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Native Americans and shit just had fucking tribes and worked together. Every single person on the planet who thinks that a magical piece of paper or coin has any value is delusional and part of the same cult. You have to completey cut yourself off from money to see reality for the first time. If it means you end up homeless whatever. Obviously for the time being you have to use some shit in fake world but rock bottom is very important to save yourself. This is very similar to the ego destruction, ego and money work together. The purpose of celebrated people and politicians is constantly re attaching the chains to people. They also create new ones. They are aware of what I am saying but instead of choosing the reasonable and winning path they exploit this knowledge for pointless selfish gains. A family of ten can operate with every person being treated equally and everyone can end up successful. This is literally communism, but let's distance ourselves from that word and maybe call a new system empathism or something. It's not that hard you just be the change you want to see. I ran experiments my entire life and you can create psychic bonds with norms and everyone just gives in a little takes a little etc etc . Eventually all these people failed and went back to sucking societies dick, but progress was made. I don't know what the fastest solution is but some humility must be employed for the time being. Also, you must use this chaos as a learning experience, because how would you know how bad evil capitalism is without seeing it? Once you clear out the bullshit you just use your will and get shit done. USE THE FORCE! please tell me you were watching star wars and Lord of the rings the same way i was… Shit like that is the real Bible. Ignore every single thing outside of your goal and you will accomplish anything. The word demon most likely originated from the psychotic entitited that ruin everything. A name was assigned to these people. They are still very much alive, and I'd say most of the world is corrupted. Most have been uncorrupted for periods , but saurons pull them back to retardation . Money is going to be destroyed and all things everyone need to survive will be free, but it won't happen unconditionally, then after that markets separate from necessities for living will emerge so those who need to feel special can have containment arenas to battle in.

Years ago I was in an internet community filled with racists, empaths, blacks, whites, rich, poor, trannies , hentai masturbators, purists, meth heads, Asians, conspiracy theorists, status quo lovers, schizos, people who eventually died from suicide or heroin, musicians, businessmen, homeless people, everyone was there and just interacted. Everyone hated each other too. The most fucked up shit was said. We all grew in our own way together. We didnt even like eachother and most just moved on but we all knew it was good to interact for that time. No like literally wed be on a teamspeak serve and call black dude nigger or make fun of dudes dead cancer dad or the dude who stuck things upp his ass while banging a Fleshlight on stickam or the dude who shot heroin and cut himself on cam before eventually killing himself to evolve beyond this mundane world, then we'd play wow or counter strike like nothing happened. That is how people actually interact. This fake political battlefield is completely manufactured by evil people because they hate the people they thought were below them being free. Everyone actually gets along perfect without faggot kike Berg and his army of jewish tech aristocrats. They are living in a borderline schizo reality where they have to torture and kill people to save them. Dont even attempt to understand that shit because its just as dumb as it sounds. Just cut off screeching media and it's celebrity minions and then get back to pushing forward and adventuring a little bit. It will happen overnight, all this artificial SUFFERING will fuck off and things will happen again. Probly will happen because Marcus Douchefaggotberg will break a fingernail and need surgery. Funny how im an anti semitite but ended up with a bunch of Jews the one day and even they thought zuckerman was a useless douche. I ain't worried bout nothing just doing my thing and practicing patience because nothing I will is temporary.

I made a great typo there. Nothing i want is temporary but wrote nothing I will is temporary. I guess i dont want anymore I will. I don't want, I will. Words are a great way to do magic and it's what I'm doing now.

Something as simple as not driving while too drunk is a magic skill not everyone has. No matter how great you think you are overconfidence may get the best of you and you end up going from dry to alcoholic or think you can drive after getting wasted. Then you kill somebody and your life is ruined. You could also be driving after overworking and mjssing a meal and get in a wreck that leaves you paralyzed. A few simple rituals to get your head clear and body stable and you dont have to worry about dying. I drive for a living abd every day is a battle for survival. A few close calls made me go wait, hold up, stop, rreevaluate your entire life. Make adjustments right the fuck now before you die. Magic is just taking control. I hate to create a potential disaster to deal with later but there are no limits. If you become a problem though, I only get better by playing a better opponent so bring it on Kirstin dunst

It's about bringing about tangible changes in the 'physical' world -or 'IRL world' to use your own terminology- by means of your own mental faculties (like concentration and willpower). Something like changing your height should be possible.

That's the way I see it.

>>125639

>It's about bringing about tangible changes in the 'physical' world -or 'IRL world' to use your own terminology- by means of your own mental faculties (like concentration and willpower).

the first time someone told me this i understood that it could mean that making coffee is magic

i never thought that you can make changes that defy natural sciences with a ritual

>>125629

depends on what you want

i suggest you read the following books:

the secret teaching of all ages

autobiography of a yogi

falun gong

this >>125644 is a very good thought

either look upon everything as magical or nothing as magical

if i were to tell you that i could press a wall at a certain spot and the room will be flooded with light, you'd think i'm a magician if you didn't know about electricity

and what's more usefull:

materialising a coin out of thin air or not being angry for a whole year?

>>125664

>depends on what you want

a measurable physical change that could not be change in another way

i choose'd the height example because you can make a lot of changes in your body without "magic" (for bigger muscles, you gotta exercise, there are stuff for a bigger penis, etc.) but you can not change your height without a surgery

if magic is just a psychological thing, i can make rituals to feel taller, but when i measure my height it will be the same

yes, i lurk /fit/ and i'm not a native english speaker

>and what's more usefull: materialising a coin out of thin air or not being angry for a whole year?

i would choose the coin, not because i am greedy, but because it defies the natural sciences

>>125688

sort of interesting that a lot of people think that way, though. assigning "negativity" (or maybe badness/evil would be better words) to some emotions and "positivity" to others.

Magic cured my hemorrhoids.

>>125708

Well how did you do it?

>>125644

Generally you can't defy them, for me it's more about mastering your own mind and mental state. So that you can control yourself to be in a mental state that would help you accomplish life goals you set for yourself. You make an oath to yourself, a secret to actually commit to your success and then accomplish it. Meditation, introspection and a great deal of occult books are about this (not really about sorcery as in performing rituals or the like).

>>125688

For most people a state of anger is not productive and to be avoided. The anon should have stated instead that you will find it very easy to align your emotions with your endgoal. Not being in control of your emotions, feelings, destiny and needs in life would make you vulnerable to emotions (not just anger) that can be destructive towards your goals. One that is frequent in the west would be laziness or being contend with current situation so you never set out and do what you want.

So, can you actually cast lightning bolts with magic?

Also, is psionics real?

>>125665

yes, things like that are possilbe

science is just observation and prediction

if science didn't know what electricity was you'd call it magic, but it's not

or everything is magic

there also is a 'science' to miracles but in recent years 'science' has become equivalent with materialism

if you wnat to watch something interesting, i suggest this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRSBaq3vAeY

also, reading a bit through this site, i think it would be best for you to come here

the knowledge seems to be very sparse or false

read the books is suggested (>>125664) and after that, when you know what you want, maybe look through 4chan's /x/'s /omg/ library

i don't know what you want exactly but once you've read 'the secret teaching of all ages' you'll know ther's a cost to performing black magic and hopefully you won't do anything to hurt others or anything you'll regret later

>>125772

in the time when the buddha lived, ther also lived a yogi at the river ganges

he wanted to attain the ability of walking on water

for that he trained

for twenty years he trained but he couldn't do it

then the buddha came to his village and the yogi asked him:"why can't i wlak on water? can you show me how to do it?" and the buddha answered: "just pay a boat to transport you to the other side"

why wouls you want to cast lightning when you could just buy a gun

also read >>125664 and >>125799

>>125799

whoops

*would be best not to come here

>>125772

That's theoretically within the realm of possibility but I doubt there's many magicians with that level of power here on earth.

As for psionics, that's essentially what actual, non bullshit occultism magic is. Telekinesis, telepathy, (accurate) divination, etc. Actual tangible effects in the physical world.

the way I see magic is that if you do spells that it possibly creates a

cascade of events that may bring your desired response,

the way I look at it these days is that if you want to get taller then

part of the reality is all the chemicals & drugs at our disposal,

when casting spells you don't know the season for fruit to ripen,

near all my spells are on myself cuz I'd rather change myself then

change my surroundings, to change yourself has more applications

than screwing with the world around you,

after casting spells to be able to understand your dreams so as to

get a ballpark guess on your spells or to read the spirit that will

often but not all the time talk of your spells though from my experience

you'll always be disappointed with timing for results,

but like I said, with all the chemicals & artificial substances out there these

days it is something to think of when wanting results of spells that

are impossible due to generally unknown affects of these substances which

would IMO work to benefit those types of spells, as well trying to be proactive,

>>125632

What if you don't just "become homeless," but earn this phony paper but by doing something at least decently fulfilling and then turn your paper into actual things? Like land? Is that still being stuck in the system?

I've been doing craft to create rains & not snow this winter, globally,

last night I had a dream of a cracked egg sitting in a glass of water,

btw, in the esoteric I am an egg not a scorpion,

>>125853

if it rains in Russia this winter you are welcome,

dawn of a new age,

people might need a hero, but they need a destroyer even more so,

>>125839

magic is very real, casting spells is very real, I've seen it,

you can't tell the timing for results but yeah it's real,

I've learned my methods of casting spells by watching people

play head games, by observing these people I adopted my own

methods of casting spells,

I've been experimenting with putting a glass bottle with saline &

sugar inside as well as a magnet & putting the bottle on my speaker

then pouring the water into the sink,

my effort is to affect the weather like the 10 plagues of Egypt, so far

it's been warmer this winter with no ice, still cold enough to wear

a coat, I pour the solution down the sink maybe twenty times a day

to really try to bang the nail in,

we'll see what this winter holds,

in the bible Elisha asked an Israeli leader to hit some arrows on the

ground, Israel only had so many victories in battle at that time as

many times the guy hit the arrows on the ground,

>>125629

>what is magic

Reality manipulation, usually, if you're smart, through the manipulation of probabilities.

>can they make IRL changes

Theoretically yes, but it's a stupid idea to do so. Magic works through the subconscious. The people actively doing it just train their subconscious to be better at manipulating reality, but that doesn't mean that others don't do it naturally to a smaller extent.

That means that if you want to change something that is observed by others, you're actively fighting against their subconscious when manifesting it.

Probabilities meanwhile are not consciously observed and therefore are a lot easier to manipulate, meaning bigger effects for less effort (Look at Dee and the Spanish Armada for an example of this).

It's also usually better to do magic for results and let the universe pick the means, because it's not unlikely that the means you picked will not necessarily lead to the result you hoped for.

>>126136

I assume that in order to activate your ability to manipulate the subconscious mind, that it would be advisable to practice cultivating thoughtforms, and fuck around with le meme magic. Then again, I'm a fringe newfig. Am I wrong?

Yes. Memes are not magic in the sense that satisfies me. Meme nearly has the same meaning as the word fad or trend. It's just a popular concept that circulates.

But magic lies elsewhere. True magic, I mean. In fact, these idiots even here are playing middleschool witch with their feeble attempts at weather manipulation.

ALL EFFECTS MUST HAVE A CAUSE.

And that cause must be the rightful cause. Not some made up bullshit. You can have your weather manipulation, but you can't get it for free. I'm not about to quote Full Metal Alchemist or Captain Planet, but if weather is to be changed, you must actually change it. You need to get a lot of water really high in the sky if you want it to come down as rain.

Hopes and dreams ain't gonna cut it, kid.

>>126176

All effects have a cause, but that cause may be in the present and the effect in the past. Action at a distance is thus conceivable through current interpretations of mainstream quantum mechanics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed-choice_quantum_eraser

>>128941

Forgot to add, on top of mainstream ideas out of chaos theory i.e. the butterfly effect, the actual potential for action at a distance based on retroactive causality could be endless.

Look up the equations of magic in the book Liber Kaos by Peter J Carroll. The author takes a non-dogmatic and results focused stance on magic. He talks about The various factors in making a change in your reality, both that work for you and against you. the biggest takeaway is that you need to have high levels of concentration and a strong link to whatever you wish to change. A factor that works against you is how much you desire the outcome.

>>128945

I got started in the magick world through chaos magick. It is the perfect way to get into magick because it focuses on pragmatism, critical thinking, and mental fluidity (don't stay stuck in one paradigm, shift your beliefs, work within multiple frameworks, don't be stuck up with you preconceived notions about reality but be ready to take on new assumptions at a whim and to throw away old beliefs if necessary and revive them later a time if necessary. Even though I like Hermetics so much and know it to be truth, I wouldn't have figured out how true it is, had I not got my start in chaos magick first.

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>>125688

Replying to old digits. This is true, but you need to know what you're doing. Otherwise anger and negative emotions in general will fuck you up if you keep them close without control.

Actual example: if you cast a curse and output a lot of negativity but fail to connect energetically with your target before you open the floodgates, you will create a cloud around you that will affect you more than your target. Also that's why you should learn when to banish after a ritual and when not to.