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 No.104891

Story time, /fringe/. I'm here in part seeking answers, understanding, and advice, but I'm fine with just sharing these thoughts with somebody. I may just be organizing my thoughts here, but I'm sure some of you will find at least some parts of this interesting. If nothing else, let this be a cautionary tale about the reckless use of psychedelics and an introduction to the traditional Chinese concept of Gu. I think I'll be sharing enough information here that it's worth its own thread

TL;DR: I'm suffering from a condition which matches up to the traditional Chinese concept of Gu syndrome, meaning I've been cursed, poisoned, possessed, or sapped in some way or another - possibly as a result of offending some psychedelic entity. I'm now looking for a means to rectify this and restore my health.

Here's the full story. I'm going back several years here because I think the background information could be important.

When I was younger, fresh out of high school and getting stoned regularly, I started experimenting with psychedelics. Mostly for fun and with an ignorant mindset - we only really started trying them because our long-time dealer had run out of weed, but offered us half-gram capsules of ground mushrooms for $5 a pop (the common strain here is psilocybe subaeruginosa so this may be stronger than you'd expect, but still a mild dose). I quickly discovered a genuine curiosity in them though. My interest was enhanced by the fact that I was also beginning to learn about meditation (more specifically the techniques of Tantra - not necessarily the sexual ones) and seeing a lot of parallels between the two.

For a while everything was fine, and I was having a lot of fun exploring altered states and discovering that I was capable of perceiving things in strange new ways. It raised many questions in my mind about the nature of perception and reality and I felt compelled to delve deeper. Eventually I started doing lots of research and pushing the limits. Ramping up dosages, exploring potentiation techniques. We discovered the lemon technique, in which mushrooms are soaked in lemon juice before ingestion to strengthen a peak's speed and onset, but reduce its duration by way of converting psilocybin into active psilocin before ingestion even occurs. It didn't take long for me to realize that a fast-onset lemon tek peak could be easily stacked on top of the peak of a regular trip if the timing was correct… so that's what I tried.

Clearly I was unprepared. Up until that point it had all been fun and games; things would look a bit funny, the mind would quieten down, there would be some general confusion and silliness, but none of us had really had a full blown psychedelic experience yet and I drastically underestimated it. I was somebody who had until then considered himself a rationalist and who had grown up surrounded by logic and science. My interest in psychedelics was mainly to do with how we perceive reality. But suddenly I was unable to think, increasingly disoriented, and shortly after that being uncontrollably ripped from my own body - watching it from above and drifting into a psychedelic void I couldn't comprehend, all while experiencing what I now know is called "ego death" - which, frankly feels a lot like death itself. Naturally I was terrified and began to fight it.

Several hours of so-called "bad trip" followed. I eventually returned to reality but was quite shaken by the experience. Instead of examining the nature of perception out of scientific curiosity, I was now forced to question the nature of consciousness and reality. Am I separate from my body? Can consciousness move beyond the flesh? Is it possible to get lost, and become permanently separated from your body? Are there really only three dimensions? I never heard or felt any direct message, but I couldn't shake the feeling that something had been communicated to me. Something like "Stop playing around, fool. You are not ready for this." Furthermore, my perceptions seemed to have been broken open. I felt fragile. More emotional. Hypersensitive. If I stared at the sky, I could see energy dancing among the clouds. If I looked carefully at a texture, I could see it move. I also became more sensitive to drugs in general - or perhaps simply more aware of their effects.

 No.104892

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>>104891

Suffice to say I was rattled by the experience for a long time, during which I seriously reconsidered my use of mushrooms. I also started making big strides in my meditation practices, coming to fully grasp the concept of "no-mind" and becoming capable of easily dropping into it. I resolved to treat them with more respect, as more of a sacrament to be used to delve into the nature of reality rather than a recreational drug. In hindsight I should have applied that lesson more generally, because I soon ended up experimenting with LSD instead. Not many times, actually, and in relatively small doses, but apparently this was unwise.

Everything up until this point has been pretty much your run of the mill "tripper adventures". Here's where things started becoming a real problem.

During one trip I spontaneously started experiencing pain. Radiating from my shoulder, as if I had injured something, but spreading throughout my whole body. Sapping my energy, too. As if I had been injected with a poison. I tried to ignore it, but it made the trip quite uncomfortable. More concerning was the fact that it didn't go away after the trip. I figured I must have actually injured myself… but the pain was generalized in nature rather than specific to any one area of the body - despite having started at the shoulder. And the fatigue was unusual. Sleep became unrefreshing. My thoughts became hazy. My memory worsened.

This was… 6 years ago. The pain, fatigue, and mental haze never went away. After over a year searching for a medical reason for my symptoms and having all sorts of tests come back normal, I was given a "we don't actually know what the fuck is going on with you" diagnosis of "fibromyalgia". I'll skip over the bullshit I endured to get to that stage - the problems with how patients with poorly understood illnesses are dealt with are not the purpose of this post. This condition can't be tested for as of yet, but it's theorized to involve some combination of hypersensitivity of the central nervous system, disruptions in the brain's serotonergic system, and anomalies in blood flow regulation.

Since these health problems started I started studying Chinese medicine, finding its diagnostic system and treatment approach much more suitable for actually coming to some understanding my condition on some level. I can't tolerate acupuncture well, so I'm focusing on herbal medicine. I've learned much about western medical science, biology, and anatomy in the process, too. On the side, I started researching and learning about the traditional uses of psychedelics and psychoactives as medicines and spiritual catalysts, about communication with spirits and entities, and delving a little bit into fringe material. I also learned about drugs, pharmacology, and neuroscience.

I've come to realize that Western medicine is best at treating acute conditions. Fast acting illnesses. Injuries. That sort of thing. It's fucking useless when it comes to general health maintenance, a lot of chronic conditions (especially those that it doesn't understand well), and psychoemotional disorders. Chinese medicine fills in these gaps quite well, but still falls short of being able to treat my condition properly. I've been able to prevent it from getting worse, and to alleviate symptoms to a degree, but my condition appears to be at a deeper level. Shamanism may have the tools that I'm looking for, to treat the spirit - which I believe is where the root of the problem lies.


 No.104893

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>>104891

>>104892

Fairly recently I learned of a traditional Chinese medical concept called "Gu syndrome", a condition whose tongue and pulse presentation match mine perfectly - and whose symptom patterns include all of mine (and more, which suggests an interesting future). And I'm sure some of you may find this interesting, because it was classically used as a weapon - an undetectable poison of sorts. Gu is an illness that arises as a result of attack or perhaps posession by insidious demons, snakes, worms, or curses set upon you by an enemy. According to one of the few English articles on the subject I could find:

>The Yijing (Book of Change), that provides the earliest clues for an understanding of the medical connotations that were originally associated with the term Gu. Hexagram eighteen is entitled Gu, here most often translated as ‘Degeneration’. It is formed by the trigram xun (wind) below and the trigram geng (mountain) above.

>Classical commentators have remarked that this particular hexagram describes an energetic situation where a feeble wind cannot penetrate the dense area at the mountain’s base, creating a place that does not receive air and thus becomes decayed and rotten. According to the movement oriented philosophy of the Yijing that laid the foundation of all Daoist sciences, including Chinese medicine, movement means life and health, stagnation means death and disease. In the broad cultural context of the Yijing, Gu thus marks a state of extreme stagnation where corruption and decay have already manifested and can no longer be ignored. Whether this occurs in society as a whole or in the microcosm of the human body, the oracle advises that only drastic (albeit thoughtful) action can turn this serious situation around. Gu, in short, is the ancient Chinese symbol for extreme pathological yin the dark side of life, the worst nightmare of any human being. It represents darkness, rottenness, slithering vermin, poisonous snakes, betrayal, black magic, backstabbing murder and in medical terms, progressive organ decay accompanied by torturous pain and insanity.

I'm yet to experience any insanity, but I have become worried that my mental haze may be an early stage.

>The Chinese pictogram for Gu yields similar information. Brilliantly exemplifying the multidimensional quality of the symbolist mode of expression, the character Gu captures both the concept of decay as well as its most pertinent cultural and medical manifestations. Since the beginning of Chinese writing approximately 3,500 years ago, it has portrayed either two or three worms squirming in a vessel. In the words of a traditional commentator “Gu is if a cooking vessel remains unused for a long time and worms start to grow in it”.

>This symbol also reflects a bizarre yet widespread practice of ‘black alchemy’. Many traditional medical texts define Gu as the verminous manifestation of evil that appears when a wide variety of toxic worms and insects are locked into a vessel, where they naturally become each others prey. After a period ranging from three to twelve months, only one snake-like worm remains, which is said to contain the vicious and toxic potential of all the others. The ‘seed’ of the ‘Gu worm’ (gu chong), in a procedure of which the technical details remain unclear but which nevertheless can be classified as an early example of biological warfare, was then used to poison other people. The victim of these uncanny machinations appeared to die from a chronic disease and Gu poisoning was thus regarded as a popular way to kill without exposing the attacker a scenario similar to Napoleon’s ‘sickbed’ death induced by small but regular doses of arsenic, the true nature of which came to light only after the advent of hair analysis.

>As in other occult practices, the details of the production and application of Gu poison were kept secret by the communities that commanded them. Although primarily designed to empower their guileful masters by appropriating the victims’ wealth and source energy on both a material and a magical dimension, some practitioners apparently used it to further their political goals. Zhang Jiao for instance, the Daoist wizard and co-architect of the Yellow Turban uprising that toppled the powerful Han dynasty 1800 years ago, is said to have been “a master of Gu, the highly destructive and disorienting effects of which have often been confused with magic”.


 No.104894

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>>104891

>>104892

>>104893

>The ground-up Gu worm was also renowned as one of the most effective remedies against Gu poisoning. So widespread was the production of Gu and anti-Gu substances that entire regions in Southern China became known as commercial Gu centres, similar to villages that base their livelihood on the cultivation of herbs. A host of textual references indicates, moreover, that the Gu phenomenon was deeply entrenched in the habitual texture of Chinese everyday life. Ancient travelers routinely carried rhino horn powder, said to make contaminated food foam, or other ‘anti-evil’ substances such as musk, realgar and garlic.The repercussions of Gu hysteria finally reached a state of intensity that caused the government to intervene. In 598 CE, according to the official dynastic annals, an imperial decree was issued that explicitly forbade the manufacture of Gu worms. Although the widespread application of this misguided alchemical practice has since disappeared, it reportedly survives until the present day among the mountain tribes of Southwest China. [7. See the anthropologist Ma Xueliang’s report on the customs of the Miao people, a shamanic matriarchal society residing at the shores of Lake Luogu in Yunnan: “Guozu de zhaohun yu fanggu” (Spirit Seances and Gu Poisoning Practised by the Luo People), in Yunnan Yizu Lisu Yanjiu Wenji (A Collection of Research Articles on the Customs and Rituals of the Yi Tribes), Chengdu, Sichuan Renmin, 1983.]

https://classicalchinesemedicine.org/gpa/driving-out-demons-and-snakes-gu-syndrome-a-forgotten-clinical-approach-to-chronic-parasitism/

Treatment for Gu syndrome with herbs has been the most effective treatment I have tried so far, but that isn't really saying much. The modern interpretation of Gu syndrome is something like lingering viruses, parasites, dysbiosis, worms, that sort of thing. I suspect this interpretation very much falls short, and that I could make much better progress attacking this from a spiritual angle. Unfortunately I don't really know how to do that. A lot of the traditional knowledge on more esoteric diseases such as Gu syndrome has been discarded or destroyed thanks to China's attempts to make their system of medicine more acceptable to the West, or simply left untranslated due to its obscurity. I'll continue to treat my physical body with herbal medicine, but I'm convinced that I need to find a way to treat the spirit too.

Things I am left wondering about:

- Can anybody point me towards the process of producing Gu worms as a curative? I haven't been able to find the article on the subject mentioned above, let alone an english version.

- Who or what has done this to me?

- Could it be that I was poisoned or cursed by an offended entity during my trips?

- Should I try to go back? Ask for forgiveness? Find another entity that might guide me? I have difficulty trusting such beings now.

- As a last resort, could I pass this on to somebody else instead?

- A different train of thought led me to the possiblity of so-called "shamanic illness". All things considered my condition has led me to a better path - that of a healer. Could this be a rite of passage of sorts?

- My condition shows strong signs of energy depletion. Has my vitality simply been drained somehow?

- Could I restore my vitality with energetic vampirism in some form or another?

- Does /fringe/ have any other ideas or band-aid solutions?


 No.104896

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>>104891

>Am I separate from my body?

Yes. You aren't even really you, you're just a culmination of everything that you have mentally absorbed in the past. Same body could've been born in Alaska and you'd be a completely different person.

>Can consciousness move beyond the flesh?

Big time. Your consciousness will never die. Only your body will. We're all reborn someway.

>Is it possible to get lost, and become permanently separated from your body?

Not necessarily, but upon death yeah.

>Are there really only three dimensions?

There are more that are based on vibrations and frequencies.

>"Stop playing around, fool. You are not ready for this."

That's your own consciousness telling you that. Your body and your mind were excited about the drug, but your soul can speak to you without speaking. This is the concept of vibrations being a sort of universal basis of communication.

>Can anybody point me towards the process of producing Gu worms as a curative?

Unfortunately I can't help you there.

>Who or what has done this to me?

If you have tried to cure this through spiritual means, theres a good chance that its karma catching up with you from a past life. For your benefit, as it can't hurt, I have included this mantra picture to relieve you of all heavy negative karma you've done in your past lives. It will take effect in 15 days.

>Could it be that I was poisoned or cursed by an offended entity during my trips?

Unlikely. Unless that entity was you, the only thing the drugs were doing was opening yourself up in a way you hadn't done before but in a chemical fashion.

>Should I try to go back? Ask for forgiveness? Find another entity that might guide me?

Accept that what happened has happened. The solution will come to you once you've surrendered the notion of the feeling. This takes practice.

>As a last resort, could I pass this on to somebody else instead?

Even if you could, it would be seriously bad karma.

>Could this be a rite of passage of sorts?

Very much so. The universe teaching you through its own lessons so that you can pass them on and help others.

>My condition shows strong signs of energy depletion. Has my vitality simply been drained somehow?

Mentally it is likely, since this has obviously taken a toll on you.

>Could I restore my vitality with energetic vampirism in some form or another?

Again, bad karma.

>Does /fringe/ have any other ideas or band-aid solutions?

Acceptance that the mind is the true controller of the body can heal a lot of things, even my astigmatism temporarily.


 No.104897

Damn.

Made me think of this problem they foind with 5-HTP, although it's probably unrelated. You are probably familiar with it. 5-HTP apparently fucked some people up in ways that are similar to the onset you describe.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7699627

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-Hydroxytryptophan

Your story also made me think something was calling your attention to your shoulder and you shouldn't have ignored it. It's been trying harder and harder since. What if you replicated the trip to see what's going on?

Sounds a lot like a shamanic illness, the kind that initiate you but can also kill you if you fail to follow its guidance accuratelly. Gordon White might be able to give some advice, but you would have to become a premium member of his website (10€/month) and ask him privately.

I don't know man. That's all I can think of. I wish you the best of luck.


 No.104899

>>104896

Thank you for the advice and for this picture. I take everything with a grain of salt, but I'll think carefully about what you've said.

>Karma

If all of this had come about as a result of actual attempts at ideas such as

>pass this on to somebody else

>energetic vampirism

in past lives, that would be most amusing. I probably wouldn't be surprised about it, either.

>>104897

It sounds sort of similar, but EMS and fibromyalgia syndrome (FMS) are different conditions. I've actually tried 5-HTP as a treatment for my condition on the basis that the serotonergic system is involved. It didn't help much, but I didn't get any negative effects from it either. The product quality was good too, so thankfully it didn't add any extra problems to my existing ones.

I have thought of replicating the trip… it is guaranteed to be a difficult experience however. Nowadays when I trip - even on small doses - I become increasingly aware of my pain, and I also return to that fragile state afterwards - plus my fatigue is significantly worsened, for days or even weeks. It is possible that there is something I need to confront there, though.

I've never heard of Gordon White before. What do I need to know about him?


 No.104909

>>104899

He's a literal faggot, as in homosexual, and deals mostly in spiritism, even though he labels himself as a chaos magician. The thing is, he's actually well read (and practiced) in both hallucinogens and shamanic practices. I don't know, but it can't hurt. You can try sending him an email without being a member of the website, but I don't know if he'll bother.

runesoup.com


 No.105841

>a fast-onset lemon tek peak could be easily stacked on top of the peak of a regular trip if the timing was correct… so that's what I tried.

The first time I tried that information was beamed directly at my pineal gland faster than light with a rainbow laser a la VALIS.




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