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Why are you posting statements in the form of questions? You clearly have your heart set on thinking of schizophrenics like new age bitches think of autists so either formulate your thoughts into firm stances or get off the pot.

>>13603
Actually, I don't smoke weed, I don't do any drugs as a matter of fact.
And to address the first part of your post, I was hoping to encourage a discussion on the subject.

>>13605
OP the full phrase is take a shit or get off the pot. It's an expression of impatience. Please talk to people more.

And for the discussion, I've dealt with mentally addled people with spiritual leanings and I must say I'm not impressed. Perhaps there's some hidden depths I missed, but to my eye they seemed as spiritually addled as they were mentally. Their sensitivity seemed that of a broken leg, not of keen senses which is perhaps why they had such sad personal lives. Now I also met a few people from that background who went on to become quite fine at what they did, but I got the impression their strength came from overcoming their weaknesses, rather than from their conditions directly.

>>13606
I've never heard that expression used by anyone, maybe it's a regional thing.
As for the second part of your post, I agree that many of them are "spiritually addled", mainly because (in my opinion) they don't have any "peace of mind" (literally, figuratively, and metaphysically).
For example, lets say there's a case of a schizophrenic who says that "the devil talks to him or her", someone like this clearly doesn't have much (if any) control over their own mind, however, how do we know that "the devil" (or something, not of this dimension) isn't in fact talking to them.
Someone like this, would need to literally find "peace of mind", possibly through some sort of meditative exercises because it would sound to me that someone with this problem would have the metaphysical flood gates completely open, without any sort of "spiritual filter".
This might also explain as to why recent studies have hinted that meditation may be good for treating schizophrenia.

>>13608
OP please don't ask people to try to prove a negative. And I find you're other points overly speculative. Why are you convinced that these things should be the case rather than something else.

>>13612
I'm just throwing it out there as a possibility.
Why are you so convinced that it's utterly impossible?

How to produce a "schizophrenic", a guide by a Fringe Wizard

Step 1. Raise a child in such a way that the child starts to use his imagination a lot and then ignore him. Let his imaginal powers develop naturally and without direction on their own. Soon your child will likely have its own tulpa and other highly developed thoughtforms at a young age. Your child's mind will be extremely powerful… but you will neglect it and encourage the wrong kind of thoughts that will later destroy your budding schizophrenic.
Step 2. Encourage a hostile, fearful, and intolerant view of the unseen and imaginal. Plant suggestions in your child that if they hear voices or see things others don't, this is a bad thing, and bad things will come of it. Expose them to a media and other people that reinforce this view further, further adding to the negative suggestions given to your little schizophrenic in the making. Either a Christian view that deems every unknown entity as "demonic" and of an evil nature or a Fedora view that deems everything delusions and bad will create the just right setting to encourage an experience and interpretation that will lead to the destruction of your child.
Step 3. As they develop problems because of your dismal approach to the matter, your ignorance and shitty suggestions, etc. get them to read a the schizophrenia symptoms list and identify with the "schizophrenic" label. Nevermind that if various holy figures from the past lived today they'd be branded schizophrenics and so on… if one is not critical one can easily identify with pretty much any psychiatric label as they tend to list exactly the symptoms that… everyone experiences at some point in their life.
Step 4. Belief that they are "schizophrenic" firmly cemented make them believe the problem is with their self, keep them away from occult knowledge, or any shamanistic/animistic cultural influences as would be present in any healthy tribal society. Do not recognize them as a person with a great power and higher calling who could play a special role in your society and overcome the black night of the soul and be a great spiritual leader for your people. Make them believe they can't be cured and the only solution is to see a shrink… never mind that shrinks have a HORRIBLE track record with this shit and never actually fix anyone but often times make it worse and drive these people to an early suicide.
Step 5. Give them psychiatric drugs that fuck them up even more. Avoid yoga, meditation, healthy diet, exercise, etc. Encourage intake of fluoride and other terrible substances, tell them they're paranoid if they show any resistance. Don't suggest they could learn to navigate the mental planes (astral planes) and the physical world together with training. Don't even consider the possibilities at all. The important thing here is to utterly destroy their mind, end their ability to visualize, to thoughtform, etc. and if ever it comes back for a moment fuck their minds over again. Turn them into unstable mental cripples.
Step 6. Show footage / videos and so on of other schizophrenics to illustrate how "crazy" they are and further reinforce the idea that schizophrenics are delusional and have a "mental problem" and need to be in a psychiatric ward. Crazy people acting crazy right? This totally justifies what psychiatry does to these people right…? In general reinforce the whole "schizophrenia" myth.
Step 7. Get them to visit shrinks who will tell them there's something wrong with them more, further pushing psychiatric propaganda on them, and get them locked up in a mental institution if you can too with other "crazy" people. Continue to reinforce the idea that they are "schizophrenic" and hopeless and to continue looking up to the shrinks for help even though they never fucking help.
Step 8. Watch it all unfold. Your "schizophrenic" will fail to get better, will believe the bullshit you fed them, will never figure out how to manage its "condition", and will develop more and more problems due to the abuse and drugs and other variables all combining to fuck them over. Just attribute it all to the "schizophrenia" though. They will become homeless and some shrinks will get more money and get to bullshit to others that they're just trying to help others. Don't imagine for a moment how you'd turn out of if put in the same situation and told you're crazy and drugged and so on by a bunch of shrinks.
Step 9. Wait for your schizophrenic to off itself by accident or by suicide as its out of control thoughtforms utterly fuck it over.

>>13608
The problem here is "the devil" is a fucking retarded label and means nothing. We need to look past the label that the entity gives itself or that the person describing it gives it and examine the entity for what it really is capable of and what it actually does. "The Devil" is just a name.

Christ-tards and Fedoras are both ignorant. People interpret things through their culture and both are sick cultures in their current dominant form. Eventually we wizards of the Fringe will construct a new a and more enlightened culture that truly understands what it means to live in a Mental Universe.

"THE ALL is MIND; The Universe is Mental." — The Kybalion.

>>13626
>Eventually we wizards of the Fringe will construct a new and more enlightened culture that truly understands what it means to live in a Mental Universe.

This is something I have dreamt of for some time. But first we ought to study and practice, thus developing our intellect, spirit and wisdom, and then we can pioneer this new culture.

>>13634
The culture grows with us. Already there is a /fringe/ culture and it will continue to develop, evolve, and grow in vibrancy with us as our power and influence grows. It doesn't matter if we are a small minority and very exclusive, in the long-run we will survive and flourish and our lineages shall take over this realm, and the mundanes will destroy themselves with their own vice and lack of understanding or else triumph over their own shortcomings and shape themselves into beings worthy of the future Earth cultures.

…and we are not a dead culture. We are alive and we can change and refine ourselves. What we do hold onto will only be that which is worthy of preservation.

>>13626
That's why I was putting "The Devil" in quotes.

>>13624
This is one of the best posts I've read on the subject.

Also, here's a video by Alan Watts called: The Value of A Psychotic Experience, he talks about a lot of the same things you mentioned in your post.

>>13596
Schizophrenia can also be occur after encephalitis. I don't think brain damage after due to a inflammation of the brain leads to "a high degree of psychic abilities". These people are just fucked in the head everything else is very likely just wishful thinking.

I am a practicing occultist who is also schizophrenic. AMA. When I am having an episode (they usually last around a month) its like dreaming while awake. My delusions are that I'm dead and/or have died many times, usually related to alien abductions and encounters with spirits (notably sirens and will-o'-the-wisps), have heard the song of the sirens and have gained all knowledge and enlightenment because of it, that because of schizophrenia I have ascended into a higher (specifically 7th; not sure how I came up with that number) plane of being and that all my hallucinations are just me approaching the 'true' reality, that the TV controls people's thoughts, and that I can interact with spirits and demons and angels.

I generally still think the last two ones are true though. The disease has caused me a lot of issues and I have no doubt that it is real (just look at any distraught homeless person on the street muttering to people that aren't there: living proof of mental illness), but I definitely agree with you guys that it takes on a very mystic quality and is way more complex than the traditional psychological model.

When psychotic I feel elated like I've discovered a great and holy truth. The people that say that schizophrenia isn't real are usually just people who have no experience with the disease other than what they perceive in movies and tv shows, usually having no idea how devastating it can be. I've almost died or been arrested many times. I've been catatonic, unable to bring myself to move, completely severed and non-responsive to external reality. It's hard to understand just how much this shit can FUCK you up. Have you ever spoken to someone with severely scattered thoughts? It's another language.

My therapist thinks all the times I've summoned demons and angels were just hallucinations, but I just can't believe that. It's just way more complicated than that in a way I can't explain. I see schizophrenia as an esoteric gift, but just with an extraordinary inconvenience in practical, mundane reality.

>>13697

What is the best thing to email someone with schizophrenia?

I want this person to realize what she is capable of. I have a strong feeling she already knows, but I'm not entirely sure and I wanted to send her the best possible sequence of words that will make her realize she is not "crazy," no matter how hard society and it's spiritually bankrupt institutions try to convince her that she is.

She is literally one of the most brilliant people I've ever met in my life.

I over think everything, especially emails. What would you suggest I send someone with a condition such as yours who might be unaware.

>>13698
Not sure really; not too good at interpersonal things. But I guess just tell her that she's capable of a lot of things that she may not realize without being too specific? But I need some context though. Is she like a friend or a formal acquaintance and does she believe in the paranormal or not?

My experiences with schizophrenia are like being on the outside of an inside joke of a secret psychic club.

Being on the outside of it the psychic experiences are annoying/useless (although they change according to who you 'let in' or associate with) and people are talking about you due to thoughts leaking out.

Schizophrenia is not real; made up disease to stop the awakening

https://freedomboard.kirara.ca/fringe/res/1933.html

Schizophrenics are the Third Eye Awakened Wizard Master Race

https://freedomboard.kirara.ca/fringe/res/4031.html

12 Part essay that exposes psychiatry as a bogus science
http://antipsychiatry.org/

Inventor of ADHD: “ADHD is a fictitious disease”
www.currentconcerns.ch/index.php?id=1608

Co-Founder of DSM admits there is no way to scientifically prove that mentall illness is real
www.cchrint.org/psychiatric-disorders/psychiatrists-on-lack-of-any-medical-or-scientific-tests/

One year old babies and younger being put on psychiatric drugs
http://www.infowars.com/babies-on-psychiatric-drugs-crime-with-no-punishment/

Psychiatric Drugs Shorten Life Span by 15 years on average
www.stopshrinks.org/reading_room/antipsych/psych_drugs_shorten_life.html

Psychiatry is based on lies and falsehoods
http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/the-lying-liars-who-lie-about-psychiatry/

Psychiatry is a fake science
http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2012/09/05/more-evidence-psychiatry-is-a-fake-science/

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industrypsychiatry26.htm

Every human emotion is now a "mental illness"
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industrypsychiatry27.htm

Ten Myths about Psychiatric Drugs
http://www.metzelf.info/information/myths.html

Studies show psychiatric drugs have no benefits and are dangerous
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/three-new-studies-show-%E2%80%9Cpsychiatric-drugs-provide-no-benefit-and-are-dangerous%E2%80%9D/

Psychiatry is now giving 3 year old children drugs
http://www.anh-usa.org/medicaid-psychiatric-drugs/

Psychiatric drugs make you sicker
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/2012/03/05/are-psychiatric-medications-making-us-sicker/

A few free eBooks talking about how psychiatry is a massive hoax
http://www.psychiatric-help.org/PSYCHIATRIC-HELP/default.asp

A list of THOUSANDS of psychiatrists who have committed crimes against their patients
http://www.psychcrime.org/database/

>>13697
>(just look at any distraught homeless person on the street muttering to people that aren't there: living proof of mental illness)

That's not proof of mental illness AT ALL.

Use some reason guys.

What are mental illnesses?

Classifications of different types of persistent mental states which are disordered enough to interfere with everyday life or standard of living.

Do these states exist?

Yes.

Does that mean our societies classifications are always or even usually useful, accurate, appropriate, etc?

No.

The map is not the territory.

How we treat distressing mental states is very primitive and most of the time professionals are dismissive, reductive and cold when dealing with patients. This might be useful in some cases, such as those who are manic or truly losing it who need to be calmed down and straightened out, but there are also people who NEED warmth and encouragement to live more rich lives and get the absolute opposite.

Shamanism and mental hospitals are two approaches to similar phenomenon. Both can be appropriate and inappropriate BUT depending on prevailing worldview -of the individual-, rather than prevailing worldview of society. In the end it's not a hard science with definitive answers so it should be up to the free market and individual choice in my opinion. That said there are people who need institutionalisation, however barbaric that process is.

>>13891

Would you prefer a state sanctioned acceptable and enforced reality?

>>13915
I just don't give a shit about that state-whatever dichotomy.

Dressings are dressings, an occult elite shall always rule all.

>>13608
>I've never heard that expression used by anyone, maybe it's a regional thing.

if by regional you mean "is common in the language called english", yes, it's entirely regional.

>>13780
Lol, again: these are the kinds of people who have no experience with schizophrenia. I need antipsychotics to function. And that's not something that's just been drilled into me by psychiatrists (and I AGREE wholeheartedly that the industry is sick and fucked up and commercialized); you don't want to see me unmedicated.

All things that I've done without medication:

-Wander around on the streets barely clothed, ignoring the 'are you okay's from passerby

-Try to steal bones from an abandoned graveyard, as per instructions from the sirens

-Try to drown myself because I thought the world was fake and that I would wake up

-Run in front of the street because I thought the lights of the incoming cars at night were spirits coming to save me from this world

-Try to use the mirror as a device to travel between parallel universes

-While at the mental hospital, I tore my clothes apart and tied the strands into strings and used the strings to tie around a piece of paper with a phone number I wrote down on it that I believed would bring me a taxi that would take me away from the universe

You tell me, is it an illness or not.

>>13781
What would you call that then? Debilitating enlightenment?

>>13975
Actually, certain expressions are regional, y'all, for example is primarily used in the south. With that said, not everyone uses the same expressions as you do.

>>13624
This post really hit home. I've been diagnosed with Bipolar disorder type 2, with psychotic features, and possible borderline schizophrenia, though, I'm medicated as hell, so they're debating. But, growing up, my mother used to tell me I was schizo "like my grandmother".

She did exactly EVERY. SINGLE. STEP. listed here…and reading this post made my life flash in front of my eyes. She thought I was some sort of freak, or monster, because of what I saw. I used to "voice" (speak for) my thought-forms, by pretending each one. For example, I had several male ones (because I grew up without a dad), and so I'd lower my voice, and pretend to speak like a man. My mother said she honestly thought someone was in the room with me, and she'd check…a lot. Sometimes, I wonder if it was even my voice coming out at all.

Thanks for the post, though, depressing as it may be.

Every statement made in these threads about schizophrenia is amazingly inaccurate. Please bother to at least define the phenomenon you are discussing in a consistent manner.

If you are trying to define something that isn't clinical schizophrenia(which is DEFINED by a loss of normal function or significant distress from certain mental effects) then please use a different word.

Until then, the current idea that schizophrenia is a malfunction in the brain's ability to prioritize seems most likely.

>>14050
Yep, most of these people are sheltered children who don't know what mental illness is.

>>14055
I'm certain people are not sheltered children. There's no reason to call a person that, knowing that they come to places like this.

However, the prevailing "common idea" of schizophrenia is inaccurate beyond measure, and is starting to have real effects on helping those afflicted. Being labeled a schizophrenic carries negative connotations. Much like the "sociopath", it will probably get a new name in the next few years.

It's just an important part of learning and debate that is very difficult for many people to get. You have to carefully and consistently define the thing you are talking about, or all of your statements have no meaning.

The problem here is not the latest advances in science, technology and medicine to treat someone's problems. It is modern society's smug and often arrogant viewpoints and tendency to dismiss older, alternative or just different forms of treatments. People simply do not have an open mind, especially when you start talking about things they have been conditioned from birth to believe is "crazy talk."

In those South American 4th World Amazonian Tribes, kids born with "schizophrenia" are labeled by their communities as spiritual healers, or born shamans. These kids are guided from birth to not fear their condition and understand it. You don't see these "primitive" people throwing these kids into some special ed cage across the river for the rest of their life. These "schizophrenics" grow up to become some of the biggest assets of their community.

With that being said, I still support modern medicine, and everything should be tried once to see if it helps. But if it doesn't? Antipsychotics help people with the condition. They also do the opposite in many cases. People are different.

As of today, no pill has come out that magically turns everyone with the condition into a "normal" human being, or at least what modern society considers a normal human being.

Why not offer this sort of guidance that these amazon tribes are doing until a proper pill is designed.

Where is the balance?

One side is completely against modern shit, the other side is absolutely closed off to the alternative mystical narrative. See what works best. Maybe a combination of both. Or one or the other.

>>14087
While you have a point, and many alternative perspectives(such as schizoid personality disorder, ugh) have been "pathologicized" for no reason other than to try to create the next medication sensation.

However, this is not an old perspective. People who suffer the illness enough to require hospitalization do not have anything that could be considered a perspective at all -just formless terror that turns them into absolute jelly, unable to even form a conversation with another human being.

The girl I shared a room with in the hospital I was at constantly demanded the lights be on, because she was convinced that the darkness was a physical, tangible thing that would crush her alive if she was ever not in the light. It was debilitating to her every sundown.

What spiritual value is there in that? If there is any, she had no ability to find it without serious psychological counseling and some antipsychotics.

People often also forget that putting someone in a good mental hospital will help to remove them from the stressors that caused them to break in the first place, and antipsychotics are only administered some time into their stay. Quite often, they recover on their own just from being away from the stress, and this is a thing accepted by medical science.

>>14100
A great many physical illnesses are defined by a loosely held set of symptoms when their cause cannot be discerned.

Universally, these syndromes carry the writer; "To a degree causing personal distress or loss of function."

>>14109

Like I said

>Maybe a combination of both.

If normal human beings are capable of going from being mindless media zombies to levels of spiritual awareness, I don't see how certain people with mental disorders aren't capable if not more capable of the same.

>>14113
That's fair. I just oppose the idea that it creates some kind of heightened state of spiritual awareness where you are suddenly conversing with gods. That's a proposal based on an assumption of it being a disease about talking to disembodied voices in your head, which just isn't true.

I make no argument that it permanently locks you out of any spiritual experience, just that what people here assume it to be is so far removed from anything resembling truth that the argument itself has no meaning.

>>14113

>addendum

Especially people with conditions such as schizophrenia or bipolarity are more likely to become spiritually aware faster than an average human being if guided in the right manner using both modern treatments along with REAL Spiritual guidance.

>>14117

>which just isn't true.

That's a bold statement. How do you know for sure? You are being just as one-track minded as the people you are arguing against.

Even a completely normal human being in a completely sober state of mind has voices talking to them in their head.

When they go to the grocery store and try to pick what cereal they will buy, they have more than one voice in their head trying to factor in their favorite cereal versus how much money they can spend versus cheaper versions. One side is telling them to go all out and buy two boxes of Kellogg while the other voice is telling them to buy the store brand to save money and so on.

Whether the voice or voices are real, or part of a universal consciousness is beside the point.

When you trip on acid or mushrooms or any psychedelic, whether your experience is in your head or a message from higher planes is besides the point.

The point here is that with the right state of mind, that experience can and will help you become more spiritually aware, or simply help you grow mentally as a person, or you can let it break you.

The fact that it is or wasn't real doesn't matter. What matters is what you do with that experience and how you transform those visions or "hallucinations" into food for the spirit.

>>14123
I know because it is a clinically defined, understood, and researched thing. It is even comparatively consistent, compared to other mental illnesses.

Completely normal people hear voices in their head. That's called internal dialogue, it causes no distress or lack of function, and helps a person sort out their own thoughts. At any time, a person can choose to focus on something else -by proverbially putting down the cereal and going to another aisle.

The kind of voices a schizophrenic hears are intrusive thoughts. They are insistent, demanding, repetitive, frequently violent, accusatory, or grandiose. It is not the same thing as picking up a box of cereal and debating it, it is picking up the cereal and suddenly "EVERYONE YOU KNOW WILL DIE IF YOU DO NOT BUY THIS CEREAL NOW."

If these intrusive thoughts had any credence, I guarantee you that myself and everyone I love would be dead by now, but they aren't, because they don't have credence and are often completely unrelated to reality.

I do believe in the occult, and I've told people that in every thread like this. I have been an occultist for a much, much longer time than I have been a schizophrenic. I am not out there to prove spiritual existence is not a thing, or to claim that I have no more chance to connect with it.

However, a severe handicap in my natural ability to differentiate reality from the fabrications of my mind and a sudden requirement that I apply willpower to my everyday activities just to think straight has not been whatsoever helpful, and I don't understand the angle by which people claim it can be.

>>14126
And for extra addendum that may shock some, the idea of hallucinations coming as a result of schizophrenia is also a common misconception. They are known to happen from time to time(often as a result of the stress, but those who manage the stress of it well do not get any at all.

The idea that hallucinations, visual or auditory, arise as a result of it is based in the interpretation of the common "voices in my head" complaint. But that's intrusive thoughts, taking place in the mind, not the ear.

>>14126
>>14126

Interesting… That's a fair point.

I wonder if there is any way you can transform those random intrusive thoughts into something less threatening, but that would require total mental reconditioning, to the point your brain is full of mostly "positive" thoughts… but that would also require you to erase you as your current self and your perception of how you view the world around you and your personality which even I wouldn't want to do if I was in your shoes, I suppose (as if I know what it's like living with the condition).

I am not an occultist either. Just started reading up on the essentials and brand new to all this.

What is your opinion on these spiritual healers who claim to cure people of schizophrenia by "rebuilding" their aura or chakra system, etc?

On the same note, what is your opinion on how modern psychiatry and medicine deal with people who have these problems?

>>14127
>>14127

Would it be fair to assess that there might be a spiritual angle to the condition? At least for some people? I've met certain people with schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, MPD, etc., that seem to possess certain powers and knowledge like occultists do.

>>14128
I could turn it into something 'positive', and it would not be nearly so complicated as it happens all the god damn time. Simply cave in to delusion and permit a delusion of violence or persecution to become a delusion of grandeur.

For example, John *believes* that his choice of cereal at the market has saved his family. But why would people target his family over such small actions? Who is watching him that would be interested in such a tiny choice? Why is he so *important*?

Because he's reincarnated being X, or targeted in arcane ways by deity Y. Suddenly the voices 'warning' him are no longer threatening and violent, they are helpful little sprites trying to divert the ire of gods and governments. He lives his life believing he is one step ahead of those who would harm his family, dancing over his life's decisions in bizarre ways for no reason that anyone else can perceive.

And that's if John's general capacity for logic is still intact. I can make no assumption about what someone without that could do.

For spiritual healers, there's plenty of ways a person can recover from any sort of psychosis. Often, all it takes is a vacation, some people to talk to, and a bit of hope for a person to get back on their feet.

Spirituality is loaded with symbols that are potent to the human mind. Carefully using them can make a significant difference.

Look up the idea of the soteria house. You'll probably come across a Scientology article trying to use the idea of it to bring down modern psychology, but that doesn't detract from the usefulness of them, or the fact they are staffed by psychologists. Modern western medicine accepts the idea that medication is not always the answer.

>>14131
Illnesses that alter the way a person perceives the world and acts.

Could an illness that shakes a person's relationship with themselves and the world around them to the very core inspire a person to take personal responsibility in controlling their own actions and perspectives?

And as we know, quite a lot of occultism is in self-control and manipulation of perspective and belief.


Not to say there is no possible spiritual explanation, but there are a great many mental explanations.

>>14134
>>14134

That's a fucking sweet answer to that question.

Thanks for responding to all my queries.

I've learned a lot today.

>>14135
I advise you not to trust my words, but go and research on your own if this matter is significant to you.

>>14136

Of course.

>>13958

If I'm not in on it any occult elite can go fuck themselves.

>>14123
That's not what schizophrenia is though. It isn't just a stream of consciousness splitting… you hallucinate and perceive these falsehoods in the same manner as you perceive reality.

>>14126
Again, schizophrenics don't just "hear intrusive thoughts." We *hallucinate.* A false perception, not just inner dialogue. You don't seem to have schizophrenia well-defined yourself.(WHERE IS YOUR FLAG CITIZEN?)

>>14151
Hallucinations affect some, but not all. The current explanation for that is that they come as a result of core symptoms in certain circumstances, as I understand it, hence the explanation of stress causing hallucinations(as it is known to sometimes do.)

As outdated as it now is, the DSM-IV does not include hallucinations as a primary feature -it focuses on delusions and intrusive thoughts, as I recall.

>>14151
The worst part is that nobody knows what it's like to be schizophrenic until they experience it first hand. One person on Reddit described it somewhat like a surreal dream where mirrors have teeth and books are made of broken glass, except he doesn't wake up.

>>14174
So called "schizophrenic here". It's really fucking simple and easy to explain. Schizophrenia is simply what happens when you dream while awake. Instead of your body being immobile and your eyelids closed, you are dreaming with eyes fully open, and body fully awake.

…and I don't find it debilitating at all. It is to the contrary the most wonderful thing I have and not something I want to lose. Sure I can't drive but fuck that.

>>14176
…and before someone denounces me, I've experienced all kinds of mindfucking and horrifying things sure, and I don't know what actually physically happened in the past versus what was only mental (or as mundanes will say what was "real and not real") but that is all acceptable to me. I don't fear pain, I've seen and experienced all kinds of unimaginably fucked up things, and it just doesn't bother me anymore.

I adapted to it and I am doing increasingly well as my occult knowledge expands. I've also developed some techniques to discern what state I'm in, whether I'm actually in my body or not, etc. and I practise intense thought control and control over my emotions which are big key part of managing to live in "two worlds at once". I still sometimes don't respond to people properly when they talk to me or can't hear them over voices or random noise I'm hearing that isn't physically there. Whatever.

Just within the last 6 or so hours I held hands with a spirit girl (she kept trying to hold my hand and I kept pulling away but then just gave in after awhile). We talked and shared experiences. It was a really beautiful experience for me.

It's all worth it. I am very hopeful for the future. It has been a very long journey for me and it was ALL MISERY until I got into /fringe/ stuff. Now I feel increasingly superior or gifted to be as I am and I just feel I need to realize my full potential and really unfold, really bloom into full conscious mastery, and it is exciting.

Of course some silly mundane reading this is going to be scared and probably think I'm going to end up "worse" or harm someone or most likely myself due to my "delusions". To them, well, just keep enjoying your stress and misery and bleak outlook on life that comes with being a mundane. I am in fact getting better and it's 100% due to the occult as everything else only made things worse or made no difference.

>>14039
It's not proof of mental illness. It's proof of ignorance, incompetence, and maladjustment to a society that is lost in materialist delusions.

Saying that those people are "mentally ill" is just really silly. There's nothing wrong with there mind, they don't have a "mental illness".

Schizophrenia is dreaming while awake like the anon above says. You just need to exercise thought control and get your thoughtforms under control and you're good.

Do they need help? Sure but mundanes aren't equipped to provide legitimate help or guidance.

Now before you object:

We know of people who don't experience any so called "hallucinations" and who are "normal people" and yet they have delusions of all sorts and sloppy thinking. We don't consider them mentally ill though. Just ignorant and probably lacking a formal training in logic like: http://www.yogebooks.com/english/atkinson/1909logicalthinking.pdf

The average person who hasn't undergone a rigorous effort to clean up his thinking including pretty much every child ever, practically everyone, can be said to have errors in their thinking, delusions, etc. We don't classify them as mentally ill.

Likewise, we don't classify shamans going through the black night of the soul as "mentally ill". They are just dealing with some shit and are expected to get over it at some point and come out of the ordeal stronger than before.

There is nothing inherently wrong with seeing and hearing things not accessible to the mundane consensus reality; and sloppy or disordered thinking is found in quite possibly all humans yet we don't call all of humanity mentally ill.

We also don't classify people who have nightmares as "mentally ill" either. A "schizophrenic" may be said quite accurately at times to be "experiencing a nightmare while awake". Not that there can't also be some troubles in "dreaming while awake" even if the nature of the (overlapping) dream is pleasant, just due to the confusion inexperienced persons have in discerning the physical from the astral, but once again the problem comes back to ignorance (in this case of how to tell these manifestations from different planes apart).

When the person acquires the right skills to cope with these various problems the so called "mental illness" becomes a blessing.

Of course lots of people are so lost in delusion they aren't going to get better at all in this incarnation but that goes for both mundanes and untrained wizards aka "schizophrenics" with overly active untamed imagination.

>>14038
>Lol, again: these are the kinds of people who have no experience with schizophrenia.

Wrong. I have intimate experience with it and I'm sure that many of the authors of the texts in those links either have lived with a schizophrenic, are schizophrenic themselves, or have been around schizophrenics lots.

>I need antipsychotics to function. And that's not something that's just been drilled into me by psychiatrists (and I AGREE wholeheartedly that the industry is sick and fucked up and commercialized); you don't want to see me unmedicated.

You mean you've become dependent on using drugs that fuck with your brain in order to avoid dealing with the problem in a more appropriate manner. You're like someone who is sick of having bright lights shine in his eyes so he gouges his eyes out rather than look away from the lights. Only difference is you're fucking up your third eye / mental eye.

>All things that I've done without medication:
>-Wander around on the streets barely clothed, ignoring the 'are you okay's from passerby

Lots of non-schizophrenics do this.

>-Try to steal bones from an abandoned graveyard, as per instructions from the sirens

This is something I would do. I don't know why you think it was a silly plan now. Maybe if you had succeeded something interesting could have come of it.

>-Try to drown myself because I thought the world was fake and that I would wake up

As if that isn't pretty close to the actual truth of the matter.

>-Run in front of the street because I thought the lights of the incoming cars at night were spirits coming to save me from this world

kek how did even look to you from your perspective and how did you come to that conclusion?

>-Try to use the mirror as a device to travel between parallel universes

Did it work for you?

>-While at the mental hospital, I tore my clothes apart and tied the strands into strings and used the strings to tie around a piece of paper with a phone number I wrote down on it that I believed would bring me a taxi that would take me away from the universe

I once met a taxi driver in the astral and he told me we live in "Standard Model Universe". Turns out that's a legit theory about the universe.

>You tell me, is it an illness or not.

Not an illness.

>>14206
I really want to "steal" someone's skull and decorate it, but I don't think stealing is a proper verb here.

>>14209
I've seen some very interesting posts before from I think it was a Thai Jungle Sorcerer (some guy from Thailand practise sorcery) that also mentioned these carved skulls. Anyone know what this practise is about?

>>14214
I think they're kapala, (Sanskrit for "skull"). They're used in esoteric practices and ritual offerings in Tibetan Buddhism and Hinduism. Also, they symbolize, I think, the fact that we are all going to die, that our physical vessel is impermanent.

Malas, (meditation beads), made out of bone are used when meditating upon some god's fierce form, (like Shiva in his Bhairava form), to add.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapala
http://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-asia/practices-and-rituals-tibetan-kapala-skull-caps-00945

I really want a skull and some other bones to make pendants and charms out of them. I can't help that I love macabre stuff.

>>14218
Also, there was a sect in Hinduism which adherents drank liquor from skulls of priests. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapalika

Aghori are not too bad, either, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aghori

>>14225
Starting my day with a skullful of water would be great!

>>14153
I never said it was the main feature, but you were talking about the hallucinatory facet, where you not? But yes, I do agree that schizophrenia is primarily a disruption of thought.

>>14176
It's hard to communicate the strangeness of it though. I totally agree with you on the ecstasy of psychosis. It feels like everything's fallen into place, like you finally understand. Nothing short of enlightenment in the right circumstances.

>>14204
>You just need to exercise thought control and get your thoughtforms under control and you're good.

If it wasn't for medication I would not be able to live on my own. I have the catatonic type of schizophrenia, which basically will cut you off from the outside world. Your silly idea about mental illness is dangerous.

>>14206
>Did it work for you

Not sure really. I made an interdimensional "map" with certain numbers on it, 72 of the original reality. The original was marked as "unreal" which was everything within a drawing of a serpent swallowing its tail. Everything outside was "real." So I did the ritual and kind of "left" my body, and I saw streaks of light expanding into fractals as I began to hear the voices of benevolent spirits whisper hello. And then in seconds I was back in the same chair and everything, but the number on the map was changed. I did this every night "to get further and further to a truer reality," but every time the numbers would be even more muddled and different. Like, totally random and different than what was originally recorded. I called them anchor numbers, because they would be the primary guide to see whether a universe was truly altered, because in the target universe the number would be different. I would switch with the other me from the mirror. It sounds crazy, but just think about it metaphorically.

I would also notice little differences in things. I transferred basically every night, but I stopped keeping track because I couldn't remember the anchor numbers. I just don't care which reality I'm in anymore.

I had a schyzophrenic roommate for a couple of months.

I'm pretty sure at some point she was possessed as she was rolling on the floor and I could know when she was near the appartment building because I felt extremely cold in the back.

It was definitely not a positive experience but I do believe they are more affected by spiritual events, be them good or bad

>>14339
Did you fuck her

>>14340
Yes before we were roommates and only once. Made her squirt.

I kicked her out when she tried to stab me after 3-4 months or so(POST WITH THE DEGENERATE FLAG, DEGENERATE)

>>14344
Did she have a reason for stabbing you or was she just having an episode

>>14347
I'm not sure she was trying to open a campbell soup can with a knife and I told her to stop acting like a retard and she went mad. I don't think she was having delusions at that time though as I would have been in the hospital in that case.

She didn't actually stab me she had the knife pointed to my face screaming like crazy but the second she looked away I disarmed her, carried her to the front door and threw her outside.

>>14294
I want you to take a good read of this. A very good one.

And then come up here, and look at this.

>>14132

>>14047
I hope you get off those jew medications soon and clean up your soul and body.

>>14468
Not sure the point you're trying to make. That psychosis can be utilized for spiritual purposes?

>>14038
Dude, that sounds exactly as the shit you experience on psychedelic mushrooms.

To be honest, now that I think about it, the mushroom experience sounds very similar to schizophrenia. Maybe there's a link between the two.

>>13596
oyy lmao

"Madness is the phosphorus of phantoms." The Key of Solomon.