ごきげんよう /a/, the moderation team has come up with a few guidelines to improve your experience on /a/ and encourage people to lurk moar, etc. This will only be stickied temporarily.Please avoid making threads in “general” or “template” formats. Avoid chaining threads, copy-pasting OPs, backlinks, and the like. Avoid redirecting all discussion of a series to a single thread. Users are free to discuss similar content in separate threads as long as threads are not being spammed.As commonly recurring threads tend to suffer from degradation of quality over time, posts inside such threads may be held to higher standards in terms of rules 6 (Quality of Posts) and 9 (Reposting). Threads in /a/ should be primarily based on anime/manga discussion. Consider using either >>>/e/, >>>/y/, >>>/c/ or >>>/cm/ for image sharing threads, and >>>/bant/ or >>>/trash/ for generals which have long since exhausted all fresh discussion. Mods will be more proactive in moving or removing threads when deemed necessary.Discussion should be centered on series and characters, not the posters or communities that discuss said series and characters. Aim for original discussion or content, both when creating OPs and posting inside threads, and allow threads to die naturally. Request threads belong on >>>/r/ or >>>/wsr/, and “spoonfeeding” is not encouraged as that degrades the point/validity of using those other boards. Lurk and learn, rather than demand chores from the board.Threads which are /a/ related but have no clear alternative forms (such as buyfag/drawfag) are allowed as long as they follow these guidelines.thanks!
Just wanted to see what the post would look like in condensed format, don't mind me.===ごきげんよう /a/, the moderation team has come up with a few guidelines to improve your experience on /a/ and encourage people to lurk moar, etc. This will only be stickied temporarily.- Please avoid making threads in “general” or “template” formats. Avoid chaining threads, copy-pasting OPs, backlinks, and the like.- Avoid redirecting all discussion of a series to a single thread. Users are free to discuss similar content in separate threads as long as threads are not being spammed.- As commonly recurring threads tend to suffer from degradation of quality over time, posts inside such threads may be held to higher standards in terms of rules 6 (Quality of Posts) and 9 (Reposting). - Threads in /a/ should be primarily based on anime/manga discussion. Consider using either >>>/e/, >>>/y/, >>>/c/ or >>>/cm/ for image sharing threads, and >>>/bant/ or >>>/trash/ for generals which have long since exhausted all fresh discussion. Mods will be more proactive in moving or removing threads when deemed necessary.- Discussion should be centered on series and characters, not the posters or communities that discuss said series and characters. - Aim for original discussion or content, both when creating OPs and posting inside threads, and allow threads to die naturally. - Request threads belong on >>>/r/ or >>>/wsr/, and “spoonfeeding” is not encouraged as that degrades the point/validity of using those other boards. Lurk and learn, rather than demand chores from the board.- Threads which are /a/ related but have no clear alternative forms (such as buyfag/drawfag) are allowed as long as they follow these guidelines.thanks!
>>6279>>6278>9 (Reposting)Should be 10.
>>6280Oh yes, that's an important note.Also I'm uncertain about what the pic should be; I was fine with the "no molly coddling" kino one. In my opinion, one of the myriad "consider the following" macros would be pretty ideal for this, but there are tons of other options too.
>>6281Gonna post one or two more OP image suggestions that IMO match this well. Also as shown in >>6279 the formatting of the post could maybe be tweaked. As it stands, there are no bullet points denoting these as individual suggestions; at least a hyphen before each one would maybe help. If it's assumed everyone could see it maybe a or a → next to each one would work too.
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>>6282me too
I'd choose something like Azumanga; universally appealing, no controversy, appealing to old-hat users, and inconspicuous enough not to detract from any message.
>>6286
>>6281I clicked on this thread because of LoGH, so here's some LoGH as a suggestion.
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>>6290
Sticky is up.I temporarily propose that in the next few hours or half day, that we allow users in generals (or rather, the very original threads they make that are not generals but still contain general series discussion) to do unlimited metadiscussion so that all general thread users - who may not see the sticky for another 16 or 24 hours - will be made fully aware of the sticky and its contents.Some of them won't like it or will complain about mods being retards. In my opinion this doesn't really matter - most generals are vaguely aware that they're shit and will take their medicine like good children, and after the grace period expires they'll have to put up with it anyway.
So to review things so far, the "everything went better than expected" response is nice/a relief, but may indicate that we're not pushing the envelope hard enough. Objectively, basically all the generals that were around before the sticky still exist. People in them don't seem to be even entertaining alternative approaches to using the board outside their collectively-sanctioned generals.What I see a lot so far is that a.) general is del'ed ---> b.) a minute later the users just remake the thread ---> c.) they treat it as merely a faster-than-expected successor to the axed progenitor. They don't branch out, they don't let the new one expire naturally and will milk it for the next day+ just like the old general. Threads may start off with some modicum of attempting to avoid routine patterns, but give way 12-14+ hours later into old habits. The board has noticed this and has said as much numerous times now, "nothing's really changed". In reality the generals are shrugging this off and I've seen some people in them already (rather boldly) say "just wait a week and this will stop". Many already don't take the sticky seriously. One can beat around the bush and try to throw theoretical roadblocks in the way over semantics in definitions, but if you really use /a/, you KNOW what the generals are. We should all do what must be done for the betterment of the place. Sacrifices must be made, personal whims of "but I like that one" ignored.
>>6294I know this is not a democracy, but that position was not the dominant one when we took our informal survey. I would actually prefer a new board to attempting to ban all non-seasonal recurring threads and subcommunities from 4chan.The solution to "it'll all be back to normal in a week" is to keep doing work a week from now. If there's a real problem here is that users have figured out that they can discuss any aspect in a series in a thread even if it's for one aspect of the series, and that makes it hard to differentiate "content" discussion from inanely rehashed crap. What makes it hard to actually keep threads from returning to their natural state is that we have no ban template for "rule 6 specifically in recurring threads" and the off-topic ban only extends to people not talking about anime/manga entirely. It doesn't even extend to invading (say) a One Piece thread with Boruto discussion. You have to use the garbage/trolling template for that one. But even then you can still walk up to these threads and level all the inane shitposting when it's not actually release day.
>>6294At least with Kemono Friends threads the empty OPs are gone and the threads are trying to stay on specific topics. I see that as a good faith effort to increase the standard of discussion.Of the two active Kemono Friends threads, both have a central topic and neither are full of "no raping Shoebill" posts and so on.If the objective was to get /a/ to stop talking about Kemono Friends then obviously it's a let-down, but I think this is already a big improvement.It goes to show that just having a stated topic in the OP itself helps to keep a thread focused because so many people will reply to the OP itself instead of jumping into whatever ongoing conversation there is.>>>/a/161418945>>>/a/161419240However you're still seeing some off-topic replies, such as people just posting a KF-related image without any context or meaning. I don't know how exactly you deal with that kind of idiosyncratic posting behavior. At least it's starting to subside.I'm cautiously optimistic about the results of the sticky so far.
okay now for the next big project: /a/ janitors write a manga. Hard mode no isekai
>>6316A user falls in love with a website.Unable to confess, they are gifted by a deus ex machina with a hot pocket.
>>6317The hotpocket however holds a supernatural power that may change the balance of the world. The user then proceeds to eat it with a glass of milk.
>>6318I prefer homemade hotpockets.
Hey guys, mods have agreed that these threads should conform to the guidelines the same way as buy/draw threads. This means that you should either come up with original OPs and/or break up into subthreads as you see fit.By the way, we've also agreed that radio/music stream threads are not allowed. Once-a-month official mogra streams are OK but try to stick to the guidelines too. Thanks.
I have an idea to propose. As it stands, OPT is responsible for a lot of GR6 posting in the form of sauce and spoonfeeding. But anons are pretty attached to that thread and I generally think it's a neat idea, just one that doesn't quite fit /a/ due to it being basically a recommendation hub. However it doesn't seem like people are really bothered by OPT, it's generally enjoyed by the people posting there.My suggestion is this: OPT should be a /wsr/ thread. We should move them there and suggest people post them there. I personally think OPT fits very well with the spirit of /wsr/ and it has the potential to be a really good recurring thread on that board. It may even cause a bit more traffic on that board from /a/ regulars which would be beneficial since one point of that board is to give /a/ a place to sauce & spoonfeed.What do you think?
Friendly reminder that no frogs belong on /a/
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>>6326I brought up the same concern about those threads many months ago (maybe a year now even); I think that either a mod could clarify in the threads that series titles should be included with the picture filenames (so that people don't keep playing games by withholding them), or they just go to /wsr/. OPT kind of fence-sits in that it's a place where people share things unsolicited, which arguably serves a fruitful function useful to improving the horizons/scope of manga knowledge on the board, but this could also be somewhat construed as a redundant function with /wsr/. Alternatively, one could argue that putting OPT in /wsr/ is an answer in search of a question as people aren't directly asking for recs in OPT (and get noticed by us if they do). Given that OPT's been mostly-fine the past year+, I think we could just be vigilant for specific people looking to artificially stir the thread up into an issue.
>>6332OPT is legit one of my favorites just for how absurd pages can be taken out of context, but it's true that usually leads to people wanting MORE context thus "sauce? where is this from? name?" will always be an issue unless it's somewhere in the filename.
>>6332OPT threads are great in my opinion as you can get a laugh out of some pages. I just keep warning those who ask for sauce though.
I feel that the banning of the Sakura fish poster is a bad decision. It's part of /a/ culture and has been so for years. Banning it just seems like the mods don't care for board culture.
>>6353Banning Sakurafish is a grievance I wish to air too. Other shit like Yui Clause I'm fine with getting rid of but Sakurafish has been here for so long untouched that I think it needs to be exempt.
>>6353>>6354But if it was board culture, doesn't that mean that we liked it? And since we liked it doesn't that mean Sakurafish's mission was a success?
>>6354Whether you Sakurafish earned his first ban or not, after evading your ban you are automatically persona non grata on 4chan forever and I'm not sure one of those has ever been reversed.
>>6360whether you think*third time's the charm
Is there any idea on how to deal with Pingu threads? I have like three live ones at this very moment.
>>6362I've deleted people posting shit about MAL in them but otherwise left the threads alone, because it is done by Polygon Pictures.
>>6363>>6362I've been wondering about this one too, and I think that it's slightly (but not completely) a reverse Neo Yokio - that one was entirely Western in creator origin and they wanted to borrow the anime look/also do some spoofing with it, say as if Perfect Hair Forever was produced by a hired anime studio.Pingu is also a fundamentally Western property, but as far as I can tell was made first and foremost for Japan (this iteration in question is entirely Japanese in production and isn't aired in its native UK). For /co/ to have to watch a show made in Japan as subtitle-only undoubtedly would bring up questions. It's not like Pingu as a property is a big deal that just "feels" inexorably native /co/ (i.e like asking where should PPGZ be). If they demand to talk about Pingu/Pingas there anyway we could discuss it more, but at the moment it seems fine on /a/ (not like it's being taken super-seriously here to begin with).So, basically I think we're going by intention of audience for these ambiguous shows as the basic rubric.
Someone mentioned an "/a/ all-hands" in #janiteam. I think it's not a bad idea. However, due to the nature of time zones, it can't be evening for everyone. I think we have the least people in Australia, the Pacific, and Central Asia.>10 AM - California || 1 PM - New York || 6 PM - Germany || 2 AM - Japan || 7 AM - Hawaii>8 AM - Japan || 1 PM - Hawaii || 4 PM - California || 7 PM - New York || 1 AM - GermanyIt was only brought up in #janiteam as an idle thought, so none of this might happen at all, but I started thinking through the time zones so there it is. +/- 2 hours on all of these is still okay. Just throwing it out there.
>>6367I was thinking that we can try to map our available-to-talk hours to GMT instead of try to pick apart time zones and see where we overlap, for example (me):On weekdays, when I'm active, I'm on at GMT:Earliest: 1-2AMAverage: 3-5AMLatest: 5-7+AMI'm off at:Earliest: 7AMAverage: 8-10AMLatest: 10AM-11PMSome people are inevitably, near-permanently harder to reach because timezones, but maybe there could be two potential meeting times depending on which time group they're closer to.
>>6368This sounds a little hard to manage. Maybe we can just start crossing shit out that doesn't work until we get to a time everyone can agree on or we reach an incompatibility. In any case, right now assuming we want you to show up, the meeting has to be held between 1 AM and 11 AM GMT. I can work with anything in that range, but the tail end is shitty.Current options: 1 AM - 11 AM GMT.PSA: If there are hours here that don't work for you, restrict this range.
It's best to discuss on a Saturday when most people aren't working
The state of Kemono Friends in /a/ is dumb because users think there is a soft ban on the series. In ACTUALITY this is not the case, because what is ACTUALLY happening is that we are carefully monitoring OPs to make sure they satisfy the criteria we laid out for generals. Except, of course, for the part where inconsistent enforcement has taught users that it doesn't actually matter what you put in the OP, and the only thing that matters is "which mod is online." This is not true, but it doesn't really matter: if users think something is soft-banned it may as well be soft-banned.And we're all perfectly fucking overjoyed with this state of affairs, right? We couldn't force through a "topic ban", so we just deleted arbitrary random shit until users thought there was a topic ban and left. Flawless victory against general threads (despite the fact that EVERY fucking seasonal show above a certain popularity gets general threads, and the recurring monthlies too.)There is some sort of hideous fucking irony in the fact that one chapter of a manga means you can have threads for an entire fucking month, but some of the biggest news about a series all year hits and the threads get put on hiatus not even 24 fucking hours later.PS: calling recurring threads "reddit" is fucking stupid. They were around before Reddit. In fact, they were around before 4chan. Stop calling everything you don't like Reddit.
I keep sleeping through these discussions. I do want to follow up on something, though.>the fact that theyre trying to move the threads to /jp/ pisses me off something fierce>because this is exactly what happened to monstergirl threads, and have you SEEN those on /jp/ latelyAre you SERIOUSLY blaming USERS for that? This was the fault of moderation policy. Period. Whoever was running /a/ at the time picked up an entire community made of erotic fan fiction and dumped it into /jp/ and then banned everyone who complained that it was shit quality and unwanted and not /jp/ on top of that. I was banned myself when the thread was first moved for pointing out that ERP is garbage that does not belong in /jp/ even when you've turned the other party into an alp first.Those threads were shit when /jp/ got them and they were shit because whoever was running /a/ at the time had already let them go to shit. And after they were moved, everyone who pointed out they were shit was banned, forever enshrining in board policy that MGG has special dispensation to be arbitrarily shit. I dare you to find any Kemono Friends thread that was even half so awful as MGG was when it was first gifted to /jp/.It disgusts me that someone would gift /jp/ a shit thread and then blame /jp/ for the thread still being shit three years later and then use it as proof of fucking anything.
>>6375I agree with much of what you say. I've long been of the opinion that we are being extremely unfair in our handling of Kemono Friends threads. Moderators like to point out low thread quality as the justification, but even threads with perfectly fine quality are routinely deleted either by moderators or janitors, so the users are simply under the impression that the quality of their discussion has no bearing on whether threads are allowed or not.What's really happening, in my opinion, is that threads are simply drawing a greater degree of scrutiny from the moderation team, and I think the reason is that some of us have decided that the topic itself has expired and people should no longer be discussing it. My problem with this is that there is no rule in /a/ saying that you are only allowed to discuss anime for a certain period of time after it's done airing.I believe "generals" are generally bad BECAUSE they normally signify a diminution in quality of discussion. But when there is no such diminution, and the threads are still a combination of topical conversation and innocuous commentary about which girls are cute and which ones have nice foreheads and which ones you'd like to cuddle with (which has always been fine on /a/), then I wish we'd be honest about the real reason that we're raising the bar on conversation in those threads.Mods may point to the high amount of meta posting, but I only really see meta posting in those threads when there is some mod intervention which causes confusion among the posters, and I think it's understandable that people would post things like "why are we on permasage?" when they are genuinely trying to discuss some /a/-related topic.Anyways, tl;dr I think if the reason generals are bad is because the threads go to shit, then that itself proves that we don't need to change our standard when dealing with them.
Here is an example of what I think is a perfectly fine thread.>>>/a/163589686The thread OP is specific. There is actually discussion of the OP topic throughout the thread. Tangential discussion pertaining to the anime still takes place (such as someone posting asking "what is the appeal of this show anyways" or someone posting saying "I'm watching this for the first time and this is my impression"). In my opinion people keep wanting to discuss this show for a few reasons.1. The show is extremely popular.2. Many fans of the series have a high level of attachment to it and the characters in it.3. There are controversial circumstances surrounding the show's creation and a lot of anxiety among fans pertaining to the future of the IP.4. The show is, by nature, mysterious which engenders a great degree of speculation and interest in lore.I think these are the things driving the high level of conversation both on 4chan and on other parts of the web (such as our Japanese cousin websites) which keep the topic alive. While some of us find it annoying that so many people are so invested in this topic, I don't think any of these things I listed are forbidden in specie from discussion on /a/.
>>6381>163491970 - Technically off-topicWhat is the board in which these threads would be on-topic? It SEEMS to me like it'd be either /a/ or /jp/, but maybe the actual correct place for a thread discussing a Nicovideo livestream covering the memorial of an adopted mascot of a collaborative anime promotional event is /an/ or something. I hope someone can explain that the reasoning behind that one very slowly.
>>6381I wonder if anons realize that these threads are being deleted more or less entirely on the basis of their OP. If they knew that the requirement was some kind of stated topic in addition to just the name of a show that they want to discuss, they would probably be glad to oblige. But even so, what is our threshold? If I started a thread saying "I would like to discuss Made in Abyss, what did you all think of it?" then would that pass the litmus test of an acceptable OP? Or is the standard higher than that? I think OPs like these are fine, personally: >>>/a/163633847>>>/a/163629484 >>>/a/163606198 >>>/a/163633265 >>>/a/163611857>>>/a/163628461
>>6383>Or is the standard higher than that? It's pretty obvious right now that there is a unique standard being set for Kemono Friends in particular. I reviewed the catalog in full earlier today and around half (and even if you're being charitable, at least a third) of threads in /a/ would fail the Kemono Friends standard of review based on "debatable quality", "contentless OP, "template thread" or something along those lines if it were applied across the board.Even if you accept the principle that "stale series" and "non-stale series" should be held to different standards (though at this point it's basically just "KF" versus "not-KF"), users haven't been informed of this. Users make threads according to the prevailing standards they see around them, not some mythical standard where every OP is insightful and all the replies are carefully thought-out. Pointing out that a lot of the Kemono Friends OPs are not great doesn't mean shit when the OPs relating to most other series also fail en masse.(The response to this is sometimes "well delete those other bad threads too" but I'm pretty sure if I actually followed through on this advice and deleted all the non-quality threads I'd be sacked for depopulating /a/ to prove a point. It's not useful advice.)
>>6384Setting aside for a moment the perceived fairness of singling out Kemono Friends threads, it's hard to argue with results. Posters in those threads seem to be making an effort to raise the bar of quality because they know they're on thin ice. It's refreshing to see. If the objective was to get rid of the "generals" mentality then that seems to be working in some sense. Either that or someone has been doing a good job of deleting the trash posts in the thread I'm looking at right now.
>>6385>Posters in those threads seem to be making an effort to raise the bar of quality because they know they're on thin ice. It's refreshing to see.There is really nothing wrong with a bunch of posters posting minmi or some other dumb meme in a thread as long as it doesn't reach the point where it stifles actual discussion or dominate the thread. Posters being scared to enjoy themselves or say what everyone is thinking because they're living in fear is not what I consider "refreshing." One user compared the behavior of posters to that of animals who cringe at everything after having been beaten.Even if you think that threads should be ruled through fear, I maintain that it's still unreasonable to impose unique standards on individual series about which they have not been properly informed. TECHNICALLY they were informed via a modpost but thanks to spectacularly mismanaged communication, zero users seem to know what the standard is anymore. This isn't just the usual lack of transparency which I accept is often necessary to keep the site running. This is a case of users having been explicitly mislead and having no idea what is going on. Even at this very moment I, a member of the 4chan janitorial staff and privy to all the conversations that have been going on in #janiteam, don't know if I can make a thread about the upcoming Kemono Pavilion game with Kemono Friends in the subject line or if somebody will come along and can it for being "technically off-topic.">Setting aside for a moment the perceived fairness of singling out Kemono Friends threadsUsers who expect fair treatment and don't get it (even if they're not actually entitled to it in any way) will get frustrated and understandably so. Posters felt like one series was being singled out for uniquely harsh treatment because it was. I suppose the fact that SnK was added to the shitlist yesterday means that this standard is at long last going to start being rolled out across the entire board.
On the topic of persecution of Kemono Friends threads, is there some particular reason this thread was permasaged?>>163688083I mean, you guys are the moderators. You obviously make the rules and you get to determine how the janitors carry out the rules. If you have decided that Kemono Friends gets special treatment now, then we'll have to abide by that. But you keep telling us that it isn't. And then things like this happen. How are we supposed to interpret that?
>>6389>163688083Me in charge of linking threads.>>>/a/163688083
So I missed a conversation about KF earlier today, but feel I that I could at least comment on it a bit for posterity's sake. To start, I'm going to quote myself back here >>6294>One can beat around the bush and try to throw theoretical roadblocks in the way over semantics in definitions, but if you really use /a/, you KNOW what the generals are. We should all do what must be done for the betterment of the place. Sacrifices must be made, personal whims of "but I like that one" ignored.I'm also going to re-quote myself from back in June, as I had foreseen. https://sys.4chan.org/j/thread/5890#q6194>We'll see if KF threads are any good in a few months. 6 months+ with no new relevant content (such as episodes, chapter releases etc) is a learned estimate for how long it takes something to go bad on /a/.>"Bad" here I might define as:> - the threads feel forced and are often bumped just to keep them alive with fluff posts> - the users are there more obviously to keep each other company than to discuss the topic> - there is very little direct discussion on the series, quite often just dumping as fan arts are usually the only new thing to share at all> - if anyone were to watch the threads for a few days or weeks, repetitive posting patterns would begin to appear; this is hardly ever a good thingWhat we have today hits "threads feel forced", "bumped to keep alive with fluff posts" and "users are there more to keep each other company" type things. So if I were to pretend to score an average thread with this, they're about half-bad now. There is (massively to their benefit) sometimes a lot of actual, dense discussion; people are NOT done actually-talking about this yet. I predicted extra fan material keeping this afloat on /a/, but rather what we got was extra real content by the producer in so-called 12.1, various ads that were ~ "12.2" and so on. This is incredibly abnormal for the usual patterns of what we normally see in this medium. (Continued)
>>6391These unusual patterns stoking extra interest from actually-legit new content, coming down in a tantalizing trail of crumbs months down the line, kept reminding people that yes this is here and yes it's great. I had seen it said more than a few times that during Spring/Summer anime people were still far more excited about KF than anything during those new seasons, marveling at the zany serendipity that they collectively felt.Furthermore, just when threads were starting to finally feel like they're aging (the amount of discussion piqued from the Nissin ad compared to the race track ad seemed to indicate diminishing returns), the fateful Tatsuki shitstorm happened, which throws the whole future of the series in doubt. The threads went from being on a relaxed and natural-feeling path of senescence into an instant crisis mode that still lingers in the background. It's still going on, still not resolved. This situation has gone from being light and zany to a gripping, terrifying drama on a speed+scale unique in /a/'s history.I'd analogize the threads to being in an ER waiting room unsure what's going to happen to a loved one behind the doors. Naturally, emotions running high may be channeled into any person interfering with the guy in the waiting room, including manifesting as anger. This is why people in the threads feel so offended when they're acted on and feel it as righteous to protest. On our part, it's a matter of being conscientious of the situation vs our zeal to make good on publicly-announced plans. As acknowledged, it's difficult. I have mixed feelings myself re-reading my own posts from back in time, all but naïve of what was to really come. This situation has polarized between schools of thought and approach like no problem that I had thought that we might face together; the twist in fate has bucked what ARE careful and sensible plans. Let's be aware that it's a natural trap for emotions, and to not let those emotions get the better of us.
I got mentioned in the KF conversation so here are my 2 cents.Very coincidentally, I saw that thread (https://boards.4chan.org/a/thread/163688083) in the report queue when it was about 30-40 posts in.I like/am actually curious about Ibis-chan so I went in, however, 2/3 of the posts were about KF in general. My feeling on that matter is that the fandom could have created another thread(s) for the other kind of KF discussion. (2 KF threads, yay!)However, that is clearly unattainable short of allowing communication|throwing all the other posts into another thread|effort in creating another thread.It's the love for a topic that makes people try to continue the conversation and I don't necessary see it as a bad thing. Everyone here is after all doing work for free, for the things they love. Also, at this point, there isn't much circle jerking or in-thread bitchfights for KF threads. Would it be better to engage and allow the janitors who like the series/topic more to direct the flow of the subject.
Should we by any chance introduce a new rule for /a/ stating no generals? Just a thought really
There is literally nothing wrong with general threads.
>>6399I'd rather have a board just dedicated to Dragon Ball. The threads are getting cancerous as fuck and I'm starting to believe that we'll need some Dragon Ball thread expert janitors for them.
>>6463I've spent enough time banning shitposters in them that I know the terminology by heart, despite not watching anything beyond Z back in middle school.Some alternative place of discussion should be offered to DBSfags like /bant/ maybe, so they can have their stupid meme spam on there, but still have on-topic discussion on /a/. It's filled with phone posters who hop IPs the second they see the fifteen-minute block, so banning them is like fighting a hurricane.
So I just want to ask and give my two cents. I saw this small thread before it was moved to /qa/ but aren't we getting a bit carried away with the "follow the rules" stuff here? I know the rules are there for a reason, but a clean 4chan isn't 4chan. Might as well call it a very rude and somewhat irregular reddit. I know you may say that I'm just spouting out "Muh board culture" but I can also say that you're just spouting out "Muh rules". If we keep going in this direction with trying to keep /a/ in as clean a state as possible, sooner or later then you'll have people posting lewd things about Yotsuba or even 4 leaf lover and the mods say that it's ok with "No nudity shown"/"It's in a nsfw board"I believe that this is a slippery slope that we're treading on. These things aren't necessary evils, they're just the small quirks that make this site that I love the site that it is and I don't want these things to be removed for such reasons. I didn't become a janny to clean up /a/, I became a janny to make sure /a/ doesn't crumble from the inside. 4chan isn't a place that's perfect, and the harder you try to make it perfect, the more of this site that you will lose.
>>6479This is my feeling as well.
>>6479I've never been crazy about those threads but there are some similar kinds of threads that only crop up once in a while which I don't think are really a problem (things like "post an anime without posting it," "badly describe an anime and people try to guess what it is," "write an anime plot, hard mode: no isekai" and etc). They tend to be kind of shitty threads and a lot of the time it's just people posting without reading the thread. But I never thought of them as much of a nuisance just because they are so infrequent. Some people no doubt enjoy them.Some such threads I like and some I don't. I've always thought 3x3 threads were annoying but I just ignore them. I'll usually post in those "write an anime plot" ones and so on. Never cared for the "draw your waifu in paint" ones but I'll admit I've participated once or twice, and I agree they're fairly harmless.This is just my feeling as a fellow janitor. Ultimately it's up to the moderators whether this is another "crackdown" they want to start enforcing, but I'm generally in favour of lighter moderation.
Forced studio wars shit is becoming notably rampant between Kyoani/Trigger right now; it could get much worse when Fate/Extra starts later this month. Let's not fail the board by failing to pave the way for real discussion.Closely check VEG threads in particular + any threads forcing VEG vs Franxx for hyperbolic language / pet-naming type terminology. The actual Franxx threads tend to be, for now, mostly free of shitposty studio/fanbase wars stuff, but VEG is just completely engulfed by it quite often to the point that threads are near-useless with no real discussion about the show itself. It's clear that there's an organized effort against that show, but it could spread out to others and drag down the board quality dramatically if we don't curb this hard and now.
>>6511Spring mini-update: some people are trying hard to force conflict between /a/ and /u/ using various new shows, key factor is even if there's nothing much /u/ about a show, they keep bringing it up in super-baity us vs them ways. That's all off-topic. So far, this is going on in Uma Musume, Comic Girls and for some reason has retroactively dragged the remaining Yuru Camp threads into it.
With the huge number of Darling in the Franxx threads that keep popping up. I'd like to just ask if something should be done about them as they are a hot bed for shitposting.
>>6641I welcome it; we were in need of an anime everyone watches and posts about. However, I would strike down hard on individual shitposts in the threads.
The key to curing generals on /a/ would be disabling the subject field and deleting all threads with the anime/manga's name in the OP. Discuss.
>>6680Banning the name from the OP would make it much harder for people to talk about a specific show, even if they were trying to follow the rules. And it wouldn't do anything to curtail low effort templates.
>>6680People would just put the name of the show in the text field then, which would still be searchable from catalog.
>>6681In the past the title was never in the OP and people had no problem. The closest thing was for example>[HorribleSubs] Steins;Gate - 14 [720p].mkvor whatever on release day. I remember during some shitstorm moot changed the subject field to "no one uses this". It's just recently that people are using it to encourage a massive general culture by helping people find the new, continued thread, using techniques far more effective than linking it in the old thread.
Why /a/6 does nothing to address the generalfaggotry issue.
>>6680There will always be ways to signal what the general is meant to be about. The problem is that the catalog encourages the format, and there's no way to get rid of the catalog at this point.
Battle shounen fanbase warring has become an extremely bad problem. Looking at the queue, almost half of all posts reported are about this, with around another entire fourth of the queue being other low-quality posts from the same threads. Can anything be done about this? /a/ has always had a lot of arguments being at the forefront of discussion, but most of these are comprised of catchphrases and memes like "SEETHING" and "ohnonono", which I feel is very uncharacteristic of the image /a/nons have always wanted to present.
>>6783I'd call what you're specifically referring to as template shitposts, things that people just nonchalantly spit out in various permutations multiple times daily, for weeks/months/years. It's spammy in that context, and in another could be seen as off-topic for derailing threads into being about other local posters rather than about the intended subjects.It feels like there are some shows on /a/ that you literally cannot have a decent calm discussion about, because people inevitably start bringing in some other show or lumping up anyone who likes it as whatever studio fan etc. Or they just make threads looking to pick a fight and force issues where none existed before. To this day it's very hard to have a an earnest talk about VEG or Sora Yori on /a/ because of shitposting that happened half a year ago now, it sticks in collective memory.Trying to incite cross-fanbase wars and destabilizing entire series is a kind of emotional manipulation. We've seen this time and time again where someone seems to be trying to make what were neutral or even previously-friendly fandoms turn on and spar each other, but here it should be noted that it's not a seasonal flare that'll mostly go out in a few weeks, it's now going on with long-running series that don't have defined ending points, so that tension is fated to only get worse and worse as long as it's allowed to run rampant, unless something is done. I'd be interested to see what mods would prescribe.
>>6788Also I remember a while back, there was a conflict on /a/ between several long-running shonen, the Big 3 war or whatever you'd want to call it, which was mostly really about Bleach vs One Piece but also involved Naruto and several other things all at once. It eventually spiraled out of control into spam and board-wide meltdown and if I recall correctly required a major crackdown, modpostings about it, the works. Will history repeat itself? Or can we do something about it this time since we clearly see the signs?
>>6783I believe in the past we categorized fanbase wars under G3 but you'd want to double check that with a mod.Long-term threads tend to decline in quality as posting in them becomes habitual, but there's not much we can do about it if it's /a/-related and airing/publicized regularly. Just hit low quality and garbage posts for what they are.We could probably be tackling these sorts of threads more efficiently with a little more coordination.
Greetings. Fall season is intense (traffic up 30-40% day-to-day at the moment) and has started off with a bang: Goblin Slayer threads keep bringing in off-topic stuff like crazy, and many threads pretty much start off as some kind of bait directly from the OP. I've seen a huge surge of related shitposting coming in with that tide and someone's got to say something. This easily requires special focus from us for the time being, at least until it calms down, which should be within a month depending on the pace of the adaptation.At least IMO, beyond just going post-by-post within threads, some of these particularly off-topic-leaning GS threads are expendable. There's a huge surplus of threads for this show as it is + we could encourage people to try actually talking about it instead of using it as some allegory/soapbox, of which it factually was -never- modeled as such originally. Ongoing melodrama happening on other websites/forums (of which there is much related to this show) also does not comprise anime discussion and shouldn't be the focus of threads about it.
I posted this in the chat around a month ago but didn't get much of a mod response from it. There was a fair bit of /a/ janitor discussion regarding this with most of us wanting to see something be done about this issue.Generals on boards like /tv/ (GoT in the off-season, Alita) and /co/ (RWBY, Zootopia, Steven Universe) have had their generals shunted long before they reached the point seen in DBS General. The discussion in the thread boils down to all-caps spam of words/catchphrases most of the time. Originally when I asked, I was told that it could last a bit longer due to the dub not having aired yet. The dub is now over so I'd like to bring this up again.It will not be very easy cleaning it up if something is decided to be done about it, but that is why something should be done now. Due to the fact that it has been allowed to sit there for this long, the general has developed a very "rebellious" culture. There are specific users in it that have the ability to alternate IPs within a few seconds and have spammed in the past using this ability. If it's allowed to sit here for like another year, it will become that much worse. I can imagine it becoming like /kspg/ eventually.
DBS general is so bad I can't even describe itI honestly don't know what can be done about themaside from just straight up naruto banning them from /a/not like that'd go over wellthey're terrible but if they start leaking into other places that'd be the real problemdragon ball z and gt threads were always baddragon ball itself had some ok threadsbut all the movies and stuff have always been bad tooit's also likely though that it could just be a small handful of retarded spammers ruining it for the rest of themwith how autistic some of /a/ can be they might not even be people who watch the show and just want them off the boardbut whatever the case, in the current state it has no purpose being on /a/
>>7206they're consistently like this?
>>7207Not always, but it's getting more and more frequent that the threads are not attempting to discuss anything at all for a lot of the time; this is outright atrophy of a thread we're seeing. Something should be done.
>>7206We've had issues with dbs threads for years.The way to deal with spam is to br it, same as in this case. Banning dbs from /a/ is not the appropriate solution, and naruto isn't banned either, so I'm not sure why that's given as an example
>>7207It's pretty consistent, yes. You can pull any DBS thread out of the archive and see pages of the same thing being posted every thread, people creating drama about other posters, and pure shitposting. Moderating the thread is a test of patience because they don't report posts in their own general.>>7209Out of curiosity I opened up the most recently archived DBS general (pic unrelated) and counted posts until I got sick of it. I ended up with 32 on-topic posts, 20 things that get posted every thread, and 16 report-worthy off-topic posts. I don't think we have the kind of manpower we'd need to moderate DBS, much less the other generals.
I don't think most of us would want DBS banned. We want /dbs/ banned, or, more aptly stated, to have their general be discontinued.
>>7235How do you suggest we go about doing that?
>>7237Most generals do in fact break up once an attempt is made to disperse them, especially if there isn't an incentive to make new threads because of something like weekly material. We'd have to keep on top of it and notify mods when they're trying to restart the general, but it can be done. I've seen generals like Alita on /tv/ dispersing so neatly, despite their insistence on keeping their thread going. They were told to stop circlejerking, they were moved to /trash/, and then they basically died off altogether within a day's time. There's also the Qanon thread on /pol/, which was basically an entire political movement, that was killed.Today in chat, I saw the comparison of the monstergirl thread being an example of a general on /a/ that didn't have enough new content and was having daily threads. I don't know how DBS is any better. There were multiple monstergirl manga running when that happened, compared to the one DBS manga that is currently running (monthly), and DBS definitely fits the criteria of making multiple useless threads per day. By that standard, DBS should be treated the same, unless there is some bias existing for DBS and not other series. DBSfags don't even like the manga, I'm pretty sure. All the discussion in the thread (when there is discussion) is related to the anime, which is long over, even when counting the Broly movie.I don't know why so many people are against chucking the DBS general over onto /trash/ like so many other generals have had done to them. The one monthly manga is not a reason to have twenty threads a day spamming four-year-old level babble.Works Cited:https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/150161306/#150162444This was all even before /a/6 so this was targeted solely for being a general.
>>7239Fair enough, I will forward it to other mods and see what they think.Part of the reason why I think there is some resistance to the idea of moving it temporarily to /trash/ is that it would probably cause some substantial blowback which other boards would happily jump on. This is what differentiates DBS from other topics like the ones you've mentioned.Hopefully I can be proved wrong and there won't be spam.
>>7241What type of blowback should we be concerned about?
>>7239The decision is that we're not going to move the threads to /trash/. Please deal with the shitposting off-topic posts as normal. Thanks!
>>7235I'm okay with DBS threads.Moving them to another board will just kill the general.
There is a long-standing issue; I've asked about it in private before but never got any answers, so just have to bring it up here - someone's been arbitrarily removing/stifling threads for the franchise Strike Witches on /a/, beyond what seems justified by the rules, for years now. If they're not deleted outright, they're insta-archived, seemingly to quietly do away with them. I'm guessing that the explanation would be "because it's a general" ; however that refers to its status on /a/ a decade ago - this series has not had the ability to sustain any threads at all for years, precisely because it's been killed/archived pretty much on-sight. It isn't a general anymore, if it isn't allowed to sustain any threads in the first place. It was even having threads for a recent spinoff anime removed during its airing time last year, and there are more series planned next year. There would be no rationale in pre-emptively acting against those.There are other series that were well-known generals in the past next to the old SW threads (im@s, hidamari etc), which also had their generals done away with back then - but, these others are today allowed to have occasional non-general threads about their series, and there does not seem to be an issue or interference there - it's only this one. Strike Witches has had three anime seasons, a movie, various manga etc and is a large, very well-established franchise in Japan; let me be crystal-clear that there utterly is no valid reason to bar it from /a/. Yet, it appears to be. It's an open secret on the board, and people are not happy about it and haven't been for a long time.https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/199862264/https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/198847422https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/196476153/(etc I'd easily reach character limit with more)Rather than speculate, I will in grace assume it's some kind of miscommunication somewhere and I only wish to serve as a lawful guardrail on this issue - this series is fine on /a/.
Just want to let anyone who sees this know, there's a game in the DBS threads where they try to group up and flood the catalogue. Make sure to watch for signs of this and see if anyone's talking about raiding in the DBS thread. Try to catch it early since they took out Page 10 the last time.
Also, it's worth noting that one of the DBS people who do this uses a residential proxy called Tuxler, apparently, so they might appear as residential IPs from different locations.
>>7243This issue was brought up again today in the lounge after I had to BR 34 simultaneous DBS threads. Between that, the antagonistic behavior towards the rest of the board, the porn, the constant off-topic posting, and the general low quality of the threads, I think this warrants a second look. Especially after it's been over a year of strictly monitoring and policing the DBS threads by janitors and by mods and seeing no improvement.
Can we come back to this?This comes up in moderation near weekly, we keep being told its being looked into then 6 months go by and nothing.They spam the board with new threads nightly.Im tired of pretending they ARENT a general when they hit 500 posts and instantly make 2-4 new threads, link those new threads in the old threat, call their threads editions, fight over who gets to make the OP image.Thats without getting into the "content" of the threads which is a small amount of users avataring, roleplaying, and spamming gay porn. They had a movie that came out recently and I checked out the thread when it did, maybe 10% of the thread was discussing the movie while 90% continued their ERP about Vegeta cucking Goku.They certainly aren't self contained either, they spam every other general with that one Jiren image because they are trying to make it the most posted image on the board. We have auto filtered it I think 3 times now? How many more times is it going to take?They literally have a general on /trash/ where they discuss raiding and brag about their bans they evade.Im curious why they get such special treatment when other threads such as the MonMusume, Majikoi, and Kawakmai threads have been banned from /a/ for a fraction of the shit they pull.
>>6278you mean to tell me this is some sort of anime website?
>>8630Honestly, I'm done paying attention to their threads. If they want to spam porn and gibberish with an unlimited number of IP addresses, I'm not going to bother cleaning it up. If someone wants the general to remain on the board, they can deal with it. All the /a/ janitors think it should be excised (I would be greatly surprised if one of us thinks it should still be here), so why should we have to be the ones to clean it up? There are better uses for my time than participating in this Sisyphean bullshit. And that's only counting janitor work, not actually important things in my day-to-day life. If anyone else feels the same way, feel free to follow suit.It's become incredibly apparent that these threads are only being kept on the board to punish /a/ for being "big meanie elitists," when they would have been removed from a "non-elitist" board YEARS ago. At this point, it's become impossible to use Hanlon's razor here. I'm just stating what everyone else is thinking, userbase included, so don't shoot the messenger please!
>>8634>>8630I shit you not, I janny /vmg/ and the only thread that gives me problems on that board is the DBZ gacha thread.
>>8635DB discussion site wide has suffered because the general on /a/ has corrupted the series's image. It's basically been turned into THE shitpost anime because of it.This should go to show, the /a/ janitors being frustrated at this general is not because we hate DB or anything. We think THE GENERAL needs to be retired, not the series.
Just chiming in to say I also still think /dbs/ just needs to go. If we need some kind of Al Capone's Tax Evasion legitimacy, I struggle to believe that anyone who starts these threads isn't in the process of ban evasion
>>8630I've been trying to collect my thoughts on this but I can't find the words. Until mods decide to do something we just need to keep cleaning up the bestiality and gay porn from the only group of people who post it on /a/.
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>>8743When I made that post I had just gotten done deleting a video of a man raping a monkey from a dragonball thread. Last night they were spamming Nikocado's asshole again. Did you have something to add to the conversation?
>Anonymous ## Janitor 09/26/22(Mon)05:32:39 No.8758▶>>>8743>When I made that post I had just gotten done deleting a video of a man raping a monkey from a dragonball thread. Last night they were spamming Nikocado's asshole again. Did you have something to add to the conversation?No I just misread your post and then couldn't delete my reply.
>>8758>When I made that post I had just gotten done deleting a video of a man raping a monkey from a dragonball thread
>>8760No worries. Gave me a good excuse to go into more detail.
>>8760>frog in the /a/ threadGet him, jannies
>>7306>no replies to thisI don't even have /a/ and this makes me wonder too...it is a mystery...
>>9934it's been handled
