/fringe/ - Fringe

>>12079
http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/blog/2008/08/29/granum-sinapis-anonymous/

English translation of the latter

>>12081

"I am not this. I am not that. I am that I am. *Silence*"

>christian
>mysticism
according to orthodox belief everything on /fringe/ is the work of satan and we are damned for eternity to hell

>>12421
Mysticism often borders on heresy

>>12448
As opposed to any other book?

>>12467
/arcane/ was right, /fringe/ really is full of faggots.

>>12467
Jesus was the original wizard.

have some respect!

>>12467
relevant video

jebus was the original marxist

long-hair
no job
on welfare
preaching egalitarianism

>>12479
Ebin loosh trole man, you're on your way

But for the sake of honesty and to prevent lost loosh, everyone knows Christ has nothing to do with that. He was a tradesman for one.

Marxism has little to do with that either. Marx was a selfish loafer who provided nothing in return but came up with his intellectualized parasitism from the perspective of his friend's couch.

That friend by the way was allowing him to freeload as he made his profits from business. Marx subsisted off the work and enterprise of others without being honest about the bigger picture - typical Jew behavior.

JewMarx was simply seeking a lazier/more efficient way than capitalism to reap the material decadence of Mammon without sacrificing his own lifeblood or providing something of value. At the least a clever salesman, a wielder of word magic.

>>12421
[citation needed]

>>12503
You're as bad as all those people who try to say X was really an incarnation of their favorite deity who is vishnu, krishna, an alien, a consciousness collective etc. They ignore the fact that the separation between on thing and the next is the texture of the universe. Jesus was jesus. Whether he was enlightened or a sorcerer. Whether he acted because he was possessed or not-possessed the man was/is/will be himself only fully forever.

>>12473
t. the only poster on and the creator of the arcane board.

>>12587
I literally posted in the wrong thread. Goddamnit.

>>12526

disappoint.exe

Who gives a fuck if he was a Jew? He had as much of a distaste for their ignorance as we do.

>Jesus as a symbol
>anything as a symbol

Step up your game bro

>should be talking about other individuals
Ok tell me about another individual who was able to perform such supreme magic as to restore a severed body/soul connection, bringing dead men back to life by injecting their bodies with prana and guiding their souls back to their bodies through the astral, literally in minutes.

I think you're jealous mate. But there's no need, he set these examples partly so others could try to match him in excellence. Why not just aspire to that instead of shitting on someone who still looks over us, helping all of our developments.

>tfw haven't read the mystical christianity yogebooks link posted above
Get to it

>all those mundanes seriously thinking Jesus was a Jew
Remeber, Judean got translated as "Jew", everyone who lived in Judea was a "Jew" regardless of religion or ethnicity. Jesus was not a pharisee neither was he of canaanite stock therefore not what we would call a Jew today.

Just common sense.

>>12596
I'd also like to point out to the Christphobes that Yeshua was of Levantine extraction and this correlates with the common depiction of him as a fair-skinned caucasoid man rather than the recent theories and reconstructions claiming that he was a dirty, swarthy jew. It's merely a case of projection on behalf of the people who despised him most.

>>12589
Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are all mystery cults concealing sorcery not enlightenment.

>>12605
From what standpoint?
I've experienced much without sorcery, my friend.

>>12611
From standpoint of one who sees and understands.

Not really Christian occult per se so much as just, you know, Christian, but I'd highly recommend The Great Divorce, Mere Christianity, and especially Till We Have Faces by C.S. Lewis. Looking back on his writings as an adult, that guy was seriously greenpilled.

As for more specifically mystical works, I'd recommend The Cloud of Unknowing (author unknown), and The Dark Night of the Soul by St. John of the Cross. Also, all the works of Thomas Merton.

>>12676

This guy and his symbols.
Why so critical man?

And if this is all bullshit to you, what do you recommend we use to learn then? Srsly you call Yogebooks "jewbooks" and yet I've seen you advise people to read shit W.W. Atkinson has written (the mystical christianity book also being written by him btw).

>>12685
Are you then speaking from personal experiences? Would you share them?

>>12676

>All this is solar bull worship and it is not spiritual, spirituality is individual, internal and not external.

No one is arguing that Judeo-Christianity (what most people refer to Christianity as) is just pure material, external Saturnianism.

The merging of the Jewbook (old testament/torah) with a propagandistic retelling of the story of an enlightened man who traveled to India and studied and achieved self-mastery (new testament/letters of Saul) while conveniently obscuring or leaving all the important stuff out is the perfect way for a failing empire to yoke a diverse number of people together to create a new empire and a new paradigm that can be used to the advantage of the tribe of the hexagon triangle thing. It looks like this was very deliberate and calculated.

No one is arguing against this.

What we *are* arguing against is the idea that Yeshua and what remains of his actual story and teachings should be rejected entirely on the basis that some angry Pharisees hated him and appropriated his story to destroy what remained of his disciplehood, leading to the watered down "christianity" we have today. That's a little like rejecting the cultures and practices of the sunwheel solely on the basis that a certain German political party used it.

For Yeshua's teachings you don't even have to get them from "the bible." There are the apocrypha, dead sea scrolls and the Nag Hammadi library and there are some very interesting things in there.

When we aren't quite free of our ignorance or at least aware of it, we succumb to it. It's used to the advantage of a certain group in order to keep us clinging to dogma and ideology, especially those they created or appropriated for their own ends.

For the longest time I didn't look at Buddha because Nietzsche said Buddhism was weak, and looking at all the mundane hipsters who bandied cute Buddha quotes everywhere I could sorta see where he was coming from, but what Nietzsche was looking at was Buddhism through a poorly-translated Western lens, and not looking at the actual teachings of Buddha.

Later I read Evola's take on the teachings of Buddha as a non-esoteric warrior philosophy (The Doctrine of Awakening), and my life got flip turned upside down. There was something to Buddha's teachings after all.

My point is there are plenty of masters to choose from if you find one's teachings resonate with you more than others. It doesn't have to be Yeshua(Jesus) or Buddha, nor should it only be them.

>>12727
>What we *are* arguing against is the idea that Yeshua and what remains of his actual story and teachings should be rejected entirely on the basis that some angry Pharisees
You're the only one mentioning the pharisee jew. I wouldn't be surprised if it was them who wrote the bible in the first place, because it was just an instrument for political and religious power of a centralist and absolutist kind.

Even common sense has more teachings in life. Just because someone somewhere allegedly spoke of common sense and performed the role of an "Avatar" 2k years ago doesn't mean anything; Because our history is inmense and it's deliberately hidden and warped we can't see beyond without resorting to 'fringe' methods. There most surely was a time thousands of years ago where most people were 'jeshuas, buddhas or lao-tsus' until something happened, like a 'great flood'.

>>12845
>wikipedia says there's no connection, it must be true!

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/matrixofpower/matrixofpower01b.htm

Jesus walks with me

-kanye

I thought Christianity was a bullshit religion until I looked into the esoteric mysticism side of it. I thought it was just "god loves ya" "say three hail mary's and go out and sin whatever" type of religion that the church teaches. I looked into The kabbalah and other juda-christian ideas and it really changed my outlook on the religion. I'd love to learn more. Does anyone suggest any books?

>>17354
The bible would be a start

>>17354

Do check out the Nag Hammadi Library for more Gnostic variant of Christianity.
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlcodex.html

Gospel of Thomas I recommend, especially,
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl_thomas.htm

>>17436
I've read both the hebrew and christian bible along with enoch

>>12076 Riddle Me This: Jesus NEVER ONCE claimed to be the *Son of God* but ALWAYS referred to himself as the *Son of Man*

This is Old Testament Code Speak that YHWH/Angelic Messengers addressed Men called to Prophesy (since spirituals were not begotten)

Posit: Jesus was a Prophet called to Reform the Corrupt Mosaic Religious Establishment and was Murdered for his Pains

Tine for Jews to take Responsibility for BOTH HOLOCAUSTS (70 AD & 1939 AD) as being Punishment from YHWH for Disobedience (and STOP Genociding Palestinis)

>>17548

What's the riddle?
lol

Dude was a spiritual heavy weight, Jesus was a man, who either made himself a receptacle for Christ (a HIGHLY advanced STO being) or was just already an advanced spirit that re-attained nirvana and then decided to spread the good word

>>17548
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life,[a] and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. - John 1:1-5

>one of books you use to define Jesus clearly affirms that he's indeed the Son of God

>Moreover, Jesus rebuked the demons because He didn't want people to make a decision for Him based on intellectual understanding of His Divinity. He'd be surrounded by hypocrites. (that's how I see it, I don't claim to represent all Christendom)

Riddle mostly solved.

>>17753
Greek word for 'word' in that sentence is Logos, reason; use…
Everything is in the plan.

Recently I've been reading into the Cathars. They seem to line up with a lot of beliefs of people here. When you go through their purification ritual to escape the physical world on death and return to the spiritual world of the true god you're supposed to be celibate and vegetarian until death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism

>The idea of two gods or principles, one being good the other evil, was central to Cathar beliefs. The good god was the God of the New Testament and the creator of the spiritual realm, as opposed to the bad god, whom many Cathars identified as Satan, creator of the physical world of the Old Testament. All visible matter, including the human body, was created by Satan; it was therefore tainted with sin. This was the antithesis to the monotheistic Catholic Church, whose fundamental principle was that there was only one God who created all things visible and invisible. Cathars thought human spirits were the genderless spirits of angels trapped within the physical creation of Satan, cursed to be reincarnated until the Cathar faithful achieved salvation through a ritual called the consolamentum.[9]

Obviously they were persecuted.

>>12103
started reading 5 days and i am half way through (tight shedule, reading lots of other stuff aswell, so only +-20/day).. its profound, rational and written in a beautiful and vivid leanguage.

sheds a refreshing and informative light on the occult roots of christianity.

> john the babtist and jesus being high tier Kabbalist and Essenes with profound knowledge of of eastern occultist lores.
> carefully founded on reasonable historic, theological and occult sources.

highly recommend this great read.

>>17354

read >>12103

i wrote this >>18337

>>17752
Brother, just because you have an artificial ceiling over your head, and you're convinced it's the roof, don't nail it over everyone else's heads.
"mysticism" is far more than just visualizing things through a spiritual scope. To put it into better terms, mysticism is receiving visuals (or other sensory input) to build the I AM's kingdom, which is peace, love, and righteousness, often accompanied by miracles, signs, and wonders.
Speaking from personal experiences, no sorcery was involved, only prayer and fasting each and every time I ministered healing with G-D, or spoke precognitively about events that later happened as I spoke about them in advanced.
>>Ultimately, it's all self-seeking, self-pleasing, introverted, and generally incompatible with the pre-Hellenistic Jewish worldview, which is one of the foundations of our faith.
That depends on the hearts of those you've previously encountered. I only do what I see the Father doing. It's the only way the miracle happens. It's the only way that the prophecy will take place. If I were to build my kingdom, it would be finite, and short lived. However, when I position my heart to only build G-Ds kingdom, it always was and always will be eternal.
The hallmarks of that kingdom are healing the sick, casting out demons, and setting people free from bondage.
At it's true heart, Christian Mysticism has nothing to do with Harry Potter.

>>12421
>Orthodox belief
>Literally faux-Greco/Durka bastardization of Christian theology adopted by Slavic heathens for it's appeal to their savagery and barbarism
Why would anyone heed the most heretical of heresies? Besides, I'm an unaffiliated Protestant; Christ never "ordained" anyone to "become" Him, just [b]like[/b] Him, as being Christ-like (literally as God-like as humanly possible) is the only path to heaven. What that entails is largely critical to adherents of all varieties of white/divine/holy, etc. mysticism. What name and set of extraneous precepts you ascribe to it're inconsequential.

>>18936
**its
Minor, but it bothered me.

>>18938

Derp level over 9000

The Infinite has innumerous names. What you call it doesn't matter if you heart is in the right place.

This guy…

Let us go back to the first part of the story. The woman of Samaria is the three-dimensional you, and Jesus at the well is the fourth-dimensional you. The argument starts between what you want to be, and what reason tells you that you are. The greater you tells you that if you would dare assume you are already what you want to be, you would become it.

The lesser you, with its limited focus, tells you, "Why you haven't a bucket, you haven't a rope and the well is deep. How could you ever reach the depth of this state without the means to that end?"

You answer and say, "If you only knew who asks of you to drink you would ask of him." If you only knew what in yourself is urging upon you the embodiment of the state you now seek, you would suspend your little sight and let him do it for you.

Then he tells you that you have five husbands, and you deny it. But he knows far better than you that your five senses impregnate you morning, noon, and night with their limitations . They tell you what children you will bear tonight, tomorrow, and the days to come. For your five senses act like five husbands who constantly impregnate your consciousness, which is the great womb of GOD; and morning, noon, and night they suggest to you, and dictate to you that which you must accept as true.

He tells you the one you would like to have for your husband is not your husband. In other words the sixth has not yet impregnated you. What you would like to be is denied by these five, and they hold the power, they dictate what you will accept as true. What you would like to accept has not yet penetrated your mind and impregnated your mind with its reality. He whom you call husband is really not your husband. You are not bearing his likeness. To bear his likeness is proof that you are his wife, at least you have known him intimately. You are not bearing the likeness of the sixth; you are only bearing the likeness of the five.

Then one turns to me and tells me all that I have ever known. I go back in my mind's eye and reason tells me that all through my life I have always accepted the limitations of my senses, I have always looked upon them as fact; and morning, noon, and night I have born witness to this acceptance.

Reason tells me I have only known these five from the time I was born. Now I would like to step outside the limitation of my senses but I have not yet found within myself the courage to assume I am what these five would deny that I am. So here I remain, conscious of my task, but without the courage to step beyond the limitations of my senses, and that which my reason denies.

He tells these, "I have meat ye know not of. I am the bread that droppeth down from heaven. I am the wine." I know what I want to be, and because I am that bread I feast upon it. I assume that I am, and instead of feasting upon the fact that I am in this room talking to you and you are listening to me, and that I am in Los Angeles, I feast upon the fact that I am elsewhere and I walk here as though I were elsewhere. And gradually I become what I feast upon.

>>18938
>>the enemy can grant false prophets the power to heal and perform miracles if only to duplicitously lead aspirants and innocent brothers astray

Astray to do what? To do only what they see the Father do? It sounds like you have a preconceived concept of anyone who does a miracle to feed/heal/deliver someone.

>>18944
You must be new 'round these parts, and I'm not referring to the board. It's the context and history of a name, friend, not that he used one in the first place.

>>18949
Why, to perform those miracles by pretenses and powers manufactured by forces extraneous the Father (Source/Infinite/I Am, etc.), or demonic/extraterrestrial influence. It's how you wind up with many televangelists, or people like Jim Jones and other leaders of such cults. They HAVE a power masquerading as that of divine by nature, and they use it to influence as many as possible before they're harvested.

On a tangent to christian mysticism, what do you guys think of spiritual warfare / deliverance ministry?

>>18936
>new age protestant
>talking down to the original Church of Christ
>talking down to the highly traditional and religious Greek and Slavic cultures
lmao schlomo

why is gnostic christianity superior to calvinism?

>>19172
Based weev, love that cunt. redpilled/10

>>12526
sweet bro i do taichi feels great

>>19179
because
Gnostic : Know
You know it.
it's the same thing surviving from the nordic equivalent, 'The Way'

>>12404
Viewed, downloaded commented, favorited, le upboated, subbed, and shared XDDD

>>19172
Manlets, when will they learn?

>>12076

isn't it basic christian belief that practicing magic is a pretty major sin?

>>21718
I remember so. But isn't it weird that Jews can practice their Kabbalah (which is magic), and saints can do miracles (which is also magic), but no one else is allowed to because it's apparently sinful for some to practice magic, while it's OK for the others?

>>21718
>>21721
There always was a difference between magic praticed through God and apart from God. Magic forbidden by these religions is the one that involves having the practioner in the position of God or dealing with other beings as if they were God. Being a vessel of God and doing His work and through Him was not a problem.

And there's also the use of herbs, astrology, talismans, sympathetic magic, which were all common practices even through the middle ages and among clerics, and lost themselves more because of scientificism than because of religions.

>>12474
Jesus wasn't a wizard, he was a Judean Hermetic Prophet who literally had some of the powers of the Ark of the Covenant who spoke from the 7 heavens, much like Krishna 3,200 years before, but not entirely the same person. He was gifted Hermetic Magi powers by the 3 wise men as well as powers of the Tanakh as Moses had, so that a touch from him and a few words could do what a 12 syllable name of god ritual could do for the old Hebrews.

You might also want to look up what other things were happening around the world in the century Krishna came down.

>>22824
31st century.