FLAGS HAVE BEEN ADDED ## Board Owner 11/09/14 (Sun) 04:38:59 No. 8810 [Last 50 Posts]
REPORT IN WITH WHICHEVER FLAG FITS YOU BEST AND EXPLAIN WHY IT'S THE FLAG FOR YOU ALSO REQUEST AND UPLOAD ANY FLAGS YOU WANT BUT THEY MUST BE 16x11! RANKINGS ON FRINGE Fedora A fedora rejects magick and refuses to investigate it, he is actively opposed to the practise of magick and denies its existence. He doesn't want to do anything for himself and wants to sit there and demand you prove things to him so that after hours of preparation and considerable effort to show him magick he may then dismiss it again with "magick doesn't real, nice trick there faggot". His mind's already made up and he thinks practising and studying magick is foolishness. Some fedoras purportedly have read some magick books before but they may have been really shit books, or they might not be clever enough to make proper use of them, or they think what they read is better explained by a non-magickal explanation. They are men of faith and can't be reasoned with. "Magick is not real, trust me I've never done it!" is a famous slogan of the fedora.
Mundane A regular person with no magical knowledge or practise. Probably they aren't interested in magick or only know a little. There attention is given primarily to the mundane pursuits in life. They do not necessarily reject magick and they may be theists or religious but for whatever reason they don't pursue it. They may be apathetic, they may think they can't achieve a level of skill in magick where it would be worth their while, they may simply be too distracted with just trying to survive, they might have had some bad or startling experiences with the paranormal and let fear dominate them and keep them from going further, they might not know where to begin with getting into magick, etc. There are many reasons mundanes don't actively study and practise magick even if they acknowledge its existence or possibility. They are the same same as
Hylic or
Somatic in Gnostic terms.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hylics Neophyte A person who is learning magick. They have an actual interest in occultism and study it and may be engaged in some basic practises. They've at least read some books – they are learners following the path of illumination. They want to develop adept-hood in magick. They might not be accomplished in the practise of magick for now but they're learning and they respect the initiates and masters who they seek guidance from. Same as
Psychic in Gnostic terms, someone with the potential to overcome his material-animal nature and become a spiritual being.
Initiate A person who has learned a lot of magick, probably studied at least a minimum of one year, read multiple books, engaged in a variety of practises with enough success in magick to not take the doubters seriously anymore. He has achieved gnosis, he's seen some shit, he's got results. He knows there's "something to it" and doesn't doubt his path any longer. Considers himself a wizard, is able to help others along the path and teach them as well. Some of these would be
Pneumatic in Gnostic terms but most would still be called
Psychic .
Master An initiate who has finished all of his studies, is extremely skilled in the practise of magick, has much to teach everyone else, and has basically overcome third density and reached a level of consciousness where he is assured not to fall back into ignorance. He has attained mastery of the magical arts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumatic_%28Gnosticism%29 Master of Masters Hermes Trismegistus is called the
Master of Masters . You will never be him, not without learning and practising for countless lifetimes in which you consciously remember everything. A spirit of this level of power travels to other worlds and reveals the highest truths to its inhabitants, creating the foundations of religion. He makes even learned wizards who've already mastered their arts still looks like like neophytes compared to him.
Alien You can only get this rank by becoming an alien in another incarnation or being an alien already. Aliens are typically 4D or even higher and magick is child's play for them.
11/09/14 (Sun) 04:40:10 No. 8811
CHECK EM'
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>>>/meta/25353
11/09/14 (Sun) 05:08:40 No. 8821
Why can't I post with flags in some of the older threads and why are some flags not showing up as available to me?
11/09/14 (Sun) 05:23:12 No. 8828
FINALLY
Odin ## Board Volunteer 11/09/14 (Sun) 05:27:33 No. 8831
>>8810 >no Uber trismegistus rank >implying there's such things as "nevers" or impossibles" in this or any other plane of existence >implying all aliums are 4D BRRRDD BRRDD REMOVE HUMAN FROM PREMISES
AYYYYYYYYYYYYY
11/09/14 (Sun) 05:28:54 No. 8832
>>8831 Nobody is worthy of the Uber Trismegistus rank until reach such a level of power that they can force it to exist with their magick alone.
11/09/14 (Sun) 05:53:11 No. 8839
Finally we have flags.
11/09/14 (Sun) 06:12:39 No. 8846
pisscones
11/09/14 (Sun) 06:13:05 No. 8847
Loosh Farmers Report In
11/09/14 (Sun) 06:15:27 No. 8848
11/09/14 (Sun) 06:15:49 No. 8849
11/09/14 (Sun) 07:51:45 No. 8869
Fedoras in the house
11/09/14 (Sun) 08:11:27 No. 8870
plz this ones
11/09/14 (Sun) 12:10:56 No. 8879
Cool
11/09/14 (Sun) 12:11:39 No. 8880
Check 'um
11/09/14 (Sun) 12:38:43 No. 8881
;_;
11/09/14 (Sun) 15:19:09 No. 8891
I am an alium but not an grey. Pls represent me with flag you ignorant bigots. Saiyan Pride!
11/09/14 (Sun) 16:44:47 No. 8899
At least I'm not a fedora
11/09/14 (Sun) 17:12:46 No. 8905
Am I doing this right/
11/09/14 (Sun) 17:20:09 No. 8906
qwop the law of vibration holds untold power
11/09/14 (Sun) 17:54:18 No. 8908
>A person who has learned a lot of magick, probably studied at least a minimum of one year
11/09/14 (Sun) 18:52:28 No. 8919
>>8891 Come abduct me first then, greys beating you at your game bitch alien.
11/09/14 (Sun) 18:54:57 No. 8921
If magick is real, then why have none of you divined the winning lotto numbers?
11/09/14 (Sun) 18:59:54 No. 8923
>>8908 Aye aye, I do the same.
11/09/14 (Sun) 19:00:22 No. 8924
11/09/14 (Sun) 19:01:32 No. 8925
>A person who has learned a lot of magick, probably studied at least a minimum of one year
11/09/14 (Sun) 19:49:28 No. 8936
>>8925 I know that feel. I never have the will to do anything. It's pretty sad honestly.
11/09/14 (Sun) 21:21:37 No. 8956
Those rankings are ridiculous and out of date.
11/09/14 (Sun) 21:24:08 No. 8958
>>8956 This archetype is too busy or too content to commit to intangible pursuits. He is firmly rooted in reality and has several responsibilities and activities that are his primary focus in life. Believers and Zealots refer to this archetype as "the Mundane."
This archetype favors reality over fantasy and prefers not to indulge in irrational thought. As a staunch proponent of rigor, he rejects theories that lack evidence or cannot be tested. Believers and Zealots frequently label this archetyle as "the Fedora."
This archetype is cerebral and curious, but his curiosity is as much a liability as it is an asset, for it makes him open to anything. As an intellectual, he entertains almost any argument or position. Believers and Zealots think of this archetype as "the Neophyte."
This archetype wholeheartedly embraces ideas while not understanding them to their full extent. In supporting particular belief systems, he validates his need for belonging, and he feels privileged as a result of this. Zealots label this archetype as "The Initiate."
This archetype suspends all disbelief in regard to the fantastical and disparages those who are not committed to his brand of dogma. His fanaticism has made him militant, irrational, and manipulative. Believers and Suggestibles refer to this archetype as "The Master."
This archetype was once a Zealot who could not reconcile his dogma with rational thought. He has all the knowledge of a Zealot without the limited perspective, which allows him to come full circle and reveal the cruxes of belief systems to all other archetypes.
11/09/14 (Sun) 21:29:24 No. 8962
>>8958 Hey fucktard, pragmatists are NOT fedora, did you even read the recent thread we had that went into how magick is pragmatic?
Fedoras are far-removed from being pragmatists and instead are dogmatic materialist fundamentalists.
11/09/14 (Sun) 21:31:49 No. 8963
>>8962 Zealot detected.
Swing and a miss.
11/09/14 (Sun) 21:33:39 No. 8964
>>8958 Also your whole fucking text you laid out is purely sceptical in inclination and lacks any support for gnosis. You regard the most advanced persons as the ones who "know nothing and cling to nothing" when in reality they are but ignorant know nothings. A true master KNOWS and is CAPABLE and can DO THINGS, he has insights into reality that grant him true POWER.
The Reformed archetype you put forward is just a faggot fedora.
Odin ## Board Volunteer 11/09/14 (Sun) 21:33:43 No. 8965
>>8956 >martin luther king >on /fringe/ You know where it goes.
11/09/14 (Sun) 21:33:44 No. 8966
>>8963 Fuck off until you understand gnosis.
11/09/14 (Sun) 21:37:09 No. 8968
>>8964 >>8966 Zealots gonna Zealot.
>>8965 Are you retarded?
11/09/14 (Sun) 21:43:52 No. 8970
The Incurious – aka MundaneThe Pragmatist – aka Chaos WizardThe Suggestible These other "archetypes"
Odin 11/09/14 (Sun) 21:45:24 No. 8971
>>8968 >he really fell for it I don't care for either of both, since neither brought anything productive to the world.
Both wanted to keep spreading christinsanity and bluepills. Both were tools of archons.
Protestantism is the same shit as catholicism, just a different shade of brown.
Bringing tools of archons to /fringe/ is never a good idea.
11/09/14 (Sun) 21:46:21 No. 8972
>>8968 Good job on being a sceptical faggot, faggot. As if it takes any effort to doubt everything (but swallow the mainstream narrative unquestionably).
Now try and actually do something but sit around and feign superiority for finding little cracks in other people's theories and shit, he who deconstructs, does not at all compare to he who constructs. "Debunking" is easy shit.
11/09/14 (Sun) 21:52:31 No. 8975
>>8970 You can't be a pragmatist and believe in magic in the same way that you can't be a scientist and believe in a 6000-year-old Earth. Pragmatism and science are rooted in observation and evidence whereas magic and creationism are rooted in wishful thinking and faith.
>>8971 You're cute when you're trying to be ominous, Smiley. Give /illuminati/ my regards.
11/09/14 (Sun) 21:52:29 No. 8976
test
11/09/14 (Sun) 21:57:20 No. 8977
>>8975 >You can't be a pragmatist and believe in magic in the same way that you can't be a scientist and believe in a 6000-year-old Earth. Pragmatism and science are rooted in observation and evidence whereas magic and creationism are rooted in wishful thinking and faith. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about you retard, how about you actually fucking read about pragmatism, and also figure out what the philosophy you subscribe to is which is definitely not pragmatism.
http://pragmaticmagic.com/
11/09/14 (Sun) 21:58:43 No. 8978
11/09/14 (Sun) 21:59:22 No. 8979
Hermeticist
11/09/14 (Sun) 21:59:35 No. 8980
"Under this Law of Infinite Universes are two other laws: the Law of Pragmatism and the law of True Falsehoods. The Law of Pragmatism simply states, "If it works, it's true." This is a very useful law because it avoids moral arguments with oneself and others. In this case, therefore, truth has a functional value since it works properly for the person. Such a law allows different responses to the same or similar situations which is the interplay of the Law of Synthesis." http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/l/laws_of_magic.html >>8978 u mad, fedora materialist fundamentalist who has never ever fucking read up on what pragmatism is?
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:00:33 No. 8981
>>8979 That falls under "Believer" or "Zealot," depending on how dogmatic you've become as a result of time spent on it.
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:00:38 No. 8982
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http://www.neopagan.net/AT_Laws.html Fedoras trying to steal the pragmatic philosophy for themselves BLOWN THE FUCK OUT.
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:06:52 No. 8984
>>8980 >>8982 That isn't the definition of "pragmatic."
You Zealots are all the same.
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:07:52 No. 8985
Fedoras go back to the Classical Model or to Empiricism, you don't know what Pragmatism is, you philosophical ignorants.
pragmatic use of belief systems and the creation of new and unorthodox methods.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_magic The more Fedoras post the more they embarrass themselves.
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:10:04 No. 8986
>>8984 Keep digging that fedora hole deeper, all true students of philosophy are laughing at you right now in this thread, idiot.
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:10:13 No. 8987
>>8985 Believing that you have superpowers is the opposite of being pragmatic.
Magic is like any other religion in that it is faith-based and devoid of supporting evidence.
The strength of your faith doesn't make you a pragmatist; it makes you a zealot.
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:11:50 No. 8988
>>8986 >all true students of philosophy are laughing at you right now You mean the same ones that are flipping burgers after earning their degrees in philosophy?
How pragmatic of them.
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:18:16 No. 8990
>>8987 >Believing that you have superpowers is the opposite of being pragmatic. No it's not you fucking IDIOT. READ the actual article on PRAGMATISM:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pragmatism READ THIS TOO:
http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/us/james.htm
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:19:56 No. 8992
>>8987 You're playing with words whose meanings you do not understand.
>>8988 Typical anti-philosophical attitude of retarded fedoras who DO NOT EVEN KNOW THE NAME OF THE PHILOSOPHY THEY'VE BEEN INDOCTRINATED INTO MINDLESSLY.
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:21:16 No. 8993
FEDORAS BLOWN THE FUCK OUT AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN 11/09/14 (Sun) 22:22:24 No. 8994
Magic Pragmatism. Inner Observation and the Quest for Inner Perfection he project explores a group of Italian psychologists, philosophers, and writers who in the first years of the twentieth century crafted a form of pragmatism known as “psychological” or “magic” pragmatism. The members of this group transformed pragmatism from a set of philosophical doctrines into a practical guide for inner or spiritual action: a “psicacogia,” or an art for the conduct of the soul. To them pragmatism derived its recognizable unity less from any coherent body of philosophical ideas than from the practices it encouraged. These included introspection and self-observation (both psychological and philosophical); psychological techniques aimed at strengthening the will, concentrating attention, and intensifying “mental energy;” philosophical exercises of a Stoic variety; religious exercises, such as forms of the “imitatio Christi”, and a host of practices for the writing of the self (such as the intimate journal, the letter, and the fantastic tale). They borrowed those practices from heterogeneous traditions, but reinterpreted them in light of Henri Bergson’s and William James’s work, especially James’s pragmatism and his psychological theories of attention, perception, and the will. The result was a powerful, though, unstable, synthesis of psychological, philosophical, spiritual, and, shortly afterwards, political ways of life which they mobilized as they pursued a typically modernist project of individual renewal and social regeneration. Bordogna’s MPI project is part of her current book project, The Pragmatist Hotel: Pragmatism as a Way of Life.
http://www.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/en/research/projects/DeptII_BordognaFran_Magic%20Pragmatism
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:27:55 No. 8999
"Not just any magick, but one that is ultimately pragmatic. Pragmatism is a strong part of many magical traditions and hoodoo exemplifies this. What purpose is there for magick if not to help right wrongs, to help find a person happiness, …" I am not going to touch on the history of hoodoo, nor its religious influences (for more on the topic of hoodoo's history check out catherine yronwode's online book). Instead, I am going to point out one salient fact that the critics who decry conjure's lack of concept of karma are missing: hoodoo is magick. That's right, it is a system of *magick,* not religion. Not just any magick, but one that is ultimately pragmatic. Pragmatism is a strong part of many magical traditions and hoodoo exemplifies this. What purpose is there for magick if not to help right wrongs, to help find a person happiness, to bring about a nurturing relationship, or financial success? The rootworkers is a deeply spiritual person, but a person who's not so far up in the clouds that they forget where their feet are.''
http://ravenconjure.blogspot.ca/2010/07/ethics-of-hoodoo-justified-or-not.htmla
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:32:28 No. 9000
>>8997 >>8998 I sure as fuck know what it is because I actually study philosophy unlike you who just fucks around with muh pop science retardation.
YOU ARE NOT A PRAGMATIST, IT LOOKS LIKE A NICE WORD YOU WANT TO APPLY AS A LABEL FOR YOURSELF, BUT YOU ARE NOT ONE.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_skepticism ^ THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE IDENTIFYING WITH.
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:32:36 No. 9001
>>8990 Are you sure you know the definition of that word, bro?
>>8992 You're the one who's putting on a wizard hat and arguing over fairy tales, Zealot. If anyone is indoctrinated, it's you.
>>8996 Crowley wasn't pragmatic at all.
>>8999 Nah. Magic is fantastical and faith-based, which makes it antithetical to pragmatism.
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:33:08 No. 9002
AHAHAHAH FEDORA JUST DELETED HIS FUCKING POSTS IN SHAME!!
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:35:43 No. 9003
>>9001 STILL AT IT RETARD? DAMN I THOUGHT YOU'D GIVEN UP HOW ABOUT YOU TAKE A COURSE IN EPISTEMOLOGY AND COME BACK LATER WHEN YOU'RE LESS RETARDED AND LOOKING BACK AT HOW YOU WERE BEFORE WITH SHAME?
Get started here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology Current assignment for you; read and understand each epistemological position from empiricism to rationalism to scepticism to idealism to pragmatism and so on.
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:35:27 No. 9004
>>9002 I double posted, so I deleted one.
If anyone should be ashamed, it should be you for projecting this hard.
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:39:28 No. 9005
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>>9004 Come back when you're not an ignorant buffoon.
Here's a few more for you to study:
- Constructivism
- Coherentism
- Foundationalism
- Infinitism
- Phenomenalism
More here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Epistemological_theories Watching fucking Carl Sagan and Black Science Man does not constitute an education in philosophy, retard fedora.
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:39:12 No. 9006
>>9003 You first, bro.
If you're this far off the mark when it comes to pragmatism, then I'm not convinced that you understand any of the ideas that you've put forth.
At this point, you're more of a Believer than a Zealot.
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:41:09 No. 9007
>>9006 >You first, bro. Already fucking did.
You don't understand shit. If you think I'm wrong you have to go edit the chaos magick wikipedia article, faggot.
You're a retard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_magic
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:40:58 No. 9008
>>9005 If that's your policy, then you should've left this place a long time ago.
Neither does reading William Walker Atkinson while wearing a robe and wizard hat.
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:43:18 No. 9010
>>9009 It sure does.
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:45:53 No. 9011
Fucking
William James (one of the founders of pragmatism) was part of the
Theosophical Society .
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/his/influence-theosophy.html Fedora BTFO out again.
FEDORAS BTFO JUST GIVE UP NOW AND ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG OR YOU'RE JUST A RETARD 11/09/14 (Sun) 22:48:32 No. 9013
The placebo effect even seems to work in sports, particularly in the aspect of pain killing. Researchers in the University of Turin found that athletes who used morphine to treat pain during a camp, can, unbeknownst to them, be given fake morphine, just before competition, and receive the same effects of real morphine during competition thus there is some type of causation between belief and athletic performance. Conor McGregor has cited his intense belief as a source of his success in the Octagon, but are his belief's true?
To this we turn to a man who influenced Aleister Crowley, William James. As one of the main exponents of the American philosophy of Pragmatism, William James believed that
"the truth of an idea is not a stagnant property inherent in it. Truth happens to an idea. It becomes true, is made true by events. Its verity is in fact an event, a process: the process namely of its verifying itself, its veri-fication. Its validity is the process of its valid-ation." This main doctrine of pragmatism can be explained with the following parable.
Read the rest here:
http://fightland.vice.com/blog/conor-mcgregor-aleister-crowley-and-the-power-of-belief EVEN FUCKING VICE.COM AFFIRMS YOU'RE WRONG
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:48:47 No. 9014
>>9011 That doesn't make magic pragmatic.
Swing and a miss.
FOUNDER OF PRAGMATISM WAS AN OCCULT WIZARD 11/09/14 (Sun) 22:50:16 No. 9015
William James: Pragmatism and His Life Devoted to the Occult William James and John Dewey are credited with the popularization and refinement of pragmatism. Pragmatism proclaims that the truth or worth of an idea is based upon the results it brings. Pragmatists believe that truth is relative, situational, and that a desired end justifies any means required to reach it. [1] John MacArthur has stated that pragmatism has sucked the life out of the Church.
James was the Father of American Psychology. [2]
James studied closely the schools of thought known as associationism and spiritualism. He was a Swedenborgian theologian, and heavily involved in the Metaphysical Club, all of which are the occult.[3]
James was a Harvard professor, psychologist, psychic investigator, and philosopher.
William James explored multiple vocations in his life-long quest for intellectual clarity and spiritual fulfillment. [4]
He was a Progressive Socialist. [5] [6]
In 1899, he was the leader of Anti-imperialist League.[7]
James used hypnotism in his teaching and practice. [8]
He accepted Darwin's explanation of human evolution. [9]
Published in 1902, his pioneering Varieties of Religious Experience, which concerned building a bridge between psychology and religion. It has become the cornerstone of scientific study of religion to this day. He considered himself a pluralist. [10]
William James called for a serious study of paranormal phenomena and played a leading part in the foundation in 1885 of the American Society for Psychical Research.[11]
http://fanaticforjesus.blogspot.ca/2011/02/william-james-pragmatism-and-his-life.html
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:51:47 No. 9016
>>9013 You still haven't been able to coherently state why magic is pragmatic, and you won't be able to do so because pragmatism invalidates magic.
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:51:50 No. 9017
>>9014 You're a fucking idiot, just off yourself, or apply the label of a philosophy that actually reflects your fedora beliefs.
Find the correct one for you in here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Epistemological_theories Pragmatism ; something you don't understand at all and which you misrepresent in your stupid fucking picture.
11/09/14 (Sun) 22:53:46 No. 9018
>>9017 There is no need to be upset.
Surely a Zealot such as yourself can explain why magic is pragmatic.
11/09/14 (Sun) 23:03:47 No. 9019
>>9016 Are you just trolling at this point? Anyone with half a brain reading this thread can see how fucking wrong you are.
Lets look at the facts now shall we?
1. Wikipedia article on Chaos Magick explicitly states it's Pragmatic. Don't agree? Then go ahead and try to edit the article and see if the wikipedia community thinks you're an idiot or not.
2. William James a founder of pragmatism was a member of the
Theosophical Society and a known occultist.
3. Many occultists rightfully describe themselves as pragmatic and correctly use the label to explain their stance on things.
4. Your previous statements in the picture with the stupid pop scientist picture you made are based on philosophical scepticism and are a direct contradiction to the pragmatic model.
5. Most of your beloved heros of Fedoraism such as Black Science Guy, Bill Nye, Carl Sagan, etc. would never call themselves pragmatists because they either know their actual philosophical stance already or have consultants that can help them avoid making retarded mistakes like you.
6. Pragmatism is
metaphysically pluralist .
7. Pragmatism explicitly rejects
Scientific Realism (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_realism ) and is also
Anti-Realist .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-realism 8. Another key feature of pragmatism is that doubt requires justification under this philosophy; something fedoras reject very strongly as they don't believe they need to justify their doubts and only that beliefs have to be justified.
11/09/14 (Sun) 23:12:10 No. 9021
>>9018 Is wikipedia wrong or are you just an idiot?
11/09/14 (Sun) 23:13:08 No. 9022
>>9019 The strength of your faith in a particular belief system doesn't make you pragmatic; it makes you fanatical.
So? That doesn't make magic pragmatic.
Like I mentioned earlier, anyone who clings to irrationality isn't a pragmatist, no matter how strong their convictions may be.
Non sequitur.
Non sequitur.
No, it isn't.
It doesn't reject the tenants of science. In fact, the tenants of science are the foundations of pragmatic thinking.
This is an intellectually dishonest way of trying to convince yourself that pragmatists validate claims for which no evidence exists. Such thinking is in no way indicative of pragmatic behavior.
11/09/14 (Sun) 23:13:55 No. 9023
Why do fedoras suddenly want to caste off the correct philosophical labels for their epistemological positions and adopt the labels of philosophies that are a direct contradiction to what they believe?
11/09/14 (Sun) 23:17:43 No. 9024
Why do zealots suddenly want to take up the incorrect philosophical labels for their epistemological positions and shun the labels of philosophies that are a direct matches to what they believe?
11/09/14 (Sun) 23:21:57 No. 9025
>>9022 >Like I mentioned earlier, anyone who clings to irrationality isn't a pragmatist, no matter how strong their convictions may be. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalism Now stop calling yourself a pragmatist, call yourself a rationalist instead; although you're quite fucking irrational.
You have no idea what pragmatism is. You seem to think that pragmatism is the same as your retarded fedora beliefs.
>No, it isn't. YES IT FUCKING IS: Metaphysics: a pluralist view that there is more than one sound way to conceptualize the world and its content. STRAIGHT OUT OF THE WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE ON PRAGMATISM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pragmatism Philosophy of science: an instrumentalist and scientific anti-realist view that a scientific concept or theory should be evaluated by how effectively it explains and predicts phenomena, as opposed to how accurately it describes objective reality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pragmatism ^ SAME FUCKING ARTICLE - ALSO READ:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-realism You're a retard spewing shit and have no idea what the words you're using means and think you can get away with it by using fancy words you don't understand. This might work on other idiots who've never studied philosophy but I have and I see right through you. Your mother should have aborted you.
11/09/14 (Sun) 23:32:37 No. 9028
>>9025 I happen to be both pragmatic and rational.
Pragmatists are able to entertain this concept, but they do not wholeheartedly accept it unless it is pragmatic to do so.
Science is pragmatic. If you deny that, then you don't understand pragmatism.
Who are you trying to convince – me or you?
11/09/14 (Sun) 23:38:38 No. 9031
>>9028 >I happen to be both pragmatic and rational. YOU CAN'T BELIEVE TWO CONTRADICTORY PHILOSOPHIES AT ONCE YOU
TOTAL FUCKING IDIOT!!! WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME NEXT THAT YOU'RE AN ATHEISTIC THEIST?
Stop this trolling at once, you either have no idea what you're talking about and are retarded, or you know but you're intentionally perverting the meaning of words in order to ruse me for loosh.
There are multiple scientific models one of which is the pragmatic model which btw is NOT the mainstream model ascribed to by fedoras like you.
Anyone capable of understanding the differences between contradictory philosophies. You're probably not in that category.
11/09/14 (Sun) 23:43:41 No. 9032
>>9031 I don't – that would be neither pragmatic nor rational.
Are you sure that fedora label doesn't apply to you, too?
Truth is singular; it's versions are mistruths. Science does not deal in mistruths, and it is wholly pragmatic.
So, you're trying to convince others of a claim based on assumptions. A pragmatist, you are not.
11/09/14 (Sun) 23:46:34 No. 9033
>>9032 "I'm a huge idiot please rape my face while I continue to say retarded shit with words I don't understand!" –
you Now stop this trolling and fuck off.
11/09/14 (Sun) 23:59:51 No. 9035
>>9032 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_modelling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method#Models_of_scientific_inquiry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pragmatic_theory_of_truth If you aren't trolling you need to actually look shit up before you post and make wrong assertions again & again. Wizard hat anon is correct and you are a fool.
Pragmatists deny an objective reality btw.
Your "truth is singular" statement is a contradiction of pragmatism, a philosophy you clearly do not espouse, but whose name you've got a hard-on for and so want to apply it to yourself even if it makes no sense to do so.
11/10/14 (Mon) 00:01:23 No. 9037
11/10/14 (Mon) 00:24:38 No. 9043
>>9024 >Are all zealots going to start calling themselves realists next and insist that realists believe in an immaterial deistic universe? Philosophical realism — belief that reality exists independently of observers.
Now how does this contradict the idea of a deity or no deity; a wholly separate matter?
Realism is a contradiction of idealism and anti-realism, two philosophies that are not compatible with realism.
Pragmatism is anti-realist and thus more closely related to idealism; a philosophy that pisses fedoras off very much and which affirms the mental principle that is the basis of magick.
You can not be a realist and a pragmatist, as pragmatism is anti-realist.
Magick and pragmatism are not contradictory. Realism and pragmatism ARE contradictory though; do you like that label "realist" and want to use it to describe yourself anon because it sounds authoritative and correct to you like you must be really intelligent if you're a "realist"?
As for Zealot, you're all Zealots in here, in the sense you show zeal and are fanatical about your positions; and that's not a bad thing but anon with no flag is just wrong about practically everything.
11/10/14 (Mon) 00:26:27 No. 9044
>>9041 >your picture >using the word "realistic" to describe pragamatic behaviour >pragmatism is explicitly anti-realist
11/10/14 (Mon) 00:32:42 No. 9047
Why are you guys still replying to this faggot
>magic is bullshit therefore it cannot be pragmatic you stupid zealot Literally his only argument.
He even has that Smiley-Jewish picture saved
>>9010 so he's not a random fedora visitor. He's clearly here just to fuck with people.
11/10/14 (Mon) 00:48:00 No. 9050
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11/10/14 (Mon) 00:50:19 No. 9051
>>9047 It's evidently the same guy who trolls /pol/ and several other boards spreading misinformation about Hermeticism and /fringe/ too. Remember that one thread on /pol/ where OP dismissed all of /fringe/ and Hermeticism by talking about Thelemic shit and he kept ignoring that we reject Thelemites?
11/10/14 (Mon) 00:58:42 No. 9052
Another founder of Pragamatism, Charles Sanders Pierce;
11/10/14 (Mon) 01:01:36 No. 9053
>>9050 Not bad, but those chaos magicians are not behaving pragmatically.
>>9052 And his labors bore no fruits, which is why pragmatists have little regard for telepathy.
11/10/14 (Mon) 01:03:35 No. 9055
>>9051 Can't the Owner/Volunteer check the IPs?
Come on, this is unbearable.
I could tolerate an healthy skepticism towards our "fringe" ideas, because they can sound crazy if you come from a "mundane" paradigm, but this guy is just shitposting all over the board.
11/10/14 (Mon) 01:05:20 No. 9056
>>9053 >Not bad, but those chaos magicians are not behaving pragmatically. Stop being fucking retarded.
11/10/14 (Mon) 01:07:23 No. 9057
>>9053 >Not bad, but those chaos magicians are not behaving pragmatically. How about you start arguing your points, instead of always dismissing (or straight up ignoring) people's arguments and replying with one line.
11/10/14 (Mon) 01:07:28 No. 9058
Just to make it more clear to our retarded fedora shill.
11/10/14 (Mon) 01:08:50 No. 9060
Jesus Christ people just ignore the fedora, let him call himself the fucking king of England if he wants, he'll still be wrong and making a fool of himself to anyone who actually knows what he's talking about.
11/10/14 (Mon) 01:12:26 No. 9061
>>9053 >And his labors bore no fruits, which is why pragmatists have little regard for telepathy. You mean
sceptics not pragmatists you fucking idiot.
…and you don't know if his "labours bore no fruits" or not.
11/10/14 (Mon) 01:23:45 No. 9062
>>9055 Fedora Shill Guy holds multiple beliefs which stand in direct contradiction to what pragmatism is about and the links posted in this thread to the various articles prove him wrong if he'd just fucking read any of it or acknowledge any of it.
The fedora shill guy anon said here (
>>9022 ): "No, it isn't." (in response to the statement by the other anon that pragmatism is metaphysically pluralist.
All he'd have to do is actually read the opening section of the wikipedia article where it says that pragamatism is "a pluralist view that there is more than one sound way to conceptualize the world and its content."
…or read
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralism_%28philosophy%29 (where it explicitly mentions Pragmatism as being pluralist)
…or read this post: (
>>9015 ) ( where it is written that William James, founder of pragmatism and a devote occultist, "considered himself a pluralist.")
11/10/14 (Mon) 01:30:43 No. 9064
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>>9057 He doesn't have a point he's just shilling. He either doesn't know what the words he's using means or he knows and is intentionally confounding the meaning of them to create confusion. He also has no citations at all given in the whole thread.
>>9008 I bet you still haven't read a single William Walker Atkinson book or you have and you recognize the truth but are motivated for some reason to cover it up and spread disinformation.
11/10/14 (Mon) 01:33:14 No. 9065
Two more quotes coming up from the occult founder of pragmatism.
11/10/14 (Mon) 01:33:31 No. 9066
11/10/14 (Mon) 01:38:39 No. 9068
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>>9067 What's that, are you rejecting pragmatism there?
11/10/14 (Mon) 01:41:08 No. 9069
>>9068 The men in that picture aren't behaving pragmatically.
11/10/14 (Mon) 02:47:23 No. 9073
tips fedora
11/10/14 (Mon) 16:23:40 No. 9166
Zionist.
11/11/14 (Tue) 03:36:33 No. 9271
test
11/11/14 (Tue) 04:43:50 No. 9282
>>8971 Martin Luther was a genius with balls the size of beanbags,who accomplished more than you ever hope to. gtfo neckbeard.
11/11/14 (Tue) 04:49:18 No. 9286
>>8971 >Dissing Luther >"I had made up my mind to write no more either about the Jews or against them. But since I learned that these miserable and accursed people do not cease to lure to themselves even us, that is, the Christians, I have published this little book, so that I might be found among those who opposed such poisonous activities of the Jews who warned the Christians to be on their guard against them. I would not have believed that a Christian could be duped by the Jews into taking their exile and wretchedness upon himself. However, the devil is the god of the world, and wherever God's word is absent he has an easy task, not only with the weak but also with the strong. May God help us. Amen." Fuck off kike.
11/17/14 (Mon) 04:33:16 No. 9933
11/24/14 (Mon) 11:43:26 No. 10792
We need to enforce a rule to ban all people that don't post with a flag so every post comes with a ranking and flag use is more popular.
11/24/14 (Mon) 12:07:15 No. 10798
11/24/14 (Mon) 16:15:21 No. 10823
Posting.
11/24/14 (Mon) 16:47:18 No. 10830
>>10798 Thanks for the loosh, mundane.
11/25/14 (Tue) 16:14:13 No. 10920
>>8810 I know more than you could possibly understand, but labeling myself master is pretentious as fuck, there is so much more to learn.
I implore you to tend to this.
11/26/14 (Wed) 10:38:59 No. 10970
>>10920 How about an adept rank?
12/04/14 (Thu) 08:50:01 No. 11869
Kabbalist, or Qabbalist.
12/04/14 (Thu) 22:40:05 No. 11942
>>11871 Stop stretching them into rectangles.