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>>118220

I've only ever reached a point of feeling bodyless, euphoric, pure and seeing a swirling mass of blue color in my vision. Never really understood how this leads to things like astral travel, but I'd love to.

>Is there any point in keeping this up?

For the purpose of magickal manifestation, yes. I've found that this point of present, pure awareness is what needs to be "impregnated" by conjured-up feelings of a desired state of being. That's basically brought the most powerful manifestations for me.

>>118220

>How did you reach these states of consciousness?

You have to let go of all conscious thought. When I first started doing meditation, I would consciously focus on a chakra, mantra, image etc. This is really good for manifestation, relaxation and healing. However, to reach a higher state of consciousness, you have to silence all conscious activity so the unconscious can come through. Don't focus on the mantra, use the mantra to preoccupy the conscious mind so it shuts up and you can go beyond it. Using this approach, I once had a meditation experience that felt like falling into a realm of non-linear time, ego death, and fractal visuals similar to a shroom trip. It was pure bliss, by far the most profound experience I've ever had.

>Is there any point in keeping this up?

I say it's worth it but fair warning, after my experience, I went through a year-long dark night of the soul. I wanted to go back there so badly but could not replicate the experience. It was a rough lesson, but I realized those kinds of experiences are a gift from the divine. You can't force them to happen, you can only be receptive and grateful when they do happen and let them transform you. Once I internalized that (about three months ago), I started seeing these sparkling lights in the air when I mediate sometimes. It changed my priorities as a magician; I'm less concerned with imposing my will on reality and working more on self-transformation.

>How do you discern dreams from delving into your mind?

When you dream, your conscious mind is in a passive state that can remember the dream but not really affect it. When you are delving in your mind, your conscious is actively interrogating the subconscious. And there are states in between, like lucid dreaming. Discerning the difference just takes practice.

>>118225

Well I will continue, it sounds like I am om the right path, but still far away. Thanks for sharing. Blue is a color that entered my mind when meditating once or twice, but just as a thought..

Maybe I am approaching seeing while meditating all wrong, did you actually see in the beginning or is it more about imagining seeing until your "third eye" opens?

>>118226

Thank you, sounds like what I am searching for. I'm looking to truly know my self aswell, confront aspects of myself in the astral. Maybe finding Jungs library. :^)

Haven't actually tried mantras yet but will now, I need some way to quiet my mind.

Would love to hear more stories, maybe someone here has entered the astral with more intent.

>>118233

The most useful thing for me was understanding the anatomy of the pineal gland (third eye). Look at reptile pineal glands and you can see it more obviously, there are some species that have it further developed so there's a "lens". See pic.

Understand that is *exactly what you have going on* in your brow. The third eye isn't theoretical or a model, it is a physical third eye that is underdeveloped.

Your third eye "being closed" is actually like a man with atrophied leg muscles is "bedridden". On the first day, walking three steps unassisted is a great victory. After a week, making it to the bathroom is possible. After a few months, you're walking like it was never a struggle in the first place.

That's your third eye: A muscle that has atrophied from lack of use to the point where it will take physical therapy to get it back to a healthy state.

All I did, and this may well work for you, is meditate on that space. Just like focusing your vision out of your left or right eye (while keeping both open). Closing your eyes may make it easier, but if you want to develop the Sight, learning to see with all three eyes open is what you need to do.

>>118226

>I started seeing these sparkling lights in the air when I mediate sometimes

Cool to hear someone else share this experience. Difference being it's become nearly constant for me, but I also regularly do 1-5 minute "sits"/micromeditations throughout the day, so my baseline might be closer to meditative.

>>118220

To answer the OP question, obviously yes. The later questions:

>Would the few of you who have experienced something beyond "normie meditation" be willing to share these experiences?

Here's a funnier one just to lighten this board up a bit: One of my first (aware) visions involved me biting my mother's ring off her finger and spitting it into the brush (think Memento when Lenny throws the keys). Later that day my mom came over and was talking about how she lost her wedding ring that morning and couldn't find it anywhere. Cue me sitting in the corner with a Steve Urkle face on: "Did I do that?"

>How did you reach these states of consciousness?

Meditate and let go. Don't try to force the visions, just let them come. They will probably be weird, coherency comes with practice. Pretty sure my first open-eyed vision was of a frog twisting itself into a rope. Don't overanalyze it, and don't ask "is this really happening, am I going crazy?". That shit takes you out of it. Just. Let. Go.

>How do you discern dreams from delving into your mind?

That implies a distinction that isn't present. Your intended question, meaningful dreams vs "dream nonsense" or noise, however: Experience and practice. You figure it out as you go. And you make mistakes along the way.

>Has anyone on /fringe/ gained the wisdom of the waters?

No idea what this means other than the water of consciousness, but I've sipped the mead of poetry for what that's worth.

>>118220

>Has anyone on fringe really gone beyond calm darkness when it comes to meditating?

I've gotten in at least one hour a day of samatha meditation, every single day, for about the past 36 months now that's when I actually got serious about my practice Most of this was just focusing on the breath, maybe 10% of this was mantra practice, and 5% visualization stuff mostly the 9 stages of a decaying corpse Anyways there have been plenty of times when dream-like nonsense floats through my mind, of about the same potency of a thought or daydream, however actual visual consciousness stuff is really goddamn rare in my practice. Of course visions aren't at all what I'm seeking though, if you can say I'm seeking at all in the first place. Mostly I just sit, and what happens happens.

One time I recall sitting down in my room and after 30 mins or so a vision began to form in my half-closed eyelids, to the potency of appearing like normal eyesight, however it was just a mundane vision of my room from another perspective- on the opposite wall and about 6 feet to the left, looking back towards the wall I was sitting near. So I could just barely see myself in the corner of my eye. As I said, it was pretty boring as far as disembodied vision goes.

>>118263

>All I did, and this may well work for you, is meditate on that space. Just like focusing your vision out of your left or right eye (while keeping both open). Closing your eyes may make it easier, but if you want to develop the Sight, learning to see with all three eyes open is what you need to do

In the book Prometheus Rising, the author claims that there are Hindus who constantly and at all times try to retain awareness of this area in the head as a means of attaining enlightenment. I've personally not came across such a thing anywhere else in my studies, but the practice does make some degree of sense to me.

A while ago, perhaps within the last year I've became very much aware of a sensation of pressure inside of my skull, in what feels like the dead center. To me it reminds me of a switch or button of some kind that I can "feel" in a very tangible sense just by focusing there for a moment, an action which calms and centers me a good bit. Do you think this could be the third eye you're speaking of? The idea has struck me before but I've never spoken about it.

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>>118263

Thank you!

I'll try to focus on the pineal gland, it makes sense to me somehow.

Clashes with the UR groups teachings though in that it sort of binds my self to my brain. The UR group/Evola would disagree with that since they have records that say the self would "exist" in the heart, at least while meditating, according to traditional beliefs (In this case they cited a christian monk I believe).

>>118273

Seems I just have to keep going.

Even a boring out of body experience sounds pretty exciting to me tbh

Do any of you guys use music, or do you prefer silence?

I've tried Binaural beats a few times and it does nothing for me, a bit of meditative repeating music can get me pretty relaxed though.

A toxic person is somebody who interferes with your life and has nothing to add to it. They are literally just there to come into your life, shit on you, destroy your shit, and block every pathway to recovery.

They never have a legitimate reason either. Even a prosecutor will fuck off after they get somebody sentenced and they are in prison. When the fuck have you heard of a prosecutor, somebody who made a very fucking active effort to stop somebody who society views as toxic, going into prison to become the murderers life coach? It does not happen, because anybody looking out for your own good will do, and then be done.

I would estimate that 99.9999% of humans are toxic people. I am not saying I have never been toxic, but I actively seek out peaceful resolutions in everything, and my end goal is me doing my shit and you doing your shit, so I have a fucking eternity of peace. Any interactions with other people will always be voluntary, because being a slave is hell. The way the world works is, oh, you have nothing? Well I have everything. Hard work doesn't lead to success. Hard work FOR ME will lead to success. While you were not alive, I was gathering up all the resources in the world, so anytime you need anything you HAVE TO GO THROUGH ME!

100% of relationships can be mutually beneficial business partnerships, no, friendships. You scratch my back, I scratch yours. Everybody on the planet has something to offer. Even if you have to guide somebody through something, you can give them their dignity and help them grow, and you will reap the benefits of that because people lead by good people become *gasp* good people, and LESS TOXIC PEOPLE = COOL WORLD>

So let's think very fucking clearly about what is happening on the planet. Low estimate, I will say as we speak, one million people are using power they have over somebody in a toxic way. There is a Muslim dude who is ugly and stinky as fuck who use using the threat of murder to force a woman to be his slave. Her entire existence is fucking pointless, because anybody that shitty is useless, and so she has to spend all her time propping up the worst fucking person who ever lived. This is, by definition, hell. For no fucking reason either. There is no legitimate purpose to that. For no fucking reason, somebodies sovereignty is taken, and somebody who is intent on taking other peoples sovereignty is the one getting the benefits. Multiple that by like 999999999999 trillion and that is life.

I think it's time to treat these people like murderers, because they assassinate large chunks of peoples lives and usually get away with it. It will be for their own good, because there is a point of no return where nobody will ever want to go near a toxic person again. There are toxic things I did, but after learning about the toxicness, if it wasn't something that I was using against a perceived threat, I would try to stop it. It isn't fucking rocket science figuring out what behaviors of yours are harming others, you just have to get in tune with what is going on around you. A more empathetic world view will just make you smarter, because the more perspectives you have the better you can solve your own problems.

Imagine you're an aspiring basketball player. Your coach has you shooting free throws and working on your dribbling every day in practice for years. Your fundamentals become rock solid, but you still never experience the feeling of winning a game because you haven't even started playing yet. You're just always practicing.

What you've mastered in meditation is the fundamentals. Countless techniques exist that require you to use the ability to clear your mind in order to achieve something, but they will give you additional insight and instructions on how to go even further.

You should begin reading more in order to find a technique, ritual, practice, or whatever that will suit your needs. I cannot tell you where to begin, only to start looking. Your fundamentals seem to be rock solid, but sometimes it's not enough to simply master those. Sometimes a change of pace helps, and it's up to you to go find it. Plenty of people have achieved things through pure meditation, but perhaps you're not one of those people. There's nothing wrong with that (I hope, I'm definitely not one of those people haha), but it can never hurt to change gears every once in a while. Sometimes a change is what's needed in order to make progress.

Have you read the stickied books? Have you explored the mega libraries? Go through those, and I'm sure you'll find at least one thing that piques your interest.

Good luck brodie; godspeed.

>>118273

>Do you think this could be the third eye you're speaking of?

All I can say is that doesn't quite feel like how it's felt in my experience to me. It may very well feel differently to you. Just like how a spirit/egregore I perceive as female may appear as male to you.

I'll meditate on the sensation you're describing and see what comes to me. As far as I can say at this stage: If it feels right to you, do it bro.

>brain tumor

Lol I've had the same thought (so maybe we are experiencing the same feeling but using different words to describe it), but I've created a hand-sigil of swiping my left hand's first two fingers from right to left. A mental backspace. Delete that thought from your mind because you are fully capable of both creating that ailment and curing it based on how you imagine your internal structure to be. The mental image in your head has sufficient power to recreate the physical structure within.

>>118274

>binds my self to my brain

I'd disagree. I see it as something akin to the following. Think of the "space-time grid" pictured. Imagine that ball in the center as being your consciousness/sense of perception, rather than the earth.

Now, one of those lines (in fact, all of them, in all directions, up/down/left/right/forward/center/diagonally) is the direction of your perception of time. Some others are spacial coordinates (longitude/lattitude/altitude on earth, I'm unsure how exactly these would be described in deep space).

The pineal gland, in my view, is basically like the thread connecting "spacetime" to the etheric/astral layered over it, which probably is shaped similarly (the same "3-d grid" image applying, but with the possibility of different densities/focuses within it; these being "bodies" of collected psychic energy; essentially the etheric equivalent of gravity). The "brain" is like a psychic abacus, a supercomputer designed to aide the experience from the other side. The one mirror sees itself, resonance is when two harmonic waves increase the energy of one another. When two densities on two separate wavelengths collide while vibrating at compatible frequencies, the resultant frequency can be higher than either source. This is the purpose of the material plane as far as I can tell: A cosmic echo at a precise angle.

The heart and the breath are both equally important. Something that between a few people I know is baffling is the fact that most mundanes (and even some supposed "witches" or other claimed magic users) are incapable of hearing their own heartbeat after a moment's focus. "Vibration" is essentially a synonym for "heartbeat", and in a manner of speaking "magic" is hypnotizing objects… Finding a resonant wave and amplifying a specific energy within it. Applies to anything from programming a crystal to reading a horoscope to convincing a judge to finding a job or making a sandwich. There are several energies, a harmony is created when they're all resonant; i.e. a complimentary balance between all energies within an area (human body, bedroom, house, neighborhood, city, nation, earth).

I'd just like to start by thanking everyone for posting, every description and tip makes me feel as though I am closing in on my goal. It's nice to know there are other people exploring their spirituality, feel a bit less crazy knowing I am not alone.

>>118279

Your post struck a chord with me, I have read a few of the books, but not many enough most likely. I will spend more time on studies. I wouldn't call my fundamentals rock-solid though :^)

>>118303

That's a tough question, what am I trying to achieve.. I just want to take a step in the right direction. I'd like to meet and talk to people, read books I just want to learn things that I can't while conscious, about my self and what I am.

>>118298

A very nice simile.

I have heard my heartbeat, but only twice.

Really good advice!

Haven't had much time lately but I will meditate on everything soon.

Hopefully I'll leave the city tomorrow where I'll find a bit more peace.