse, the way a good chunk of seasonal discussion works right now on /a/ is that any given series gets one recurring thread encompassing all discussion of the series that gets remade continuously until the season is over plus some months. Trying to decide on a point at which they magically transform into general threads and need to be put down will appear fairly arbitrary.- If we can focus on the fixing the content of general threads and communicate clearly to users what our expectations are, in a way that can get broad approval from both anons who like general threads and anons who don't like general threads, the campaign is much more likely to be a success than if we just go wading into threads with riot gear trying to beat down every user making posts we consider crap.It's been said that actually policing the content of general threads is extremely difficult, but I don't think it is an intractable task. With that in mind I have some specific recommendations that I think may go a long way in mitigating some of the less than ideal behavior that goes on in general threaeds (which I'm going to put into a second post since I don't think they will fit into this one.)
>>6199One of the problems with policing general threads up until now has been that is that the tools we have to combat mediocre posting are fairly blunt. We can use ban requests for rules 1, 3, or 6, but these are not particularly informative messages, especially to users who feel that they have been singled out while doing nothing wrong. In my assessment, specific templates and a brief communication would do more to communicate the standard more clearly and effectively than a hundred ordinary rule six warn requests would. For example:"Threads about a series should primarily consist of discussion of the series and series-related content, not other users or other communities.""Users in recurring threads should not engage in cliquish behavior or attempt to shut down discussion by reference to past discussions or to pastebins."There are users who may feel there is absolutely nothing wrong with criticizing the posting of others, or pointing out that something has been discussed to death already. There is probably some merit to these claims. Simply having these warn templates available, though, would allow us to go after some of the more egregious outliers in a way that affords us more discretion than trying to use rule six for everything.I haven't mentioned one big hallmark of general threads we'd like to get rid of and doesn't fall into either of the above categories, which is inane and repetitive posting. My two cents on that topic will probably wait for some later time. Any sort of unified campaign involving general threads will need to involve all issues, but in my mind these are independent problems which can be considered to have their own causes and their own possible solutions.
