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No.18066[Last 50 Posts]
(Post all material you have on diets, speculation, diets you are doing, etc. in here)
Excerpts Dealing With Nutrition, Assimilation, And Natural LawFrom The Rosicrucian Cosmo-Conception, by Max Heindel:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1osT9ztpDujTRr3bF-YxpOf9xYEDocUuZR8uMXbntCS0/pubThe Detox Miracle Sourcebook - Raw Foods and Herbs for Complete Cellular Regenerationhttp://www.truthseekers.fr/Robert_Morse_-_The_Detox_Miracle_Sourcebook_EBOK.pdf No.18069
No.18072
Robert Morse Q&A/Informational videos on Youtubehttps://www.youtube.com/user/robertmorsend/videosMust watch Robert Morse videos for getting into a raw fruitarian diet.
http://grapegate.com/video-playlistsLoren Lockman on Youtube He is an amazing resource for fasting and getting on a fruit based diet
https://www.youtube.com/user/LorenLockman/videosThe Benefits of Water Fasting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8IwWatbcRMWhat is Food? Pts. 1 & 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKpK0rhgq58https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehbNlS3OJzUThe 7 Keys to Optimal Health
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV-x11iMCH8Food Combining Pts. 1 & 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ900C2PA4whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C49j0lKe6SUHow to tell fruit is ripe Pts. 1 & 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZjZ0pDB4Qwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZykWclLcBLwHealth Search Enginehttp://www.rawfigs.com/Attached documented "Vegetarianism and Occulstism" by C.W. Leadbeater of the Theosophical Society. Putting a plant based diet into perspective with occultism.
No.18074
When I was in the loony bin they had the most amazing apples I've ever had.
They literally gave me a body high and make normal apples taste like cardboard. Anyone know these kind of apples?
Satsumas are pretty cool too.
No.18076
>>18067fruit is great because it has everything you need but you can get MUCH better nutrition from fruits and vegetables
one example is when I eat broccoli my eyesight dramatically improves to a point where it feels like I am tripping out when looking at otherwise mundane objects
next days morning urine (drinking) has the same effect on my eyesight
also get organic food when you can, it makes a big difference in your health
No.18082
>tfw I have a whole box of bananas and I ate two of them and they're fucking awful and no doubt sprayed a ton and were picked unripe
No.18083
>>18076That's pretty interesting, what's your rationale for urine drinking? Are there any serious writings about this?
Broccoli and all the cruciferous vegetables are goitrogenic (gives you gas) and contain high levels of oxalic acid. They do contain high concentrations of micronutrients, but must be cooked or juiced to be consumed because of the high levels of indigestible fiber (cellulose), so therefore they are not optimal.
Human beings are a colony organism, the bacteria in our bodies outnumber us on a cellular level 10:1, said bacteria produce almost all of the nutrients we need. This conflicts with just about every nutritional guideline out there, but more nutrition is not necessarily better. Instead one should purify their body in order to more efficiently assimilate and utilize the nutrients already in ones body. As you say it's best to buy organic food, if it costs twice the price you're getting a good deal because it has at least twice the amount of nutrients.
No.18084
>>18082Wait til they get ripe
No.18091
>>18083as for urine drinking I drink midstream urine in the morning when I have the most nutrients in my urine, think of urine as blood filtrate and not as a waste product
urine has many effects like heightening your senses instantly, I feel like it is a purely physical effect but with how quickly it works I have to wonder if there is some mystical effect going on
for more reading search for "shivambu"
a steamer is essential for most people on a plant based diet but you can even steam broccoli in just a pot with a little bit of water
broccoli gives you more nutrients when steamed than when eaten raw
fully raw is best but not ideal for many as you would need to maintain a year round grow operation
>tfw tripping balls in the grocery store looking at a display of fruit>more shades of the same color than I could have ever imagined No.18098
>>18091>fully raw is best but not ideal for many as you would need to maintain a year round grow operationYeah the organic fruit/vegetable selection in some places in the world is terrible during the winter. I was talking to Smiley about this since he lives in Canada. For me in Southern California I can feed myself year-round on raw organic fruit for about $15-20 a day, though I don't have a very wide selection right now. I eat mostly apples, navel oranges, pears, bananas, kiwis, mangoes, grapefruits, young thai coconuts, bell peppers, tomatoes, and avocadoes. Along with the occasional salad. This diet requires little to no food prep and allows you to devote more time to your studies and practices.
No.18101
>>18084All of them are ripe and won't last much longer if not consumed soon and they are terrible. I am just saying they were picked early… and probably sprayed to shit.
>Broccoli and all the cruciferous vegetables are goitrogenic (gives you gas) and contain high levels of oxalic acid. They do contain high concentrations of micronutrients, but must be cooked or juiced to be consumed because of the high levels of indigestible fiber (cellulose), so therefore they are not optimal.I personally hate broccoli except when it's cooked in a certain way in soup. The taste is horrendous and it just makes me feel sick.
>tfw no money for an abundance of organic fruits to consume all day>tfw all my fruit has the pesticide jew in itWhat are some fitness mantras to repeat?"Eat Big To Get Big" seems like an effective mantra to motivate myself to eat more. Just repeating that… and I never ever feel hunger or appetite but it's like a reminder/motivation to eat as much as I can.
No.18104
Thoughts on this
http://www.uncommonwisdomdaily.com/skipping-breakfast-your-ticket-to-fat-loss-and-more-energy-18708 ?
Better to eat at fixed times consistently or only when really hungry?
How often to fast? I've been reading the benefits of fasting for at least one day every week.
No.18106
>>18104If you're anything like me, you'll sit in meditation until you're just a skeleton with some skin on top, and still not want to eat.
How about you eliminate your desire to eat? I only ever have problems getting weight on, never losing weight.
Just live on fruit juices, fruits, and water until you're at a weight you want.
No.18109
>>18106I'm quite underweight have have great difficulty putting any on. Eliminating desire to eat comes at a very advanced stage of development or when the siddhi is acquired. Food is essential for good health, mood and energy levels.
Robert Bruce on fasting:
"Fasting is enormously helpful for Kundalini work. Digestion takes about 80% of available energy resources and generally tires you out. Obviously you need 'all' available energy for Kundalini, so fasting and inner cleansing accomplishes this very easily… once you get used to it, that is."
"And fasting is very healing. You can cure just about anything with fasting, particularly with longer duration fasts of a month or so, and this includes cancers, heart disease, liver disorders, and just about anything. This happens because when you stop eating for say a month, the body starts to consume itself. It stars by dissolving damaged and diseased tissue, and tumors, and plaque buildup in the arteries, etc. It will consume all available fat, including excess liver fat and size. Only when it runs out of fat completely will it start on the muscle tissue. It will 'never' consume its internal organs."
"Fasting also gives you complete control over your body and its weight, and control over the ego aspect. The detox on a long fast is profound. This also cures many conditions, physical and mental, including things like schizophrenia…for which heavy metals and toxins are primary contributors."
No.18110
>>18104Yeah, eating when you wake up in the morning isn't natural. The cereal companies ingrained this habit into our population through marketing. I "fast" 14-20 hours every day, known as intermittent fasting. A good way to think of it is skip breakfast, and don't eat 3-4 hours before you go to bed. Fasting one day a week is a variant of intermittent fasting, some people even fast every other day. I'll make a formal post in this thread with intermittent fasting links. It's definitely good to give your body a break from digesting food on a regular basis, it uses the most loosh out of any task your body performs.
No.18111
You guys who are thin have it great, work out and you'll get attractive easy.
I used to be super skinny and could never put on weight, now thanks to anti-psychotics I have a massive belly and have gone from at least a 7 to a 4.
No.18112
>>18110I've been following the 16 hour fast, as stated in that link and seems to have been going well. Meals at 12 and 7:20 (plan to make this earlier soon) everyday. Do you do 'The Warrior Diet'?
Here is a good post on fasting I think:
http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?16775-hey-one-question-before-purchasing-the-program&p=125774#post125774 No.18115
>>18109>Eliminating desire to eat comes at a very advanced stage of development or when the siddhi is acquired.Then I am very advanced.
>Food is essential for good health, mood and energy levels.I feel like food is a stepping stone from the more course and not so good foods to more and more pure foods until you're living off of pure etheric energy.
>>18111Work out and my muscle will be fucked up… I don't have anything to burn most of the time and have lost muscle strength quite a few times in the past before.
>taking anti-psychotics>eating anything when you're faty u no live on fruit purées?
>tfw eating sausage wrapped in bacon, rice, corn, and asparagus again while drinking orange juice>tfw have to fight in one hour>tfw right arm is still all fucked up from last time (2 days ago)I am still not getting anywhere near enough energy.
No.18119
>>18111You should looking into doing a water fast of 3 weeks or more, it will reset your body. You'll probably lose at least 30-40 lbs.
If you decide that it may be helpful, it is not advisable to fast this long without supervision, unfortunately.
Water Fasting Basics1. Sip on 3-4 litres of either heavily filtered or spring water a day. Emphasis on sip, your body can only absorb so much water at a time. Clear pee does not mean that you are hyrdrated.
2.Rest as completely as possible. this means laying down with your eyes closed 90% of the time. This conserves your loosh and allows your body to concentrate all its resources on healing and purifying itself.
3.When breaking the fast refeed very slowly. An ounce of easily digestible high water content fruit every 2 hours for four meals on the first day. Double this amount every day until you're eating a pound of fruit four times a day.
After 5-7 days of refeeding you should feel better than you've ever felt and ready to transition to a long term raw fruitarian diet.
If you break a longterm fast incorrectly, you can die, or face serious health implications. This is the reason why unsupervised longterm fasts are not advisable. The refeeding after the fast is most important part, by far.Refeeding: Why Slow and Cautious is the Wayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSvcaApDVNISucceeding After the Fasthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcdefSenapM No.18122
>>18115Desire was wrong word used. Meant the need to eat. Can you go months without eating without it bothering you? There are many Yogis that have reached this stage.
No.18123
>>18098I am in northern ontario and yet I still manage to get plenty of organic and non-organic plants for very cheap
the key thing is to have a staple food that is cheap, for me this is rice
>>18104you should idealy be eating lightly in the morning and drinking a lot of water to replenish what you lost overnight/morning piss
some fruit like an orange or two is good
fasting can hurt your metabolism and cause your weight to yoyo among other things, be carefull with it
there are much better ways to lose fat
No.18128
>>18123>fasting can hurt your metabolism and cause your weight to yoyo among other things, be carefull with itthere are much better ways to lose fat
This is very true, although it hurting your metabolism is, I believe, a misconception.
If after fasting you require 1500 calories instead of 2500 calories per day to maintain your weight, is your body not running more efficiently? The concept of "metabolic damage" often talked about by bodybuilders is completely erroneous, in my opinion. It is metabolic adaptation.
A long term fast should definitely be viewed as the first step in a major lifestyle change, and not a "magic pill" that will make you skinny. If you are eating the correct diet, it's impossible to be overweight. Just search fruitarian on youtube. Everyone you see is lean and has clear, glowing skin. Even many people's eyes change color when switching to this diet.
No.18130
>>18123More interested in fasting for mental, energetic and spiritual. Can reach higher states of consciousness while fasting.
No.18131
>>18128I said that it "can" hurt your metabolism
this is because after a fast the average dolt will binge and the body is now in a fat storing mode so fat is put on really easily
some people will also eat things they do not normally eat such as a plant eater deciding to eat animal flesh, but this would indicate starvation from an improper fast
it's like you said earlier about easing your way back onto food after a fast, that is the way to do it
No.18134
>>18112I haven't really looked into the warrior diet too much, but I think some people have had success with it. I just eat 2-4 mono fruit meals a day. For example, 6-8 apples, then a few hours later 6-8 oranges. I am right now using myself as a test subject to see if one can, in fact, gain size, strength, and muscle on a low protein diet. I began intermittent fasting 3 years ago because it is convenient (eating two meals instead of three means less food prep) and I had problems with overeating and found I could only fit so much food into my stomach in a 6-8 hour period.
Intermittent fasting also increases your growth hormone production by up to 2000% during the fast. Your cells also engage in whats called autophagy which is a process of healing, purification and rejuvenation. Intermittent fasting allows one to receive a miniature version of the effects of long term fasting, every day.
>>18131Oh, I see.
No.18137
>>18134I have tested low protein and confirmed that you can add mass
in fact you can put on more mass with low protein because high amounts of it are toxic and even worse is animal protein turns your blood into battery acid
>no top ramen and tunathe most important part of putting on mass (muscle) is having enough energy to first wear the muscle then secondly to build up new muscle
your body can recycle protein very efficiently and it does on a regular basis
No.18141
>>18137Yeah my theory is that muscle mass and strength is mainly determined by training style, genetics, health/purification (including etheric and astral purification), and anabolic steroid use.
No.18143
>>18141steroids >>>>>> nutrition >> training style > genetics
that is assuming training the physical body only
>>18140watch out for that mercola, I have heard him being called a jew and he has a book that says avoid carbs to stay slim which is nonsense
No.18145
>>18143>steroids >>>>>> nutrition >> training style > geneticsI'd put genetics second or even tied with steroids, based on my personal experience. But yeah, most people who don't understand the fitness industry have no idea that 99% of people that make a living off this kind of stuff are on steroids.
>watch out for that mercola, I have heard him being called a jew and he has a book that says avoid carbs to stay slim which is nonsenseEvery source of information is right on some things, and wrong on others. Apply what what works and discard what doesn't. In this thread, and others I am going to make on the board, I will post many sources, and they will often conflict with each other. It is our job to find the core truth that is hidden within them all. No one source can be written off entirely.
The "paleo" movement definitely has a gross misunderstanding of carbs and a gross misunderstanding of our past. Mercola advocates 25g of fructose per day, I probably have four times that. As if the fructose in an organic apple is ANYWHERE NEAR the equivalent of the fructose in a sugary soda. At the same time many proponents of the diet/lifestyle discuss topics and share information that can't be found anywhere else.
No.18152
>>18145I have been giving examples and opinions instead of links because of all the false info out there
linking to mercola or whatever might cause more harm than good rather than having someone do their own research
it might be worth while to compile some basics of health into one post and/or remake the thread with that post as the op
No.18153
>>18152I was planning to compiling all the info into an article on my website and having smiley edit it into the OP. The formatting on chan sites for non-admins is quite limited compared to software like wordpress.
No.18159
>>18072Thank you very much. The guide to ripened fruit alone is something I've needed for a long time.
No.18160
>>18153It's easy to make notes though that can be copypasted anywhere… and it's always best to have a raw text that can be dressed up a little with formatting. You can't take your formatting with you everywhere.
No.18162
any info on making GAINS?
No.18164
No mention of resistant starch and gut bacteria here so i'll drop what little i know. it's probably #1 on top of good nutrition which is why fibrous veggies are important as well as fruits.
intestinal bacteria are one of the most important yet overlooked aspects of your bodily health responsible for metabolism, mood and more. bad gut bacteria can make you fat and autistic. no, seriously. read my following sources. as above, so below.
eat more fermented foods and fermentable fibers and starches. also it's funny how "culture" as in yogurt cultures, and cultures who fermented foods in the past were so "cultured."
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/7-things-you-had-no-idea-gut-bacteria-could-do/your mind and body influence gut bacteria, and it influences you and your body and mental health in return. like the midichlorians in the stupid ass new star wars trilogy that are teh source of The Force. Perhaps you can magickally cultivate good gut flora by calming your mind and body.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/16-things-that-affect-your-gut-bacteria/not coincidentally, the herbicides sprayed on GM foodcrops can kill gut bacteria. go non-GMO and organic with your grains. poor gut bacteria is associated with conditions like crohn's and autism.
here's a good guide to getting resistant starch to promote good bacteria without necessarily resorting to costly probiotics:
http://freetheanimal.com/2013/12/resistant-primer-newbies.htmlGreat RS sources include potato starch powder, plantain flour, legumes like lentils and navy beans, and unripe green bananas or plantains.
Good RS sources are oats, brown rice, cooked and cooled of potatoes, rice or even wheat.
No.18213
>>18130>>18130You reach lower states of concioussness while fasting because you don't get enough glycogen to the brain. Water fasting is the worse thing you can do for your body. Your body already detoxes all your life, water fasting doesn't speed up the proccess, getting rid of shit food keeps you clean.
No.18250
>Fruit only diet.
Fruit doesn't have much protein and fat in it. How can the body increase muscle mass with just glucose?
No.18253
No.18259
IMO most green pilled diet is ray peat diet
Aim to get 50+% of daily carbohydrate intake from milk and fruit sugars
Allowed foods (from what should make up most of your diet to least)
>Fruit (blueberries, raspberries, bananas, watermelon, cherries, pears, peaches, mangos, pineapples)
>Pasture Raised full fat dairy (milk, cheese)
>Eggs from pasture raised chickens
>Pasture Raised ruminant meats (beef, lamb)
>Seafood (lobster, crab, oyster, mussels, cod, sole)
You can eat these in moderation
>Saturated oils and fats (coconut oil, macadamia oil, olive oil, butter, beef fat, lamb fat)
>cruciferous vegetables (broccoli, brussel sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower, collards, kale, kohlrabi, chinese cabbage)
>above ground vegetables (broccoli, cauliflower, collard greens, asparagus, brussels sprouts, spinach, lettuce, cabbage)
>Nuts (all apart from macadamia)
>Fatty fish (salmon, tuna, mackerel, trout, herring, sardines)
>Pasture Raised non-ruminant meats (chicken, pork, turkey, duck)
Disallowed foods, throw these out
>Legumes (beans, lentils, chickpeas, soybeans, black beans, kidney beans, navy beans)
>Grains (wheat, oats, soybeans, corn, pasta, noodles, bread)
>All grain-fed meat
>PUFA oils and fats (vegetable, canola, corn, cottonseed, soybean, safflower, sunflower, peanut, grape seed, margarine)
>seeds (sesame seeds, sunflower seeds, chia seeds, hemp seeds)
I usually just eat fruit, cheese, eggs and seafood all day. I usually have a stew or stirfry everyday as well with beef or lamb + some vegetables.
I drink up to 1 liter of milk and orange juice a day, depends how I feel.
No.18263
>>18250It can't, you're also missing out on many many nutrients & vitamins.
No.18269
>>18119I just want to say that muscle tension is the biggest waste of Vril (one form of loosh) there is. Relaxing muscles whenever possible is an effective way to not waste Vril energy. Vril is the energy that lets you power thoughts, so you'll be able to do a ton more thinking, by keeping your muscles relaxed. Besides that you get tons of Vril from the air and a little from eating food slowly, chewing it all down, masticating it, and focusing on its and its taste the whole time while mentally pulling the vril energy out of the food substances via taste.
No.18275
>>18250you seem to be falling for the /fit/ standards
you do not need very much protein at all to build muscle and this is because your body is not discarding torn muscle, it is simply repaired and built upon
fat (the kind you seem to be refering too) will just make you fat, slow, and stupid
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/392766somehow human babies are able to grow with low protein and fat but high carbs
also human babies grow much faster than an adult even when the adult is comparatively comsuming more protein, this is true even when the adult is drowning in anabolics
>>18162if by gains you mean muscle mass and I am fairly sure it is then this is what you can do
lift stuff in such a way that your muscles are worn out the most (start with heavy then go with lighter untill you cant lift anymore), wear them out to their limits
take a lot of steroids/growth stimulants
have enough calories to build muscle, protein is unimportant because it is almost imposible to not get enough through typical food
rest well
if steroids are too expensive for you then drink a shit load of milk(cow) and comsume a lot of fatty animal products
the cow milk is designed for baby cows to grow very fast and it does just that plus more to humans
the fatty animal product is to keep your insulin levels high which makes you grow faster
this is of course horrible for your health long and possibly short term but it will work
steroids would be better for your health than animal products so try and get a script from your doctor so you can get legal and clean anabolics, insulin is also legal and cheap
try to specify your question better next time
>>18253the brain needs glucose to function and when it doesn't have enough you will feel faint or slugish
think of a brain that is low on glucose as a car that is running on fumes
>>18259this appears to be another atkins/paleo thing
atkins died of a heart attack from all that fatty food he ate/promoted
>Aim to get 50+% of daily carbohydrate intake from milk and fruit sugarsmilk(cow) is one of the worst "foods" that you can consume
you are not a baby cow
No.18278
>>18275>steroidsWHY?
Shaolin monks don't take steroids.
No.18279
I don't think there is a single diet btw that works for everyone, there's too much biological variation as well as differences in our souls, that make us do well on different foods.
I think however one VERY important thing for just about anyone is to go back to 1900s or earlier diets, aka no pesticides and preservatives and processed shit.
No.18283
>>18278We have to consider that most of those monks start their training pretty early in life, most of us are starting this on our late teens-early 20s, steroids would accelerate the process.
>>18279I agree with this though, it's less about the type of food and more about the quality of it. I intend to start a small vegetable garden this year to start eating a little more pure, and hopefully in two or three years when I go back to living in the countryside I'll set up something like in the pic.
No.18311
>>18275>milk(cow) is one of the worst "foods" that you can consume[citation needed]
No.18324
>>18275>you do not need very much protein at all to build muscleBullshit.
>a low fat diet will just make you fat, slow, and stupidFixed.
>somehow human babies are able to grow with low protein and fat but high carbsThey probably have autism.
No.18327
>>18275>the brain needs glucose to function and when it doesn't have enough you will feel faint or slugishThe brain also needs saturated fat. Most organs are made from saturated fat.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/01/22/fascinating-facts-you-never-knew-about-the-human-brain.aspxYour brain is the fattest organ in your body and may consist of at least 60 percent fat. No.18329
I would like to some day stop eating someday.
Food is a hassle.
No.18330
>>18072Can I get a reason as to why its bad to eat something that needs to be cooked before its good but good to eat something that has to be ripened before its good?
No.18332
>>18329Inedia is a possibility, though I am not quite at the moment how to achieve it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therese_Neumann#Inedia No.18333
>>18329I know this feel but first you need to:
>purify the body>attain a large quantity of energy>create a lot of thoughtforms>do further modifications to the etheric body, optimizing it, increasing efficiency, etc.>hook yourself up to new higher energy sources>eventually then you can achieve Inedia and never have to eat third density food againI think the usual approach to achieving Inedia is not effective btw. Trying to gradually wean yourself off of food isn't really the way to do it. You'd be better off actually trying to constantly increase your consumption of food just as long as you do it with no desire, no hunger thoughtform wasting your precious loosh, until you can survive off of pure quintessence.
>>18332I'm pretty sure I know how to achieve it just… it's going to take work.
>>18330Some foods are made better through certain methods of cooking, some through certain combinations, and some are better off raw… and so on. It's complicated as fuck.
No.18350
>>18311notmilk.com
pick any article
the articles appear fine but keep in mind the site is run by a "cohen"
>>18324obvious troll but no matter
>eating a lot of fat makes you slim>eating very little fat makes you fat>cheeseburgers make you slim, lettuce makes you fat>>18327your body can turn fat into glucose to then be used but it still uses glocose for fuel
the brain stores some glycogen (glucose) to be used as emergency energy for when there is not enough in your bloodstream
that link says nothing about the brain needing fat for fuel
>>18279while this is true all humans can have a very similar diet that works for all such as milk(human) for babies
any woman can provide nearly perfect nutrition for a baby of any race/region in the world but mothers milk will still be best for the baby
fruit just happens to be similar in macro nutrients to human milk
there are small variations in nutrition requirments for different races/regions of the world such that you should live and eat where your race has lived and ate for many generations
No.18351
>>18350>eating very little fat makes you fatThis is actually true, because people who don't eat fat usually eat lots of sugar instead to silence their hunger, which causes obesity.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/05/31/coconut-oil-for-healthy-heart.aspxAnother 2010 study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found that a reduction in saturated fat intake must be evaluated in the context of replacement by other macronutrients, such as carbohydratesiv. When you replace saturated fat with a higher carbohydrate intake, particularly refined carbohydrate, you exacerbate insulin resistance and obesity No.18360
No.18372
>>18360Read the first comment on that video.
>He's not fat because he burns off all of that extra glucose. If he didn't run or cycle in excessive amounts daily, that extra glucose would be stored as fat. No.18374
>>18372>trusting aussies>listening to aussies>discussing with aussies>aussies No.18384
>>18351>This is actually true, because people who don't eat fat usually eat lots of sugar instead to silence their hunger, which causes obesity.Processed sugar.
Not all carbs are equal, nor are all carb sources. There is not one fat fruitarian. Try and find one. Durian Rider is a crazy fuck with cult leader tendencies. It's really sad he is the face of frutarianism. Watch the videos of Dr. Robert Morse and Loren Lockman linked above in this thread.
The concept that fructose is poison is based on the erroneous assumption that fructose from organic fruit is the equivalent to fructose from corn syrup.
No.18385
>diet for gains>veganI…know that we're all supposed to be into occultism here, but that doesn't really mean that we're all newagers.
Veganism sucks, I'd rather go on a raw meat-only diet like this guy:
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/this-guy-has-eaten-nothing-but-raw-meat-for-five-yearsthan your newage hippie bullshit.
No.18386
>>18385Strongest man in the world is vegan. Shaolin monks are vegan. All scientific data shows a vegan diet done properly is superior. Meat is unnecessary and causes problems. Go ahead and do that raw meat diet.
No.18388
>>18372There are other vegans that barely workout like his gf freelee and still get lean. FullyRawKristina barely works out too. Durianrider works out an hour max you can check his strava data.
No.18390
>>18386Žydrūnas Savickas isn't vegan as far as I know.
Shaolin monks are gay, they do cool dance moves in hollywood movies, what have they conquered?
Ghenghis Khan conquered all of asia and europe, and that motherfucker wasn't a vegan for sure.
Scientific data? The day you admit that it isn't biased by and for vegans is the day I'll trust your "scientific data". Science is bullshit anyway, our ancestors didn't need it for millenias.
I'm sure my ancestors (whites) ate meat and were alright, I don't have any vegans in my family line and I don't intent to be the first to sully it.
>Go ahead and do that raw meat diet.When I'll be more independent, I might switch to it, it sounds fun.
No.18391
>>18390>Shaolin monks are gay, they do cool dance moves in hollywood moviesJesus Christ, at least pretend to know what you're talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_knyr-msTchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js_3bIni52I#t=9s No.18392
>>18390This is either some epic loosh farming or you're a fucking idiot.
>I am going to ignore the hours of video and books posted in this thread because it conflicts with my beliefs and lifestyle. No.18395
>>18392>you should watch these hours of videos and read hours of books in support of this because quantity=qualityI guess if I start a materialist and dump lots of books by dawkins you're going to renounce your greenpill flag?
>getting so easily loosh-hurtThat's some smiley levels of looshhurt, thanks.
>>18391Oh, getting kicked in the balls! So useful and greenpilled!
Meanwhile genghis khan didn't drag weights with his balls and still a whopping 0.5% of the world's population descends from him.
Shaolin monks aren't worth shit.
Know who's worth shit? Hitler
Hitler was greenpilled and he wasn't a vegan (he was a vegetarian, yes, but he only didn't eat animal meat, he still ate fish).
Be like a strong germanic hero, not like a bald infertile chink! No.18396
No.18399
>>18395This is some of the finest reductionist douchebaggery I have ever witnessed. You should start a blog, your writing style is hilarious.
No.18402
>>18386>Strongest man in the world is veganHHAHAHA WHO?
Even if 1 or 2 top guys are vegan, 99.99999999999999999999% are omnivores.
> Shaolin monks are vegan.So? They are acrobats, they aren't strong and don't have much muscle.
How healthy your diet is depends more on food selection, quality, amount, and your own genetics, rather than the simple Meat vs Vegan dichotomy.
No.18421
What does /fringe/ think of keto?
I was interested in it because I read that on keto, you are just naturally in a higher, better mood (no placebo), your brain functions better thus assuaging ADD/ADHD as well as autism, schizophrenia, bipolar and borderline disorders(I've read some anecdotes on this). Also, since the food you're eating is high in fats and proteins, you'll feel more full so calorie restrictions are much easier to apply. I'm mostly interested in the supposed brain benefits, I think it could help with my meditation, work and just life in general. Oh, and of course, I'm a fat fuck so this seems like a good way to drop some pounds. I'm already on a 2k-calorie restriction and when I adapt to this (no more hunger pangs), I'll slash it again to 1500. With keto, I think I could really accelerate results.
Thoughts?
No.18422
>>18421I've tried keto about 4 times so far.
I can go for about 3 weeks fine, but at the end of the month I start getting intense stomach pains whenever I would be hungry. And then I'd get some sort of nighttime acid-reflux when I would lay down or sleep.
After going back on carbs the symptoms disappeared almost instantly.
Keto will make you lose weight, and you will feel different, it's hard to describe, it's not necessarily "better"….but anyway I can't do it long term, body doesn't like it.
>Also, since the food you're eating is high in fats and proteins, you'll feel more full so calorie restrictions are much easier to apply. It really depends on your digestion. I felt full the first three weeks, then something changes in my body and I burn through fats and protein really quick and get super hungry after a couple of hours, like I said, to the point where the pain in my stomach was really annoying.
No.18423
No.18425
>>18423I'm not gonna read it. But I have celiac so I get acid-reflux from grains/gluten as well.
Diets are something you have to experiment with, you can't just ask other ppl or read articles all day, our bodies are weird and have to be tested.
No.18437
>>18350>Milk is a deadly poison that causes cancer, heart disease and diabetes. God I hope this is parody.
>Milk fat has been identified as a cholesterol-elevating fatbecause it contains cholesterol and is primarily saturated.
Yaaawn. Still pushing this outdated and disproven line of thinking.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Notmilk.com is funded by foreign lobbyists trying to get into the (closed, subsidized) canadian dairy market.
Any professional athlete or body builder will tell you that one of the most important aspects to a good physique is the ratio of protein to fat and carbs that is consumed. Milk naturally buffers protein in relation to carbs and fats, which in and of itself, would make the average north american much healthier because it would mean the calories they consumed (lets say 2000) would have a higher content of protein; there is no argument that this improves physique and metabolism, it is fact.
>>18384This, I wish durian rider was less retarded.
>>18386>All scientific data shows a vegan diet done properly is superiorI seriously hope you don't believe this.
>>18421Being constantly keto is really stupid. Going low carb works great for weight loss but if you're not trying to lose weight, who gives a fuck? You'll have better energy, awareness, coordination, etc by not starving yourself.
Fucking ketoers are so retarded with their "avoid high carb fruit brah!" and "avoid polyunsaturated fats! now go how down on those nuts and fatty fish!".
You can attribute most of the health benefits of keto from just not eating grains+legumes and PUFA oils.
No.18443
>>18421A lot of the benefits that come from keto are the same ones from paleo, and both of those are a temporary result from eliminating shitty food from the diet that keeps feeding shitty gut bacteria like e.coli. then they adapt and come back.
The real common factor that paleo and keto barely touch upon is in fixing your gut flora as I mentioned here
>>18164poor gut bacteria are the source of many ills, all the same ones that keto or paleo or supposed to fix. they affect your mind and your body. When incorporating more RS and prebiotics, skinny people have gained muscle, fat people have lost fat and bloat. Not a coincidence.
start eating more fermented foods and probiotics with prebiotics like resistant starch/slow carbs. they are the first line of your immune system and produce most of your serotonin and substances like butyrate and vitamin B12. They totally change the environment of your digestive tract to keep out the bad stuff.
the paleo nerds are just barely starting to recognize the importance of resistant starch and slow carbs.
No.18445
http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/09/gut-feeling.aspxIf aliens were to swoop in from outer space and squeeze a human down to see what we're made of, they would come to the conclusion that cell for cell, we're mostly bacteria. In fact, single-celled organisms—mostly bacteria—outnumber our own cells 10 to one, and most of them make their home in the gut. The gut, in turn, has evolved a stunningly complex neural network capable of leveraging this bacterial ecosystem for the sake of both physical and psychological well-being.
The idea that bacteria teeming in the gut—collectively known as the microbiome—can affect not only the gut, but also the mind, "has just catapulted onto the scene," says neuroimmunologist John Bienenstock, MD, of McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario. In just the last few years, evidence has mounted from studies in rodents that the gut microbiome can influence neural development, brain chemistry and a wide range of behavioral phenomena, including emotional behavior, pain perception and how the stress system responds.
Research has found, for example, that tweaking the balance between beneficial and disease-causing bacteria in an animal's gut can alter its brain chemistry and lead it to become either more bold or more anxious. The brain can also exert a powerful influence on gut bacteria; as many studies have shown, even mild stress can tip the microbial balance in the gut, making the host more vulnerable to infectious disease and triggering a cascade of molecular reactions that feed back to the central nervous system.
Such findings offer the tantalizing possibility of using beneficial, or probiotic, bacteria to treat mood and anxiety disorders—either by administering beneficial microbes themselves or by developing drugs that mimic their metabolic functions. The new research also hints at new ways of managing chronic gastrointestinal (GI) disorders that are commonly accompanied by anxiety and depression, and that also appear to involve abnormal gut microbiota.
As exciting as these investigations may be, research on how gut bacteria affect psychological well-being in humans is still in its infancy. For one, the studies have been almost entirely limited to rodents. Second, researchers have only begun to probe how such effects occur. Finally, correcting microbial imbalances to treat disease requires first defining what constitutes a healthy gut microbiome—something that scientists are still trying to understand.
"We're just scraping the surface," says McMaster University gastroenterologist Premysl Bercik, MD. "Definitely the animal data suggest that bacteria can have profound effects on behavior and brain biochemistry, probably through multiple pathways." Untangling those biological processes and learning how to apply that knowledge to boost human psychological health will take many years.
No.18446
*The life inside*
The human gut is an amazing piece of work. Often referred to as the "second brain," it is the only organ to boast its own independent nervous system, an intricate network of 100 million neurons embedded in the gut wall. So sophisticated is this neural network that the gut continues to function even when the primary neural conduit between it and the brain, the vagus nerve, is severed. (Citing the enteric nervous system's autonomy and apparent infallibility, comedian Stephen Colbert once christened the gut "the pope of your torso.")
At birth, every gut is sterile. But over time, everyone's gut develops a diverse and distinct brew of bacterial species, determined in part by genetics and in part by what bacteria live in and on those around us. The 100 trillion microbes that make the GI tract their playground are critical to health. Gut bacteria regulate digestion and metabolism. They extract and make vitamins and other nutrients from food that you eat. They program the body's immune system. They build and maintain the gut wall, which protects the body from outside invaders. And by their very presence, beneficial bacteria in the gut block harmful microbes from setting up camp and produce anti-microbial chemicals that defend the host against pathogens.
Gut bacteria also produce hundreds of neurochemicals that the brain uses to regulate basic physiological processes as well as mental processes such as learning, memory and mood. For example, gut bacteria manufacture about 95 percent of the body's supply of serotonin, which influences both mood and GI activity.
When you consider the gut's multifaceted ability to communicate with the brain, along with its crucial role in defending the body against the perils of the outside world, "it's almost unthinkable that the gut is not playing a critical role in mind states," says gastroenterologist Emeran Mayer, MD, director of the Center for Neurobiology of Stress at the University of California, Los Angeles.
Indeed, a flurry of studies in the past several years indicates that the gut microbiome's importance goes beyond physical health: It is also a key player in the gut-brain connection. In one striking demonstration of the potency of the so-called "microbiome-gut-brain axis," published in Gastroenterology in 2011, Bercik and colleagues gave BALB/c mice, a strain of mice that are typically timid and shy, a cocktail of antibiotics, dramatically changing the composition of their gut bacteria.
"Their behavior completely changed," Bercik says. "They became bold and adventurous."
The antibiotic treatment also boosted levels of brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF) in the hippocampus. This neurochemical promotes neural connections and is an important factor in memory and mood. When the antibiotic regimen was stopped, the animals soon reverted to their usual, cautious selves, and their brain biochemistry also returned to normal.
In a follow-up experiment, Bercik's team corralled two strains of mice born and raised in a sterile environment: timid BALB/c mice, and NIH Swiss mice, known for their courageous, exploratory behavior. The researchers then colonized each group of these "germ-free" mice with bacteria from mice of the opposite strain. The result of this microbial swap was uncanny: The normally anxiety-prone BALB/c mice became much more fearless explorers, while the typically daring NIH Swiss mice suddenly grew more hesitant and shy. The results, Bercik says, underscore that at least in laboratory mice, some seemingly intrinsic characteristics are driven not solely by the animals themselves, but also by microbes inhabiting the gut. Whether the pattern holds up in humans, whose guts harbor more diverse microbial communities, remains to be seen, Bercik says.
It doesn't necessarily take a full-scale microbial transplant to trigger behavioral change. The addition of a single bacterial strain can also change mouse behavior. In one of the earliest studies showing that adding a single bacterium can influence behavior, microbiologist Mark Lyte, PhD, of Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center, and colleagues stirred a small dose of the pathogenic bacterium Campylobacter jejuni—too little to trigger an immune response—into saline solution and fed it to a group of lab mice. The results, published in Physiology and Behavior in 1998, showed that two days later, mice that consumed the bacteria were more cautious about entering exposed areas of a laboratory maze—a common measure of anxiety in rodents—compared with mice in a control group.
No.18447
>>18446fucked up on header formatting. oh well
No.18448
>>18421Keto is another fad calorie restrictive diet. It will raise your insulin, lead to cardiovascular problems, and mental problems because your brain can't use ketones as energy, only at desperate times. Keto diet is a famine diet. Your main source of energy is carbs. Your brain uses glycogen as its main fuel. All low carb doctors are fucking fat and sick. Even Robert Atkinson died of his shitty diet.
You won't feel fuller on ketogenic diet. You will feel fuller on a whole food plant based diet because you need to eat more to get the calories in.
No animal in nature calorie restricts, only when it is sick because you'd conserve more energy laying down vs going and trying to find food while watching for predators. Calorie restriction doesn't help with meditation. The only diet where you can eat 10000 calories and not suffer a single issue would be a raw vegan diet with mainly fruits. You can do the same with cooked starches like rice, corn, potatoes but it is not as good as fruit. Just eat whole plant foods and use either starches or fruits as your main source of calories.
There was a vid showing low carb doctors vs vegan doctors but can't find it. Just look up Dr. Mcdougall, Neal Barnard, Michael Greggor, Dr. Esselstein.
No.18450
No.18452
>>18450
>milk allergies>chronic constipation due to food sensitivitiesmost of those studies are irrelevant.
The first one suggests that low-fat dairy intake increases sperm concentration and motility, which is usually a good thing lol…
at least find studies that are relevant to your argument.
No.18455
>>18450these studies are only related to pasteurized milk.
http://healthyprotocols.com/2_milk.htmPasteurization at increasingly high temperatures fuses protein segments together and makes them nearly indigestible by the body and causing inflammation/autoimmune reactions down the line (including T1 diabeetus, arthritis, crohn's and so on), not to mention the fact that CAFO cows are highly unhealthy to begin with.
When the body attempts to digest it, the dead milk putrefies and feeds bacteria meant to break down dead matter to return it to the ether instead of fermenting and feeding bacteria that support the living.
raw, live, probiotic milk is highly supportive to gut environment and is not associated with those health problems. fermented dairy products like cheese, yogurt, kefir and so on made from raw milk is highly beneficial.
it's not so much that milk itself is bad, it's that processed pasteurized milk (majority of milk) and ultra-pasteurized milk (that can stay "fresh" at room temperature for up to six months in a sealed container) from abused and neglected cows is bad.
No.18457
>>18455>Pasteurizing milk destroys all the enzymes and bacteria designed to digest the milk proteins and to add nutrition to the milk; it also denatures the proteins themselves causing them to be highly allergenic for MANY people. Your body has problems digesting some of these proteins such as casein, without these natural milk enzymes, most people CANNOT digest them at all. This can cause many problems; many health professionals think many allergies and autoimmune problems often have a root in indigestible denatured milk proteins. In the famous Pottenger Experiments with cats and diet, 13 cats fed mostly on pasteurized milk all died within several months.
>Pasteurizing milk also helps encourage the growth of pathogenic bacteria, and turns milk’s natural sugar (lactose) into beta-lactose. Beta-lactose is rapidly absorbed in the human body and can encourage sugar diabetes. Pasteurizing milk destroys most of the vitamins, calcium and some of the iodine in raw milk.
>Homogenizing milk suspends the fat in micro particles that are foreign to your body and may by pass your digestive process and enter your blood stream intact. These can harm your arteries and may help start the infamous arterial plaque formation by chemically burning your endothelium. Homogenization creates xanthine oxidase which acts as a free radical. No.18468
>>18455>>18457Raw dairy is expensive as fuck and difficult to find, or even outright banned in some areas. So the best option for most people is to avoid dairy altogether.
No.18474
>>18468true, only your body can tell you if it's doing more harm than good. I avoid consuming large quantities of it, and only get the best, whole milk organic stuff. I also go with organic yogurt preferably from goat milk. dat protein = dat gainz. my major avoidance is GMO herbicide drenched grains and this alone has helped most of my past health issues.
if you can afford raw milk however, it is absolutely worth it. as we aren't "most people," this information is still noteworthy in case it is an option for some of us.
you can actually get goat or cow's milk off the label "not for human consumption" for "soapmaking" and the like. I'd talk to the owner about their practices however.
if you're in a city with a health store, smelly hippies and vegans and have transportation, goat's milk is also a viable alternative to cow's milk and have seen it in many stores across the USA in urban areas. even pasteurized it's easy to digest.
No.18506
>>18448Out of the replies I received on this, yours is the strangest.
>fad calorie-restrictive dietBut it's not. You don't even need to restrict your calorie-intake because you'll feel more full (supposedly)
>It will raise your insulinReally? The keto theory states that it drops your insulin. By removing
all forms of sugar from your diet–including carbs which can break down into sugar–your insulin levels drop. According to ketoers, insulin has the side-effect of encouraging your fat cells to be more "greedy" and refuse to release their energy so despite all the carbs you've eaten, because they all raised your insulin level and made your fat cells less philanthropic, your body's cells are still starved of energy so you still feel hungry and lethargic and therefore have to eat more food.
>your brain can't use ketones as energyWell yeah, supposedly the brain is capable of and efficient at converting ketones into glucose:
http://www.neurorexia.com/2013/03/24/brain-livin-on-ketones-a-molecular-neuroscience-look-at-the-ketogenic-diet/>No animal in nature calorie-restrictsThat may be true but that doesn't mean that I intend to. Rather, I was hoping that the fullness of keto would allow me to be "naturally calorie-restricted" i.e. feel more comfortable eating 1500-2000 calories a day as opposed to the usual 2500+. I suppose it's more of a restriction-for-me rather than a real restriction.
Overall, I'll take a looky into the high carb/low fat
vegan diets (no processed shit basically) that you've recommended. This is quite a fresh explanation.
No.18535
>>18506
>The keto theory states that it drops your insulinwhat the anon probably means is that it will raise your insulin resistance, dropping your insulin activity, which is exactly what happens. insulin resistance is closely associated with type 2 diabetes, the curable but harmful diet-related form of diabetes.
Regardless of what you do, take this to heart: all carbs are NOT created equally. carbs are necessary.
no matter whether you are paleofag or vegayn, get your carbs. go low-glycemic, high fiber and high resistant starch. these do not affect insulin resistance negatively, creates sustained energy that keeps you satisfied and helps one lose excess adipose mass. think oats, unripened fruits and tons of veggies.
here's an issue that can arise from "keto" with absolute carb avoidance:
>Physiological Insulin Resistatnce (PIR) results from glucose deficiency the same way mucin deficiency induces dry eyes, nostrils, colon and anemia like symptoms. They’re both ways of preserving glucose for your brain.
>When you VLC [very low carb], your muscles become insulin resistant to preserve your glucose for the brain. So while your muscles are running on fatty acids, they become insulin resistant. This leaves glucose for your brain but the net result is your BG going up as you’re “physiologically” insulin resistant. There doesn’t really seem to a problem with this state, as there is with mucin deficiency; it’s not known to induce diabetes or make prediabetics diabetic. At least not according to those who advocate VLCing. I have a feeling however, that this is a disease-prone state.http://freetheanimal.com/2014/02/ketogenic-diets-news.htmlafter having done a low carb paleo/keto type diet and doing intermittent fasting for almost two years, I can say that it is useless at best unless you are currently obese and want to lose some excess lard, or are currently suffering of cancer and need to starve it off at the expense of your energy. on keto your body will naturally make you lethargic, tired and slow to conserve energy even after ketosis kicks in.
a balanced, raw-where-possible diet of vegetables, soaked or sprouted grains and legumes and the occasional fruits is the way to go whether you are fat, fit or a scrawny fuck. interspersed with fasting maybe once a week or a couple times a month will give you the hormetic benefits of keto.
if you can afford and have access to humanely raised, healthy, organic or free range animals who produce good eggs, meat and dairy, by all means get it for the cholesterol, fats and protein.
No.18554
>>18443>>18445>>18446>>18446Fermented foods seem good but they're high in lactic acid which needs to be converted to glucose by our liver - which takes a lot of energy.
People get pretty hyped on the fermented food thing because traditional cultures did it but they forget they did it because it was a necessity they would die without. Would they be healthier with out it?? Maybe, maybe not. Not a very good argument though imo.
>>18450>>18450Reading these studies, the headers you've given them don't give the full picture.
For example.
>Soy milk increased the growth rate of the breast cancer cells. These data indicate that prostate and breast cancer patients should be cautioned about the possible promotional effects of commercial dairy products and their substitutes.Oh so milk is bad for people with possible breast/prostate cancer development AND soy milk?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22043817But even then with your study…
The World Cancer Research Fund in his dietary guidelines states that milk consumption has no overall increasing effect on cancer. It even lowers colorectal cancer, while (possibly) elevating prostate cancer risk. No effect on breast cancer was seen.
http://www.dietandcancerreport.org/Did you even read this one?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24636397
>Our findings suggest that low-fat dairy intake, particularly low-fat milk, is related to higher sperm concentration and progressive motilityAlso a lot of these are about allergies and people diagnosed with stuff, smokers, not normal people.
Btw, I actually suggest skim-milk over whole milk unless you're bulking.
>>18535>raw when possible vegetable diet, occasional fruitsRaw vegetables are not inherently more nutritious than cooked, vitamins and minerals within them are usually less bioavailable when raw and it's harder to digest.
I don't see why you limit fruits? Sugar isn't bad.
Let me say this loud and clear.
SUGAR IS NOT THE CAUSE OF ANY SO CALLED DIABETIC DISEASES
If you have insulin resistance more sugar/fruit actually HELPS.
>In the 1920s, “diabetes” was thought to be a disease of insulin deficiency. Eventually, measurements of insulin showed that “diabetics” often had normal amounts of insulin, or above-normal amounts. There are now “two kinds of diabetes,” with suggestions that “the disease” will soon be further subdivided.
>The degenerative diseases that are associated with hyperglycemia and commonly called diabetes, are only indirectly related to insulin, and as an approach to understanding or treating diabetes, the “glycemic index” of foods is useless. Physiologically, it has no constructive use, and very little meaning.
>Insulin is important in the regulation of blood sugar, but its importance has been exaggerated because of the diabetes/insulin industry. Insulin itself has been found to account for only about 8% of the "insulin-like activity" of the blood, with potassium being probably the largest factor. There probably isn't any process in the body that doesn't potentially affect blood sugar.
>Glucagon, cortisol, adrenalin, growth hormone and thyroid tend to increase the blood sugar, but it is common to interpret hyperglycemia as "diabetes," without measuring any of these factors. Even when "insulin dependent diabetes" is diagnosed, it isn't customary to measure the insulin to see whether it is actually deficient, before writing a prescription for insulin. People resign themselves to a lifetime of insulin injections, without knowing why their blood sugar is high.
>Insulin release is also stimulated by amino acids such as leucine, and insulin stimulates cells to absorb amino acids and to synthesize proteins. Since insulin lowers blood sugar as it disposes of amino acids, eating a large amount of protein without carbohydrate can cause a sharp decrease in blood sugar. This leads to the release of adrenalin and cortisol, which raise the blood sugar. Adrenalin causes fatty acids to be drawn into the blood from fat stores, especially if the liver's glycogen stores are depleted, and cortisol causes tissue protein to be broken down into amino acids, some of which are used in place of carbohydrate.
>Unsaturated fatty acids, adrenaline, and cortisol cause insulin resistance. No.18575
>>185061500-2000 calories a day is calorie restriction. There are high carb vegan girls that eat more than that. Just try to eat 3000 one day whole plant foods, high carbs, and you'll understand why animals don't calorie restrict. Can't find any evidence for not being able to burn fat when glycogen stores are full. Dr. Neal Barnard cured patients with type 2 diabetes by telling them to eat as much carbs and whole plant foods as they wanted and to stay away from animal products and the patients insulin levels wen't down and they also lost fat.
Vegans have the lowest bmi index and most usually have there glycogen tank full since vegan diet is usually high carb. So they are still losing fat.
http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v27/n6/full/0802300a.htmlYou can get lower insulin levels on whole food vegan diet much better. And you don't have to eat 1500-2000 calories.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFIEUjh0jpI No.18619
>>18575I see. That's very interesting because from what I read, you still must apply a calorie-restriction to lose weight if you're on keto. It's just due to the food's nature, you'd be more comfortable with it. I'll look into this vegetarian-carb stuff.
Can you really get all your nutrients on a vegan diet without any kind of pill-supplementation? I've heard the diet get a lot of flak in my time on these imageboards.
No.18623
>>18619vegan/plant based diet gets flak because most people are not raised on it so it is foreign to them
as you may have seen even in this thread there is at least one poster that is
>muh meat>muh milk>muh cheeseburger i gota have itthese kind of people are scared of change and if you were on an imageboard where most posters were raised on vegan/plant based diet then you wouldn't see them as often
not only is a plant based diet optimal for human health but it has much more nutrients than animal product based diets eventhough the animals/animal products themselves are filled with nutrient supplements
I say animal product because no sane person is eating animals in the way a true omnivore/carivore is (raw)
it is often the animal product diets people that are taking supplements (see paleo movement)
No.18624
>>18619>>18623Yes, every paleo guru recommends people take at least ten or so supplements. Look at the sites of Dave Asprey, Mark Sisson, Jack Kruse, Chris Kresser, John Durant, Mercola etc. they all have articles with reccommended nutritional supplements (many of them also
coincidentally sell supplements as well). If this diet is ideal then why does my kitchen need to look like a meth lab with all these pills?
No.18626
>>18554lactic acid is actually a great energy source.
>I don't see why you limit fruits? Sugar isn't bad.Simple sugar isn't inherently bad in small quantities, but it's the glycemic index that is important as well as whether the food item containing it yields any other nutritional benefits.
nice try jewmason
No.18629
>>18626It is fine in small amounts (like most things) but I wouldn't suggest it in large amounts.
The “glycemic index” of foods is useless. Physiologically, it has no constructive use, and very little meaning.
Insulin IS important but it's importance has been VASTLY overstated by diabetes/insulin industry. There probably isn't any process in the body that doesn't potentially affect blood sugar.
Even the taste of sweetness, without swallowing anything, can stimulate the release of glucagon, which raises blood sugar, which goes to show just how stupid the glycemic index is.
And because of the glymecix index hype and the insulin industry, a culture of diabetes and sugar has been fabulized and expanded and modified as new commercial industries found ways to profit from it. Seed oils, fish oils, breakfast cereals, soybean products, and other things that were never eaten by any animal in millions of years of evolution have become commonplace as “foods,” even as “health foods.”
Fructose inhibits the stimulation of insulin by glucose, so this means that eating ordinary sugar, sucrose (a disaccharide, consisting of glucose and fructose), in place of starch, will reduce the tendency to store fat. Eating “complex carbohydrates,” rather than sugars, is a reasonable way to promote obesity.
No.18631
>>18624It is stupid. Mark and Robb both push bullshit supplements and pills.
You don't need to take ANY supplements if you're eating a good diet. (Excluding maybe Vit D if you live where the sun don't shine)
>>18619>Can you really get all your nutrients on a vegan diet without any kind of pill-supplementationNo, no you can't.
>>18623>a plant based diet optimal for human health but it has much more nutrients than animal product based dietsShiggy. Lets focus on the facts here: you can't get the full range of vitamins, minerals and nutrients on a vegan diet without supplement. Fact.
Historically, there are no cultures that have thrived by subsisting off of animal free diets. Another problem with vegan is that it's heavily based on cabbage family, beans, lentils and nuts, these proteins, in quality, rank about 15 times lower than the highest quality protein. And so even you think you’re eating nothing but protein rich foods, beans and nuts, their quality is so low that your liver simply can’t respond to the thyroid.
A vegan diet based on grains and legumes is terrible.
A vegan diet that mainly consists of carbs from fruits/milk/honey, an ample amounts of protein (through dairy, eggs and if you choose to do so, seafood), you'll be well on your way to a very sound and protective nutritional approach.
Of course that's not really vegan though, now is it? Which highlights the problems once again a vegan diet. You just simply cannot get the whole range of vitamins, minerals and nutrients from a vegan diet. End of story.
You can survive, just like you can survive on bananas only (see 30 bananas a day for examples) but that doesn't mean it's optimal or healthy.
A 100% vegan diet for health is as stupid as a 100% steak & eggs diet. By definition, a diet that requires supplementation is not a healthy diet. So the answer is no, you can not be a healthy vegan.
No.18636
>>18275He died from falling and hitting his head on ice,
he had a heart attack the YEAR before, and apparently it was due to an infection.
No.18637
>>18629so we are mostly in agreement or you chose only to attack the points you thought were weak. why the argument then, and throwing out the baby with the bathwater regarding gut bacteria? fermented foods are only one of several means of supporting them.
>[shill detected]or maybe you think I am the same greenpill guy as the vegan. greenpill is a pretty cool flag you know.
>Seed oils, fish oils, breakfast cereals, soybean products, and other things that were never eaten by any animal in millions of years of evolution have become commonplace as “foods,” even as “health foods.”why do you intentionally lump seed and fish oils together with cereals and soybean products? man have been eating seeds and staple grains since we've existed. are you a paleo ideologue?
the only ones that stand out in your wide-brushed generalization are soy and rapeseed (canola). even then, soy has been eaten safely after fermentation. it's when you don't prepare any grains beforehand that you experience problems.
natto (fermented soybean) is a great source of vitamin k2 important for keeping calcium out of your blood (especially if you take vitamin D), and if your gut bacteria aren't good they can't convert vitamin k1 to that form very well. this is important stuff to know about.
flaxseeds and fish pastes (garum) were highly valued, highly nutritious foods to the Romans.
are you going to tell me now this was just some ancient roman health marketing scheme to sell plebeians some flower seeds that taste like dirt and some old fish juice? that would be absurd.
personally, glycemic index is a metric that tells me how much of what will give me a sugar crash and is a reliable estimator of what i should eat. I refer to it because there is nothing else like it to refer to. I suppose it is useless if you stay away from processed plebfood 100%.
when I do eat high glycemic foods like fruits and juices, I have no problems when they are eaten with other foods like eggs or meat or oats or in relatively small quantities. but I'm not going to try and live off fruit juice.
I take them as I sense a need for them which changes with my daily activity level. the more I do, the more I eat. it's that simple. I write from personal experience, not from supplement gurus or other dogmas.
you can come clean now brah, what do you want to sell us
No.18650
>>18164Weston A. Price was a dentist who studied indiginous people around the world in the 20s and 30s He looked for patterns between teeth health, overall heath, and diet and created a radical dietary philosophy most people know parts of but don't understand completely. He was shunned for these and his rejection of traditional dental techniques, like root canals, believing they cause more harm.
His foundation is a great resource. They have information on food that is truely cultured, finding raw milk, the benefits of organ meats, cod liver oil and other mineral dense foods, and alternative dentistry. Sally Falon continues to research and publish with them and you can find her recipes online. Oats should be soaked to remove the undigestable proteins. Grains should be sprouted. There are a lot of undigestable things that can be cultured to provide more nutrients, enzymes, and beneficial bacteria.
http://www.westonaprice.org/>>18275>atkins died of a heart attack from all that fatty food he ate/promotedthere are some cultures that thrive on high fat diets. what's missing from them is simple sugars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM>>18164 No.18652
>>18631all nonsense conjecture and jewlike wording
I am sickened by reading trash like your post
not only does what the plant eaters say make sense but they also look the part (they are not fat/sick/degenerative diseased) which led me to the conclusion that I should test this on myself
the results of switching to a plant based diet where I eat as much as I want has been fat loss, muscle gain, highened senses, more vibrant hair and skin, more energy, faster healing, stronger bones, and best of all I can now breath through my nose well enough that I can cycle up hills with my mouth closed
you are going to have to try much harder with your disinformation
>>18636he had a history of cardio/heart problems
from wikipedia "Pristine, meaning these are very clean arteries. I didn't want people to think that his diet caused his heart muscle – it was definitely a documented viral infection"
died from a "virus" that caused heart problems and it absolutely was NOT from his diet
his widow refused an autopsy
No.18654
>>18448>Keto is another fad calorie restrictive diet.It's a fucking medical diet to treat refractory epilepsy, usually in kids who don't respond to treatment or parents don't want to drug up with a bunch of fucking anticonvulsants, you ass.
>Robert Atkinson died of his shitty diet. High fat diets with moderate to high sugar consumption are terrible. High fat diets are not to blame, it is the sugar. Look up Dr. Robert Lustig.
>You won't feel fuller on ketogenic diet.Have you ever been on keto? Needed to be on keto? How the fuck do you know?
>Calorie restriction doesn't help with meditation.orly? that explains most systems of religion using it forever
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasting#Religious_views No.18658
>>18654>lustiglooks like hes on his way to a heart "virus" just like atkins
fasting is not the same as calorie restiction
did you forget your jewmason flag?
No.18661
>>18658I did. Enjoy your fructose, goy.
No.18665
>>18661I just had 6 ripe organic bananas a few minutes ago
they were great
No.18668
>>18637>man have been eating seeds and staple grains since we've existed.L
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I'll give you seeds, but grains… fucking grains? No way.
The truth about ancient man really ate: whatever the fuck he could get his hands on.
>natto (fermented soybean) is a great source of vitamin k2 important for keeping calcium out of your blood (especially if you take vitamin D), and if your gut bacteria aren't good they can't convert vitamin k1 to that form very well. this is important stuff to know about.I supplement vitamin k2, it's the only thing I supplement. inb4 "shill!".
>>18652>>18652awesome, anecdotal evidence. i got that too.
my diet makes me feel great, stronger, blah blah.
>>18654>sugar is badstop
spreading
this
myth
Fructose actually has a lot of benefits, the only problem is that if in too high a free amount in the intestinal lumen at once the body might have a hard time absorbing it all (most fructose moves across the lumen membrane with the help of glucose, which is why sucrose is great, it has a perfect 1:1 ratio, as do most fruits).
A little free fructose is no problem.
Too much HFCS or plain fructose at once MIGHT give you gas and brainfog because of the malabsorbtion, but fructose it in of itself is not problematic.
The studies saying fructose is bad USE UNREALISTIC DOSES of the sugar unaccompanied by glucose, it also turns out that the rodents researchers have studied metabolize fructose in a very different way than people do—far more different than originally anticipated. Studies that have traced fructose’s fantastic voyage through the human body suggest that the liver converts as much as 50 percent of FRUCTOSE into GLUCOSE, around 30 percent of FRUCTOSE into LACTATE and less than one percent into FATS. In contrast, mice and rats turn more than >>>50 PERCENT OF FRUCTOSE INTO FATS<<<, so experiments with these animals exaggerate the significance of fructose’s proposed detriments for humans, especially clogged arteries, fatty livers and insulin resistance.
No.18672
>>18619You just need b12. B12 supplements are dirt fucking cheap 15 bucks for a years supply. Even cheaper if you get the cyanocobalamin kind. Take 2500mcg-7000mcg a week. You can also get it from nutritional yeast, river water, well water, even dirt. Also B12 isn't a vegan issue. You would naturally get it if you pluck out a carrot from the ground and just eat it without washing it and also from river water or well water but not everyone has acces to river water or well water. Also 40% of americans are b12 deficient, its an old study and i'm too lazy to post it up but americans diet's haven't changed much so it still might be 40%.
You don't really need Vitamin D unless you don't get enough sun, don't want to go out in the sun, or have absorption issues. Vitamin D3 is cheap also, you only need 2000ui a day. Some supplements instructions on the bottle make you take 10000ui a day so make sure you know how much is in a pill.
No.18673
>>18668>Fructose actually has a lot of benefitscare to enlighten me?
ogliosaccharides are beneficial. fructose in a moderate amount of fruit usually has enough fiber to not make it an issue. but i fail to see how consuming fructose or table sugar in general is heathy.
No.18675
>>18673>>18673Fructose has a protective role in the metabolism and also increases the metabolic rate – Research links here and here
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8213608http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19591975if fructose is bad wha tabout fruit?
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/if-fructose-is-bad-what-about-fruit/Fructose improves glucose tolerance in adults with Type 2 Diabetes (research link here) and decreased the glycemic response in normal adults – Research link here.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11679451http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11134101 No.18682
How is this diet?
No.18683
No.18686
No.18691
>>18686raw this, raw that
raw fucking wheat sprouts
has tons of grains and loads of pufa from fish.
No.18723
>>18691Cooking removes the etheric lifeforce energy in food…
No.18740
>>18723you are still in a physical body and a physical body has certain requirements
cooked food is much easier to digest
No.18745
Any thoughts on kombucha fermented teas?
No.18749
>>18745If you can handle the lactic acid, go for it.
>>18723And thank god for that.
No.18752
>>18745it gives me headaches
No.18789
http://www.halosfun.com/halos-story/I'm eating a ton of these oranges right now. Are they greenpilled?
No.18790
>>18789>tfw most of my oranges have tons of seeds in them even though the site says they are seedlessgonna make a vid about this to troll the company
No.18791
>>18745it's amazing when you make it yourself. everyone who I could tell who needed it loved it when they tried it, provided it wasn't sour vinegar by the time they had some. it can get very acidic very quickly.
it's a good probiotic. just make sure you aren't sensitive to histamines or already overloaded with foods containing or triggering histamine release.
the bottled stuff like KT's brand is alright but pricey.
>>18668>>18650fellow WAPF fag here.
if you ferment or soak your grains you're good brah. the bacteria take care of everything. the worst part about grains in general is the Dow Chemical herbicides. if you grow your own or go organic non-GMO you're fine as long as your foods are not mostly just grains.
>>18723dat missing lifeforce energy is generated by your gut flora.
also instead of eating just raw or just cooked I eat a little of both. never raw grains of course. eating raw+cooked gives you a full spectrum of nutrients exclusive to just one method or the other.
just pay attention to how your body responds. you'll learn what works and what doesn't.
No.18830
Is PET greenpilled?http://www.factsonpet.com/facts-on-pet/I have one of these bottles, 1.5L capacity, and it held Aloe Vera Drink in it. I want to repurpose it as a water bottle for myself. Will I die of ZOG jew chemicals using this thing as a water bottle?
No.18831
>1 Polyethylene terephthalate (PET or PETE)>Used to make soft drink, water, sports drink, ketchup, and salad dressing bottles, and peanut butter, pickle, jelly and jam jars.>GOOD: Not known to leach any chemicals that are suspected of causing cancer or disrupting hormones.http://www.care2.com/greenliving/which-plastics-are-safe.html No.18832
>In Michoacán, a state in western Mexico, the avocado is commonly referred to as oro verde, green gold, because it yields more cash than any other crop—including marijuana. And anytime there’s money to be made, corruption isn’t far behind.http://www.care2.com/greenliving/the-horrifying-truth-about-avocados.html No.18840
>>18830>Commentary published in Environmental Health Perspectives in April 2010 suggested that PET might yield endocrine disruptors under conditions of common use and recommended[19] research on this topic. Proposed mechanisms include leaching of phthalates as well as leaching of antimony. Article published in Journal of Environmental Monitoring in April 2012 concludes that antimony concentration in deionized water stored in PET bottles stays[20] within EU's acceptable limit even if stored briefly at temperatures up to 60 °C (140 °F), while bottled contents (water or soft drinks) may occasionally exceed the EU limit after less than a year of storage at room temperature.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyethylene_terephthalate#SafetyOh dear. Better stick to my glass water bottles.
No.18844
>>18840>Much of the plastic that can be traced to health risks is latent in disease epidemiology and outcomes often appear months or years later. William Shotyk (2006) has performed two studies concerning contamination and leaching in PET containers in storage capacities. One study was undertaken to research the notion of “storage dose” of water in acid-cleaned LDPE bottles compared to that of PET bottles indicated that after three months of storage at room temperature, the water in the PET bottle yielded nearly 200% more of the Sb chemical concentration.[12] This study provides insight on the storage capacity of the water contained in PET bottles and elevates the need to regularly use and replace water stored for emergencies in such bottle types. It is important to read the expiration date of the bottles and dispose of water that has been stored under conditions that increase potentially hazardous chemical leeching.[13]
>Bottle manufacturing relies on fossil fuels and natural resources. Some manufacturing processes release toxic chemicals into the air and water supply that can adversely affect nervous systems, blood, kidneys, immune systems, and can cause cancer and birth defects.[14] Most disposable water bottles are made from petroleum derived polyethylene terephthalate (PET). While PET is considered less toxic than many other types of plastic, the Berkely Ecology Center found that manufacturing PET generates toxic emissions in the form of nickel, ethylbenzene, ethylene oxide and benzene at levels 100 times higher than those created to make the same amount of glass.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_bottle#Multi-use_plastic_water_bottles[paranoia intensifies]
No.18873
Turns out GMOs are good for you you fucking luddites 01/18/15 (Sun) 13:51:52 No.18586>>18588 >>18603 [Watch Thread]
http://www.popsci.com/article/science/usda-approves-genetically-modified-potato-possible-health-benefits
>When fried, the new potatoes, called Innate potatoes, produce less of a chemical called acrylamide. It's most abundant in French fries and potato chips. It also appears in tobacco smoke. Scientists think acrylamide raises people's risk for certain cancers. 01/18/15 (Sun) 14:02:00 No.18587
born too late to be a luddite about computing technology, born just in time to live in fear of new biotechnology
01/18/15 (Sun) 14:06:19 No.18588>>18628
>>18586 (OP)But I'm not a luddite. I'm actually okay with many GMO products, just not all of them. Yellow rice and super potato are perfectly reasonable in my book.
Also this is magic land, you might be looking for /x/ or /pol/.
01/18/15 (Sun) 14:06:52 No.18590>>18594
You do know that when lead was being used for many things that there was tons of propaganda out there supporting it?
When the panic began the industry released a commercial featuring a lead made nutcracker talking to a child saying that it was a better toy because it was made of lead.
Yeah, GMOS may or may not be bad, but there's not enough evidence yet that it's good. For all you know you're eating lead food until science thoroughly flushes it out.
01/18/15 (Sun) 14:32:12 No.18594>>18628 >>18703
>>18590There is more anti-GMO propaganda than pro-GMO
01/18/15 (Sun) 15:48:36 No.18603>>18621
>>18586 (OP)>implying op is not a kike/kike shill 01/18/15 (Sun) 18:30:28 No.18621>>18628
>>18603Kikes are anti-GMO, that is why most countries have banned GMO
the GMO red herring Greenpill 01/18/15 (Sun) 19:37:00 No.18628>>18634
>>18621>>18594controlled opposition. it's not that jews are "anti-gmo," they sit on both sides. they just let their gentile richfriends reap the profits then trade money down the line.
anyways, notice how many critics can't argue their point against GM farming methods beyond "it's not natural." muh frankenfoods. not much substance behind it.
if we brought the discussion back to the herbicides, using scientific information, the argument would change quickly. but whenever the discussion goes to GM foods, you get a ton of shills, boardsliding and manipulation by people who mysteriously all happen to have credentials in biology and agriculture.
there is a huge industry invested in this stuff. follow the money.
if GM was so great, why do they need to douse it with toxic herbicides like glyphosate (brandnames Roundup and Enlist Duo) by Dow chemical corp with the same shit they used in Agent Orange in vietnam that had the teratogenic dioxins?
the same company that manufactures those seeds guarantees themselves an extra cut of the profits because they also manufacture the poisons that kill the weeds.
no matter if the weeds are becoming extra resistant. no matter if the herbicides are known to cause cancers and to block hormones like testosterone. they just "wash off" easily, right? of course they do, that's why we're finding it in our bodies and in our environment.
>>18588unfortunately yellow rice hasn't been approved and doesn't contain enough of vitamin A to be a viable source for it. it's just a philanthropic-on-the-surface pet project.
many successes attributed to GM are actually a result of traditional selection and hybridization. GM is just a means to make plants into intellectual properties that companies can sue for. if your crops contain that one proprietary gene, they get something like royalties. and if you don't pay up, you're getting sued fucker.
It's kinda like Apple or Microsoft, which isn't surprising when you consider that Bill Gate$ is all about that GM foods for "feeding the poor" and whatnot.
they love capitalism when there's a profit to be made, and they love socialism when you need to bail yourself out.
No.18874
>>18873 Conspiracy Theorist 01/18/15 (Sun) 20:07:29 No.18634>>18638
>>18628Natural food will be always better no matter what.
Basic occult truth: everything is connected and in relation with everything else.
If you modify genes artificially, you never know what's going to happen.
If you disrupt the balance, something unexpected will happen for sure. It might be harmless, but I'd rather not risk it and just eat what we ate for fucking thousands of years.
Also, they don't do it "because it's better", but because they can make money out of it, it's just like the pharmaceutical industry.
I'm staying the hell away from it.
We shouldn't even need "scientific proof", it's common sense.
Greenpill 01/18/15 (Sun) 20:30:37 No.18638>>18642
>>18634
>Natural food will be always better no matter what.
>Basic occult truth: everything is connected and in relation with everything else.
>If you modify genes artificially, you never know what's going to happen.
>If you disrupt the balance, something unexpected will happen for sure. It might be harmless, but I'd rather not risk it and just eat what we ate for fucking thousands of years.I am in agreement here. Are you in agreement with my post?
>We shouldn't even need "scientific proof", it's common sense.It is common sense, but it's also good to know should someone try to begin a dialectic or a rhetoric-that-looks-like-dialectic discussion. science is used as a rhetorical tool against us and I believe one should know how to use it in these discussions.
keep in mind the herbicides are the most severe source of damage, and the GM part while potentially harmful is played up as a red herring to make GMO opponents look paranoid. for all we know they play up the importance of the GMO part when in reality they probably know very little about genetic modification.
The GMO crops have yet to be proven harmful (by the establishment's own sources), but the establishment already acknowledges the herbicides are harmful which is why we don't see many people talking about them or addressing them in legislation. Google "pubmed glyphosate".
they will never address the harm caused by herbicides glyphosate or 2,4-D (now branded as Enlist Duo) because they paid off the EPA to allow their use. they claim it isn't deadly enough to consider harmful because it doesn't cause immediate severe damage to the body or gut bacteria. down the line though…
Conspiracy Theorist 01/18/15 (Sun) 21:02:03 No.18642
>>18638Yeah I agree, I just wanted to give my >opinion
Of course everyone focuses on the "genetic" issue, that's the big thing about GMOs, they're genetically modified, some people say that the changes are harmless, some say they aren't, but that's just a big distraction. They fail to realize how nature adapts to modifications with new parasites and new weed, thus artificially creating the need for new chemicals, and poisonous chemicals at that.
As usual, it's big scam for profit, just look at the whole Monsanto deal.
People just look at the surface, and as always they don't get it.
Not many people have enough consideration for their health, and that's too bad, because an healthy body is key when it comes to personal development.
☻ (You) Cult of Smileberg 01/18/15 (Sun) 21:03:07 No.18644
Please delete this thread and repost its content in the thread dedicated to this subject which already exists.
Conspiracy Theorist 01/19/15 (Mon) 05:36:56 No.18703
>>18594Who has the higher quality propaganda though?
I'd rather stick with natural fucking food that has been reliably consumed for thousands of years without giving problems.
There are way too many non-flag users in this thread btw, looks like bans need to be handed out.
No.18875
rebuild
No.18918
Hi, about fasting. Sometimes when I had fasted, you feel absolutely amazing. High even. Other times it's just sluggishness. Does anyone have any explanation for this? Anorexia sure was an interesting experience, "recovery" sucks because your body really isn't suited to a "normal" amount of food anymore, it's completely unbalanced. Now I have loads of dead weight and cellulite and bad skin, healing capabilities are lessened, everything sucks it was better before. Cellulite at 130 pounds, it's possible!
And food binging is interesting. It is actually healthy if you do it correctly(got fat from bad health from work, not this) You can binge if your body is prepared properly, you will know when it is. In my case it was from sexual energy, I have a binging fetish so you know how that works, but it's funny that I had this at the same time as ana, but thinking of starving myself also makes me horny, what gives?. It was done once per week, it's was really fun and you body gets really warm and you might want to rest. Wish I could still do it…
No.18934
>>18873in the mega folder there is a book called "Revelations of an Elite Family Insider" and "insider" said he only eats "uncorrupted" food
uncorrupted would most likely mean organic/natural
whether or not "insider" is legit or not does not matter because the wording suggests that gmo foods are "corrupted" and when you think about it they really are corrupted
No.18939
>>18830I wouldn't suggest using a plastic bottle as a water bottle everybody.
A stainless steel bottle will last a lot longer and is much safer.
No.19540
So I tried a vegan diet for about a month, I experienced a nice sensation of peace, but it was followed by a sensation of completely apathy, I was feeling almost braindead until I decided to eat two pieces of chicken, then suddenly I felt alive again, it felt like strength was once again flowing through my whole body.
Well my theory is that the way I applied the vegan diet was shit or I'm simply not prepared.
Opinions, wizards? I mean maybe all I need to do is get a shitload of loosh like you guys do, and I can live eating only a grain of rice each day.
No.19547
Recent advice that I was given by a powerful wizard. I'm sure some of it has been covered but here it is
"It has become very clear in this Age of Information that the population of the world has been manipulated for the sake of corporate profits and political power. The pharmaceutical companies, the chemical company giants and commercial agriculture are not concerned with promoting human or environmental health, but instead, making money off of diseases, symptom care and poisoning the environment of t…his world that is our home. In the pharmaceutical industry, if a market area begins to taper off, they simply create a another one by inventing a new disease. They do this by "upgrading" a common symptom into a disease status. The USDA uses tax payer money to promote soy products, corn products, wheat products, pasteurized milk and cheese, canola oil, cottonseed oil, etc., all of which cause chronic conditions and diseases and are designed to put more profits into the pockets of corporate food producers and the medical system at large. And with the promoting of GMO crops and monoculture comes billions of tons of highly toxic pesticides and fertilizers that appear to be the reason for the decimation of the bee populations and the valuable organisms in the soil itself. These practices are killing the earth, literally, and everything upon the earth and everything in the water as well. But you don't have to fall for these corporate and governmental policy tactics. All that is needed is to see them for what they are: manipulative marketing ploys. You can reclaim control over yours and your family's health. You no longer have to put up with this insanity. By educating yourself, you can learn to see through the main-streamed propaganda that is strangling this world and stop being deceived by the FDA, the USDA, the drug companies, commercial agriculture, the chemical companies, etc.,. Recognize their lies and deceptions and see them for what they are. By coming together on the truth about the world around us we can end the senseless and foolish wasting of our resources. High-cost symptom care, low-nutrition foods, toxic pesticides, etc., don't work and they are detrimental to our health and to the health of the environment.
Guidelines for health:
All diseases, disorders and toxic damage to the body are reversible and can be overcome with high-density nutrition combined with toxin elimination. The only medicine that is required for any full recovery is a mostly raw, organic diet. At least 80% of your diet should be raw, organic vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds and some gluten-free grains. Also, the sea vegetables have 10 to 20 times the nutritional density of the best organic land vegetables and have much higher levels of absorbable protein than meat.
This should be combined with the elimination of toxins (that we, in modern society, are inundated with everyday). A simple way to reduce toxins in the body is with food-grade diatomaceous earth or bentonite clay or zeolite. Take it at bedtime so that it works to round up toxins and free radicals while you sleep.
When you consume animal products drink only raw, unpasteurized milk, eat only free-range, antibiotic/hormone free eggs (without a soy diet) and unpasteurized raw milk cheese. Beef and chicken should be free-range, grass fed, grass-finished, organic and hormone/antibiotic free and should not be raised or finished on grain feeds. [note: radiation pools into animals and animal products to a much greater extent than it pools into plants].
Anything cooked should be cooked at low temperature. Never turn your stove top up over halfway. It takes longer to cook but you won’t destroy the naturally occurring enzymes that are the delivery system for the nutrients to get to your cells. Cook and store food only in glass, stainless steel, iron and ceramic pans and containers.
Probiotics are crucial. They repopulate your intestines with beneficial bacteria making it possible for your body to break down and absorb nutrition. 75% of your immune system is in your gut. There is a strong gut connection to every other component of your body.-
No.19548
-Free glutamic acids are isolated strands of amino acids that have been separated from naturally occurring protein compounds of 8 or more amino acids. Naturally occurring protein is very healthy, whereas, protein isolates are extremely harmful. The most notable free glutamic acid is MSG but they come in a wide variety of forms and names. Therefore, you should avoid the following ingredients on food and body product labels: anything hydrolyzed, anything autolyzed, anything isolate, anything extract, anything hydrogenated and anything in general that you can’t pronounce or don’t know the meaning of. See
http://www.truthinlabeling.org/hiddensources.html for a complete list of ingredients to avoid.
All soy products should be avoided completely (unless fermented. note: tofu is not fermented, it's curdled, and toxic). The structure of soy is extemely harmful to humans and animals. (There are only 3 fermented soy food products that are beneficial–all 3 are traditional Japanese foods: miso, tempeh and natto).
Avoid all artificial sweeteners, especially neotame and aspartame (which is being renamed amino-sweet). For a no-carb, no-calorie sweetener use Stevia without “other ingredients” added. All soft drinks should be avoided, especially zero-cal and low-cal. The two most beneficial sweeteners are organic grade B maple syrup and organic evaporated cane juice (sucanat). They contain all of their naturally occurring minerals and are balanced: meaning they do not disrupt insulin levels.
Drink filtered water in glass containers (with trace minerals added back in and set in the sunlight to restructure). Never drink tap water or any bottled water in plastic containers. Fluoride and BPA are extremely harmful to the human body–especially to women and children.
Avoid all GMO’s. You can get the non-GMO shopping guide at www.resposibletechnology.org Approximately 90% of all corn, soy, canola are GMO and approximately 90% of cottonseed oil is GMO. GMO alfalfa has been fully deregulated and most of the alfalfa crops will now be GMO. GMO sugar beets have been partially deregulated and will be prominent very soon. And a growing number of squash, rice and mangoes are GMO. Even organic corn, organic soy, organic canola and organic cottonseed should be avoided because the organic crops have been compromised by GMO crop pollen. This has also happened with flax crops and, now, with beets and alfalfa.
The juicing of fresh organic fruits and vegetables is unparalleled for nutritional impact. Recommended for juicing: organic carrots, organic apples, organic beets and beet greens, organic kale and other organic greens (this combination is delicious and covers the nutritional spectrum well–it also chelates toxins from the system). Fresh organic vegetable juices are a nutritional powerhouse.
Use Pink Himalayan Sea Salt (it has a full spectrum of trace minerals that are extremely beneficial) or sea salt. Never use table salt.
The best supplements are botanical (actual plants: harvested, dried, powdered and capped). Common multi-vitamin/mineral tablets offer little benefit: they are not highly absorbable and they contain toxins. Take supplements with a nutritious meal consisting of plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables because the best enzymes occur naturally in organic fruits and vegetables and thereby deliver the nutrition and supplemental nutrition more effectively to your cells where it’s needed.
Essential fatty acids (omega 3's are the only oils you need to supplement) are, in fact, ESSENTIAL. Recommended: Krill oil and organic virgin coconut oil.
Never take calcium supplements. They calcify and harden your arteries, tissues and organs. Calcium is made by your body from Magnesium, potassium and silica. Your body will make the calcium it needs from these three ingredients and won't make more than it needs. Take highly absorbable forms of potassium and magnesium such as in the citrate form. Food grade diatomaceous earth is 100% silica. Take vitamin D3 (and the corresponding appropriate amount of vitamin K2) as the D3 is an important part of the calcium up-take process.
Apricot seed powder, Moringa leaf powder, Noni fruit powder, Maitake mushroom powder and Broccoli sprout powder are excellent for correcting cancer. Also, Moringa leaf and Bee Pollen both contain all of the essential amino acids allowing your body to build the protein it needs without your system becoming over-protein-ized, which is very detrimental and toxic.
And last but not least: GLUTEN. A gluten-free diet is necessary for life. ALL GLUTEN introduces a degenerating/inflammatory effect inside of the body. It becomes a neuro-toxin (in the form of a partially digested protein, which then wreaks havoc in the body, ie: alzheimer's disease, multiple sclerosis, auto-immune disorders, etc,). Do your own research on gluten to find out why it should NEVER be put into your mouth.-
No.19549
-The toxic chemicals in pharmaceutical drugs, processed foods, plastic containers, tap water, body care products, etc., etc., etc., create the same kind of body condition that advanced cancer and other chronic diseases cause. ALL human disease, disorder and toxicity have the same recovery requirement (which is) the highest and purest nutritional input combined with toxin elimination and ceasing exposure to toxins. Toxins are in everything: processed foods, laundry detergent, hair care products, make-up, tap water, plastic containers, linings in canned goods, non-stick cookware, aluminum cans, new carpet, amalgam fillings, room deodorizers–and the list goes on and on and on. The total daily toxic load on the average Earthling is simply too great for the body to function properly. Identify and remove the toxins from your home. Be diligent.
ALL vaccines should be avoided. I recommend that you visit www.VaccineResistanceMovement.org to educate yourself on vaccines. Pure liquid Vitamin D3 and oregano oil are the best preventions for flu and other infections [note: take 100 mcg's of vitamin K2 for every 1000 IU's of vitamin D3]. Probiotics repopulate the lower intestines with beneficial bacteria. 75% of the immune system is in the lower intestine where whatever is put into the body is transferred to the cells by your gut bacteria. There are extremely harmful side effects from vaccines–the worst (but least apparent) being a compromised immune system (tied to the gut trauma caused by vaccines). I don’t recommend ever seeing a doctor for anything except for physical damage (such as a broken bone or a laceration–injuries). All diseases and conditions can be reversed and prevented through high-density nutrition and toxin elimination.
If you are going to be healthy and happy and live a long, productive life you must completely rethink the way you live on a daily basis. The more you research and educate yourself the better off you will be. Of course, you must act on what you learn and, remember, half measures will get you only half results at best. We live in a cause and effect universe so the more you follow the guidelines outlined here the better your results will be. And the more you expose yourself to toxins, eat low-nutrition processed foods and run to the doctor for pharmaceutical treatments, the worse your results will be.
When you buy organic you take business away from commercial agriculture which is dumping millions of tons of pesticides and other toxins into the environment and dumping GMO pesticide producing bacteria into your body. When you are healthy you don’t need a doctor, or the toxic drugs he will prescribe, and this takes business away from the big drug makers who are also dumping millions of tons of toxins into the environment and into our bodies. By doing what’s good for you and your family you are contributing to a better world for yourself and for everyone. Sustainable agriculture, sustainable energy, sustainable economy, sustainable everything is the way of Light. The growth model is destructive. The sustainable model is productive. With an organic diet your grocery bill may increase slightly but you will no longer pay for doctors or medications and you will become healthy and happy and be able to enjoy life to the fullest. What is that worth to you?
All of the information presented here is opinion only and is not intended to be medical advice. The information presented here is for educational and entertainment purposes only. It is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. You should consult your physician or other health care professional before using any vitamins or supplements or any other fitness program to determine if it is right for your body. If you endeavor to do the research, and then, take action on what you learn, you will become healthy."
No.19552
>>19540You didn't count calories. Didn't eat enough. 1000 calories of fruit and veggies fill up your belly and weighs more than 1000 calories of animal products. You can't just eat till you feel like you've had enough because your belly isn't used to the volume. You have to count every calorie and make sure you are getting at least 3000 calories if you are an adult male. Eat mostly raw fruits and greens they are the easiest to digest and they don't cause any mucus or much stress in the body. Greens have the least calories per pound, then fruits, then tubers, then grains, and finally beans. So your priority for calories should be 1st-fruits 2nd-tubers 3rd-grains, 4th-beans, and have your greens on the side. Leafy greens are the easiest to digest and don't cause problems in large amounts like 5 heads of lettuce, kale and broccoli and other greens do cause problems in higher amounts but are perfect in smaller amounts. Also eat nuts and seeds on the side too.
No.19554
>>19552Thanks for the advice, anon, I imagine that could be the case.
I'll switch to my normal diet for now, prevent any possible nutrient deficit I maybe have caused to my vessel, then I'll try that, specially after I guaranteed my spiritual immortality.
No.19567
I have unlimited organic oranges, unlimited organic sourdough rye bread, two bottles of the purest water from Norway, honey, and unlimited oatmeal. Lots of frozen fruits as well of various sorts, mostly berries.
What should I do in order to achieve optimal well-being for a whole day with what I have?
No.19598
>>19567Give the bread to someone that is actually starving to death. Bread doesn't help. Oatmeal too, but I find that it's not quite as detrimental. If you stop eating a certain food for a while you may find that you will naturally cease to crave it or even develop a distaste for it.
No.19599
>>19598I do not crave any food at all though and have a distaste for everything. I just never want to eat.
No.19602
>>19540it sounds like you just didn't eat enough
I often eat 4000+ calories a day (vegan) which is way more than I use but I have my reasons
here is an example of the mistake you most likely made
if I consume 6 bananas for breakfast before my cycle to work (~5km) I will feel tired/spent/lethargic halfway there but if I consume a smaller mass than 6 bananas in rice/oatmeal/pasta I will be able to pedal with no troubles all the way there
now if I want to have that same energized feeling from eating grains as with fruit I would have to gorge myself on fruit to the point where I feel I could not eat anymore
I have tested this many times and found it to be consistent
in essense, eat more
No.19603
>>19602How the fuck do you consume so much? All the food I have barely has any fucking calories and I rarely manage to even get more than 1k calories in me after much struggle, trying to eat as much as I can. I hate eating and I hate how I basically have to spend almost all day constantly eating to get all these calories. What super calorie rich foods are you eating? How much food do you eat in a day?
No.19604
Maybe I should ignore calories and start thinking about my food in terms of pounds.
No.19605
>>19602Eating a lot feels wrong to me. Granted, I don't work or study atm. So the needs are different. I am always looking for ways to eat less.
No.19606
>>19605I am getting so pissed reading so many sites and comments from so many people that have an abundance of food and actually want to eat less and lose weight.
I can't gain any fucking weight.
FML
No.19607
>>19603it most likely has to do with a mental projection that I started before I knew about /fringe/ or magic
I simply wanted to get stronger, physically and mentally
so it is likely that my body has adapted to this projection allowing me to eat absurd amounts of food in one sitting (if you saw how much you would agree)
consequently I tend to build muscle and lose fat without even really doing anything and my body is slowly transforming into the mental image I wanted
eat big to get big
I always knew about the power of the mind but I lack in knowledge and am still able to get results
it sounds like you have far more knowledge than me but you lack the willpower or resolve to use it
No.19618
Is this meal Iron Pill approved?
No.19619
>>19618I ate all of it btw including the chicken bones.
No.19622
>>19618Replace the chicken with veggie mixture, otherwise we had the same meal. I would imagine eggs and chicken meat are pretty /fit/.
I haven't eaten meat for some time now. There's no chicken and I only eat white meat.
Is that rye bread? We eat a lot of rye bread here in Northern Europe. 's good.
No.19624
>>19622Yes I have unlimited organic sourdough rye bread. Like right now I've got a whole fucking box of it… and I can get a whole new box twice a week. It is way too much and most of it I give to squirrels.
What is white meat?
Where in Northern Europe do you live?
No.19628
>>19624Finland.
White meat (poultry, rabbit, etc.) is considered more healthier than red meat (cow, sheep, horse). What I've read is that red meat might cause cancer, but then again there's the amount of good vitamins red meat contains, (which is more than in white meat).
http://www.diet-blog.com/07/dark_meat_vs_white_meat_whats_the_difference.php might be of interest.
No.19631
I found this to be an excellent resource on the Pineal Gland:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTC_eeJj7zE No.19635
>>19618it is almost like you didn't even read a thing in this thread or as usual you are "loosh farming"
No.19647
>>19628The issue with red meat supposedly causing cancer may be related to CAFO operations feeding animals GM/herbicide grains and/or processed red meat products like hot dogs. Most of the meat out there is not fit for regular consumption.
>>19618IMO yes it is. organic, real sourdough is supposed to be fantastic.
No.19664
>>19647I see. I am picky of what meat I eat, so I usually avoid eating it if I don't know how it was made.
If you get the chance, eat some Finnish ruisleipä, it tastes great. Eat with eggs for bonus.
No.19735
>>19540That is because a vegan diet causes adrenal fatigue. Vegans don't like to admit it, but you need the minerals and vitamins in meat. Organ meat and blood are the best source of these.
No.19941
I ate pic related (by taking a dish my dad made and then adding a whole can of soup to it), twice in a row, and a whole loaf of bread, and 4 yoghurts, and like 2 cans of juice, all at once.
I think it was probably 1,500 calories total.
It was the most I've ever been able to force myself to eat and I had no appetite from the start.
The reptilian supposedly eats 3,000 calories in every single meal. If so that just leaves me completely bootyblasted. I just can't physically achieve that.
No.19957
>>18066>tfw had a great synchronicity at the gym todayBeen doing SL 5x5 for about 6 months now. Never had anyone really critique my DL or Squats, decided I would ask one of the personal trainers at my gym for a session for some critique. Anyways, 3 days ago I wanted to ask, but got sidetracked and forgot. Today when I walked into the gym one of the PT's came up to me and said he was a powerlifter and could help me with my DL and squats…for free! Read my goddamn mind, I figure he was trying to drum up business, but the coincidence made my day anyways.
Have good lifts fellow wizards, and shoo away the gains goblin!!
No.20040
I am completely out of food today except oatmeal and bread and oranges. FML. I need moar GAINS food for the next fight, I am still all shredded up and bruised and bloody from the previous one.
No.20308
I just spent $40.67 on high quality protein, there was an even better protein source that was mixed with other stuff that would give me some insanely awesome health but fuck it, I'll hopefully get that later (it costs $60.00)… I emptied all my pockets of coins and am broke now, will need to find a way to get more money. I also requested the baker guy to make me a ton of organic pizzas, and if he does that, I'll be eating 5 pizzas every day. My dad also got a ton of eggs and I'm going to be eating at least 4 eggs and 2 sausages with every meal and he got more honey (I ran out of honey for my oatmeal). I've also been consuming huge quantities of frozen fruit with milk, I'm not sure how much exactly, but it's an insane amount. I am really upping my GAINS to the max and starting to feel a lot better with my sleeping on the floor and everything.
Third pic I meant to upload a few days ago, it's pasta with maple syrup. Maple syrup is like ambrosia/liquid-gold/etc. it's so damned expensive and vital.
Any tips on how I make the very best use of my protein for repairing my muscles, improving my sleep, and how much to consume immediately before and after an intense workout… and how much to consume on a day I'm not doing anything physical work (maybe just intense meditation)?
No.20310
>>20308I also just consumed a whole bowl of cherries.
No.20319
>>20308>Maple syrup is like ambrosia/liquid-gold/etc. it's so damned expensive and vital.confirmed Canadian
No.20320
>>20308fukk smiley didt u just had protein overdose
No.20322
>>20320Nah, I didn't even get close to protein overdose, and even if I were to overdose nobody actually dies from protein overdoses unless they've already got some fucked up condition.
That should last me for 18 days.
No.20357
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTtMDbMYnGMFantastic Green pill on water here. Talks about water distillation, effects, and how your current water keeps you sickly.
No.20358
>>20357Haven't seen this, but Vinny Eastwood always has good guests on his show and he is greenpilled himself. His other interview videos are definitely worth checking out.
No.20359
>>20357I read a chapter out of "Practical Watercure" last night. *synchronicity detected*
No.20360
>>20357Is comment related a good idea or not to increase the value of all my fruits and vegetables before I eat them?
No.20361
>>20358after getting halfway through the video I subbed. It's amazing how hermetic principles work. Even Weber himself explains how the distilled water is at a higher vibration because of less clutter, and that is what brings about the benefits… and how our bodies work better when they themselves are without clutter… as below, as above… incredible.
No.20362
>>20361Pure salt (sodium chloride) is extremely unhealthy for you whereas Celtic Sea Salt or other fancy salts which are a lot more than mere Sodium Chloride are actually really health for you.
No.20363
>>20361Yeah, totally man the hermetic axioms have also been long referred to as things like Universal Law and Natural Law. They work 100% of the time without failure.
No.20364
>>20362alright thanks I'll try to keep that in mind, although I'm not sure what that has to do with water.
No.20365
>>20364Well it doesn't directly, I'm just speaking to your point about the hermetic principles. There's an infinite amount of ways that we can apply them in our lives.
No.20366
>>20364Where is your flag?
It's comment on what you were saying about cluttering / purity.
Some substances in their pure form are highly destructive and unbalanced.
No.20367
>>20366So it's kind of like how sugar,sugar in cookies, cakes, etc… is bad, but sugar in oranges and bananas is good? And yeah i forgot to select the flag that time.
No.20368
>>20367I guess so. I consume tons of sugar in the form of honey and fruits and it's not bad for me at all. I also have some maple syrup right now but that won't last long… also I noticed there's a ton of jam all of a sudden available in the refrigerator, so I'll be eating that with my oatmeal soon enough.
No.20370
>>20368Have you heard of candida, Smiley? Too much sugar feeds it and it is a fungus that's hell to get rid of.
No.20371
>>20368sounds like something you might need to balance out a little lol
No.20372
>>20370That's only processed sugar. It is important to keep in mind that all the studies that show sugar is bad do not apply to organic fruit. One is a perfect food created by nature designed to be eaten to be eaten by animals, and the other is a processed product created by corporations to addict people to their food.
No.20374
>>20370Yeah the baker guy I work for talks about it practically every single day he sells bread for years. All of the sourdough bread is perfect for people that want to be on a candida-free diet. I doubt I have any candida problem as I don't consume anything that contributes to it, my honey and fruit is NOT going to give me candida, it would stuff like regular sugar and also sodas and white bread and so on that would give me that problem…
>>20371The only thing my diet was really deficient in was protein. I consumed extremely little protein for a long time as my diet was pretty much just fruit and bread and some vegetables. Now I have a lot more protein and I am feeling a lot better. I have MASSIVELY increased my protein intake and started eating tons more meat and eggs and animal products in the last week or two.
Protein + tons of sugars (from fruit/honey/etc.) is a wonderful combo apparently.
No.20377
>>20374You weren't eating enough to recover from your martial arts practice. Really I think all of your problems may be due to chronic overtraining. Lots of sugar (or carbs in general) and protein is the general guideline for anyone that wants to gain size and strength.
No.20379
>>20372I fully agree with your perception on how fruit is the perfect food for human consumption.
Please inform me if this isn't correct but if one were to eat a diet which contained processed sugars as well as other contributing factors of candida over a period of time to the point where they were to get candida then the candida, when in absence of the regular sugars it is used to, will still continue to feed off of other sugars such as honey and fruit. If you were born eating only healthy - natural sugars up until this day it wouldn't be an issue however when you factor in the point that most people haven't been so lucky in the modern day there is a possibility of an individual having candida which in turn would be fed by so many natural sugars in a fight to survive?
I'm no nutritionist and actually any information on the subject would be great.
No.20382
>>20379Ctrl + F "Blake K" in this thread, check out the shit I've shared earlier this thread. It's actually kind of funny you say this because there is literally tons of info about this in the first few posts. Download the book in the OP and read it. Robert Morse is the fucking man.
A water fast is probably the best thing to do to cure candida. I'm no expert on this shit, all I know is that the effects of fruitarianism are real.
No.20384
>>20377I have very severe insomnia that I hopefully am fixing now… if I can become the sleep master like I want to, that will heal my skin and many other problems.
I have many times in the past lost muscle strength due to overexertion and not being able to repair it and all. My body is usually constantly sore and I also am completely unphased by pain and easily push my body even if I've literally broken some bones (for example, I have broken my toes many times, and just continued on without even stopping) or if I'm bleeding or in immense pain in my stomach and near to vomiting and whatever else. I am very capable of forcing my body to go until complete physical failure.
I am eating way more food now than ever before but nowhere near what levakama claims to consume.
No.20385
>>20379If you've got candidate then just fast bro. Fasting will fix that stuff. If you can't fast, then gain weight until you can do it, and then fast… and then when you're done fasting eat healthy from then on.
No.20386
>>20382I put that fruit book in the Health section of the /fringe/ library btw.
Any comments on this: (
>>20360 ) ?
Would doing that to my fruits remove the pesticides and stuff without removing anything good from them?
No.20387
>>20382Thanks for the link will add it to the reading list. Have you guys looked into urine therapy? Supposedly since urine is created from the blood it contains life-force and helps purge the system if taken during a fast. They recommend you start it 1 week or 2 weeks after starting a water fast when your body has already cleared a lot of the bad stuff from the urine.
No.20388
>>20386It'll remove some beneficial bacteria, but that's no big deal since bacteria is everywhere. I would also add the juice of some citrus fruit to that, the more acidic the better (i.e. lemons or limes, just squeeze like half a lemon in with the water). There are fruit/vegetable washes you can also buy, but they're mostly a ripoff since it's just citrus juice.
No.20389
>>20387I'm watching that video that was posted above and it's very enlightening. Thanks to whoever posted it, it was actually great synchronicity for me since it answered pretty much every question I've had for the past couple of months.
I now believe that the most accessible and effective ways to heal oneself are, ranked in effectiveness:
1. Urine Therapy
1a. Distilled Water Fasting
3. Organic Fruit Juice Fasting
4. Organic Fruit Fasting (i.e. eat the whole fruit)
As it says in the video, they all have one thing in common:
distilled water. The fruit fasting is slightly inferior due to the energy your body must expend to digest it.
No.20390
>>20387Dude, urine only contains significant life-force if you intentionally engage in practises that expel your life-force through your urine… PROTIP: You don't want to do that.
I've looked into urine therapy. It's stupid. Don't do it. If you are going to do it, consume a ton of extremely micronutrient rich fruits and vegetables and herbs beforehand and honey and good water, and then I guess drink your urine for a few days.
It would be better however to program your body to expel toxins through your urine and sweat and so on and not to consume that again then… there was one guy who programmed his body to expel toxins into his saliva but if he ever swallowed his saliva he'd get sick, so bad idea kek.
No.20391
>>20388So is it actually worthwhile to do and how would I do it and what kind of vessel would even hold the fruits/vegetables to be washed first and how long would they be left in there and what sort of water is needed for this? Will regular tap water do? Also would my activated carbon idea be good or just an unnecessary expense (activated carbon is really expensive)?
No.20392
>>20389William Walker Atkinson says that distilled water is dead water in his book:
http://www.yogebooks.com/english/atkinson/1909practicalwatercure.pdfMaybe you should read it, it's a short book, I was reading it last night.
No.20393
>>20389I think any fasting anyone does should start off with say 1-3 days of fasting on fruits and then fruit juices before transitioning to water fasting anyways.
No.20394
>>20392That's interesting. Weber says that distilled water is water empty, and so moves as a fast vibration.
What is Atkinson's interpretation of "dead?"
No.20395
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>>20390I use filtered water. I have a Berkey water filter that uses activated carbon, as far as I know. It also has a second filter component that I got that filters out fluoride, arscenic and other heavy metals. I would only use filtered water since chlorine and all the other terrible shit that's in tap water will probably leave a residue on the fruit. Pesticides are even in tap water due to people rinsing fruit off in their sinks.
>>20392Distilled water not from nature has to be run through a carbon filter first to have the amazing effects that are attributed to it. Natural distilled water is very much alive, though. Rainwater activates the inorganic minerals in soil, for example. I think this is why many people advise against it. It's one big misconception. The video posted above clears up a lot of this. You really should watch it in its entirety. I'll embed it here.
No.20397
Smiley.. do you eat pork?
No.20398
>>20394erm, just reached the end of the video… Weber has said himself that water is dead…
No.20399
>>20397Yes. It keeps the jews and muslims away.
>chlorineDoesn't the human body itself produce and use chlorine within itself? Just like how it produces sodium bicarbonate?
The water here btw, whenever it evaporates, always leaves behind a deposit of white minerals / salts / whatever.
>Pesticides are even in tap water due to people rinsing fruit off in their sinks.Doesn't that shit all get filtered though when it goes to the water filtration plant?
>Distilled water not from nature has to be run through a carbon filter first to have the amazing effects that are attributed to it.Doesn't make sense to me. Distilled water is extremely pure water, it's pretty much just H20, there is nothing in it to be filtered out. So why run it through a carbon filter?
>You really should watch it in its entirety. I'll embed it here.I can't hear it or anything else right now also I doubt there's anything to watch in this vid, isn't it a vid to listen to?
No.20400
Smiley, is there a television playing in the background of your Halos Mandarin Oranges video?
No.20401
I wish I had a filter on the shower head. Taking a shower always fucks my body up so I try to make showers as short as possible and I now mostly just wash my face and shoulders with soap and water in the sink and avoid taking showers except twice a week (after fighting).
No.20402
>>20400Yes, there is. The bluepills have multiple televisions around the house which they watch. I HATE television and radios immensely.
No.20403
>>20399Regarding food, we will only recommend abstaining
from consuming dense meats "of a low vibration" such as
pork
- JOHN BAINES THE STELLAR MAN
Moses, possessor of
certain Hermetic secrets, forbade his followers to eat pork, as
this animal has a particularly dense and low vibratory state
which would therefore produce a deterioration in intellec-
tual capacity
- JOHN BAINES THE STELLAR MAN
No.20404
>>20398That's interesting because he said that distilled literally means "unstill", thus alive around 30-35 mins in. Water obviously isn't a living organism. I haven't reached that part yet.
>>20399Yeah you don't need to watch it, it's a radio interview that was also recorded on video.
Chlorine kills bacteria, and we need bacteria to survive. There's natural fluoride in lots of fruits and vegetables and it is not harmful to you, but fluoride in water is obviously poison (literally a toxic waste product from commercial aluminum production). You can see the concentrations of everything in your tap water on your water companies website, they are required to put it on there by law (if its not there check your cities website). They don't really filter the municipal water much, they just purify it so no one gets bacterial and viral infections. If your water is fluoridated then even carbon filters don't remove that, unfortunately.
As far as the carbon filter thing for distilled water: it's not to filter the water, but to rearrange the molecular structure.
>>20402>tfw loud television constantly on inhibiting me from reading occult books before everyone else goes to sleep No.20406
Just ate this like 2 hours ago btw. My I added some spaghetti from my sister and 2 eggs to what my dad made which was this chicken + sourdough rye bread + vegetables thing.
No.20408
>>20401What about your balls?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPwhMoQBg_8Checking and washing your balls is important!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK04VyrcXjIPLS FRINGE POSTERS!!!!!!!! UR BALLZ R IMPORT! DUNT 4GET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!1
No.20501
>be me
>be laying on floor last night
>can't fucking sleep at all
>muscles sore and hurt
>decide to get muh protein out
>put a spoonful of it in water
>drink it all
>rub the rest on my face
>inhale protein as well
>also have a bowl of oatmeal + marmalade
>go back to bed
>actually fucking sleep
>body produces lot of heat
>wake up earlier by a few hours than usual, right when sun is rising
>sleep another 2 hours, wake up still an hour earlier than last time
>tfw protein fixes my sleep problems
Now I must eat as much food as I possibly can today.
No.20527
>>20501Nice to hear that, bro. I've begun to eat a lot to get them loosh for a purpose I need to come up with.
It's going to be great; yet, what should I do. . .
No.20528
>>20404The television doesn't bother me, it's the risk of being interrupted. I cannot really practice without someone pausing whatever I am doing during the daylight, so I need to practice during the early and late hours.
It will be good soon, though. . . peace and solitude at last!
No.20543
>>20527The best is always to do your will.
…which in my case usually means a series of basic magickal practises followed by entity interaction if I have enough energy for it.
>tfw it's 1:05 PM and I have consumed already like 5x more food than my dadI need tips on mental methods to assimilate food faster, more thoroughly, etc. so I can eat more just an hour later and attain tons more loosh.
Just had Japanese green tea with cherry blossoms and whatever in it btw, this will massively enhance any meditational efforts I may undergo near the end of the day if and when I have enough loosh.
No.20546
>>20543I'll probably try to astral project tonight.
What constitutes as "a series of basic magickal practices" for you?
No.20547
>>20546I'll talk about if you don't mind me wearing a mask to cover all the blood and so on.
No.20558
>>20547ah shit, might have to bug out in a bit anyways, sad.
No.21046
>>18668Then why is added fructose blamed for type 2 diabetes? Why is The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition coming out saying it acts differently in humans?
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/86/4/895.fullhttp://www.healthline.com/health-news/evidence-shows-some-sugars-are-worse-than-others-012915 No.21132
No.21137
No.21190
>>21132I like Mark's Daily Apple, he's right about the bad oils (canola, soybean) but you don't have to follow every little he mentions like the idea that fats are "preferred."
Free The Animal (the author is a pal of sorts with Mark) has some great info about good grains and oils and the like.
Some of Mark's stuff is for fatties trying to lose weight, not skinnyfags like us trying to gain lean muscle mass.
a case against keto: truth is even "meat only" races like the inuit get carbs from the animals they slayed. fresh kills still have carbohydrates in the form of glycogen in the cells which is why they chomped on the skin and ate as much as possible when they killed a whale or seal. when the animal has been dead for a while, those cells have used up their last stores of the energy, no more carbs.
If you are skinnyfag, balance your macros with protein, eat slow carbs and good fats, eat clean and train hard brah. seems like you already do much of that. no keto or intermittent fasting programs tho, they only steal your gainz.
I notice training hard makes me more hungry by the way, saw you were having trouble throwing down 3000 calories and I have the same problem. I try to spread this out over a day and challenge myself with heavy duty strength exercise.
>>21137edible mushrooms are fucking fantastic. the asian varieties like shitake contain immune boosting, anti-cancer and anti-aging compounds. common edible mushrooms also contain vitamin D.
did not know that leaving them in the sun could help them synthesize vitamin D. I'm going to try that.
No.21195
So, I tried cooking chickpeas the for the first time. They're great for fiber, and are apparently a good source of vegetable protein (
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=58 ). Although I used the canned variety, it turned out very well.
No.21196
How often do you take a shit per day now Smiley?
No.21204
>>21132Freemason from earlier here… I've followed mark's work for a while.
The New Thought poster here is correct.
>>21190You should avoid polyunsaturated fats (canola oil, soybean, corn, vegetable, etc). Here's a good article on the topic.
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturated-oils.shtmlInstead of polyunsaturated fats use saturated fats like coconut oil and beef tallow. Olive oil and macadamia oil are fine in moderation. Apart from that, I'd avoid pretty much every other oil. Most oils are polyunsaturated. This means try not to eat at restaurants or fast food at all because they use polyunsaturated oils, they're cheaper. You have to avoid many processed foods like store-bought potato chips and most condiments as they're usually cooked in a PUFA oil or contain PUFA oils as an ingredient. Go look at your tomato sauce, mayonnaise and other sauces in your fridge/cupboard. Chances are you'll find vegetable, canola, corn or some other PUFA oil in the ingredients list.
Polyunsatured fat is of course, not only in oils but natural foods like nuts and fish. This is not nearly as much as a problem. If you like nuts and fatty fish, feel free to continue eating them just don't go overboard and eat tons everyday. Avoid the highest PUFA nuts as listed here
http://paleoleap.com/are-nuts-and-seeds-healthy/On the topic of ketosis, it's not an optimal state for the human body to be in as evidenced by no tribe in history ever being in it, including the inuit. Fat isn't the perfect energy source like keto idiots make it out to be.
What do I suggest as a diet? A diet based on lots of milk, fruit, eggs, occasional liver, shellfish and optional gelatinous meat. 2L milk and 1L orange juice covers a lot of needs. If these foods work for you, you can make them the basis of your diet.
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>>21196roughly 200. mainly on this board.
No.21363
tweak
No.21738
Anyone know a healthy vegan way of gaining weight. my body just burns thru my food so fast, i barely have energy sometimes.
No.21739
>>21738There's a chaos magick ritual called reverse transubstantiation where you turn a steak into the flesh and blood of a vegetable.
EKE SIRLOIN
EKE RUMP
BE VEGETABLES
UNTIL I TAKE A DUMP
No.21741
>>21739lol, but even when i was eating meat i burn thru that like it was nothing too.
No.21742
>>21738>>21741I know this feel bro. I am eating as much as I can, all the time. So far what has helped me is eating everything I normally do + eating an entire bowl of seeds or nuts in-between meals. That adds a lot of baseline energy. I really want to gain lots of weight though and start fasting, I also received instructions in the astral (fuck, I was out there a VERY LONG TIME today) to heal stuff that goes like this:
>1. Focus on your body parts.>2. Shift around the focus some and back to the body part you want to heal and also to the body parts connected to it that need to support the health of that part.>3. When you achieve an awareness entirely of just the specific parts you want, start some serious emotional alchemy, and feel intense love.>4. Send the love to those body parts and know that they are healed.>5. Keep it up for as long as you can, enjoy being healed.I could have been in the astral so much longer if I avoided this one part of my house btw. For some reason this particular part of my house keeps destroying my connection to the astral if I enter it and I don't know why. I can only leave my house through the backdoor in the astral not the front door or I'll lose connection.
No.21744
One more thing of note, I received from the astral instructions on how to complete the great work, which has 4 phases of preparation and a final phase of creation and use. The philosopher's stone can accelerate the development of someone in a very small quantity but destroys anyone elementally unbalanced if used as a higher dose because any imbalances become far more pronounced and extreme when you have all that etheric energy infused into you.
Also I have succeeded in reading a fuckload of my books right now and seem to proceeding at a rapid pace.
No.21758
>>21204Any particular kind of milk? 2L every day? What about vegetables?
No.21853
>>21742>>21744>>21744thanks sir much appreciated, will try it out :).
No.21962
>>21758Skim/light milk. Root and fruit-vegetables are better than just vegetables. Cook all vegetables apart from a few like carrots. Potatoes are good if paired with a fat like beef tallow, butter or coconut oil.
No.21979
>>21758>>21962Paleo-bro here. Just started drinking whole goat's milk. Feels like a whole new level.
I am become goat
No.21984
I have a special request.
Tell me what is a diet that focuses all of its energy and everything purely on the brain.
I have some very heavy mental work that at present my diet is not adequate at supporting.
I don't need energy for my muscles and other parts of my body, I need it ALL for the brain.
I intend to actually read 2013serieslessons, aka the 2,500 page long book.
What can I do to maintain my brain working at full force and optimal efficiency in order to read and absorb all this material?
No.21996
Guys, I'm about 300lbs. According to Smiley, I can harness my fat and use it for magic. Would someone care to elaborate?
No.22001
>>21996Oh god I am so jealous.
Start doing regular fire meditation and all the other basic meditations.
Want me to do a video about this? Like right now (or well, after I'm done making my soup?)
Also, tell me what your diet is like and what your height is and how much you sleep, I want to know how to get to 300lbs like you.
No.22008
Obese anon you got to tell me everything man, you've got so much loosh on you, you could become a great wizard in a short while.
I already finished my soup now (with bacon wrapped sausages in it too).
You're taking too long to respond, I'm just going to go in my room, and meditate and check in later to see how you've responded.
No.22009
With all that fat you're carrying around you could give birth to a healthy tulpa, lel.
No.22010
>>21984Take a lot of walnuts.
No.22011
>>22008If fat people are magical? What does that make america?
No.22012
>>22011A really good farm.
No.22013
MAJICK!
No.22023
>>22009a huge secret project to replace Santa
No.22028
>>22001I'd like to see a video, yeah, that'd be great. I think it's worth noting that I'm still incredibly new to all of this (reading through the arcane teaching right now) and currently, void meditation is the only exercise I perform.
>My dietAccording to what I've read on almost all the dietary advice I've read thus far, it's been my overconsumption of bread that's driven me to this weight. I eat my mother's cooking and everything she cooks is a stew (she's sudanese) which I've always eaten with bread. I imagine that if I'd eaten it with rice like every other person does in the "motherland" that I probably wouldn't be at this weight. I've also had a habit of boredom-eating (snacking on biscuits, fast food, making peanut-butter sandwiches, etc.) for a while now.
Even though everyone here talks about wanting to build weight, I've never seen anyone touch junk food–rather–you all seem to condemn it. Since I've built my weight up primarily with bread, is it possible that I've merely built up "bad" loosh? The loosh equivalent of diesel in the sense that it's horribly inefficient?
>>22009>>22023Are you bullying me?!
No.22054
>>21962So 2L of it per day? What about non-homogenized? All organic?
>>21979dat pricetag tho :-/
No.22055
>>22028Is it white bread or black bread that you eat?
You've got to unlock the potential in your fat. Maybe with a change of diet you can start eating tons of food while also burning the fat on you for tons of energy.
Then you can use it for magick of all sorts.
I wonder if you stored up fat because of your body trying to save you from toxins from stress, negative emotions; and pesticides, preservatives, and other crap in your diet and so on.
If you do fire meditation, that is going to burn mad energy. I don't even need to do any physical exercise at all, meditation seriously raises my body temperature, and causes most of my energy to be expended. I try to eat several thousand calories today and still don't have energy for actual exercise really.
No.22060
>>22044Welp. Looks like I've been found out.
Hey weeb!
>>22055I've switched between white and brown over the years. I initially switched because I was told that brown was healthier and then assumed that it should therefore assist with weight loss (surprise, it didn't).
I want to change my diet. I want to experiment with keto and high-carb vegan diets but I'm broke so for now, I'll be sticking to sub-2kcal diets.
>I wonder if you stored up fat because of your body trying to save you from stress, negative emotions…Hmm. I've always dealt with severe stress through daydreaming so I don't know.
I'll look into fire meditation for now.
No.22061
>>22060it's odd that you say you want to experiment with a high-carb vegan diet but don't have the money when that is the cheapest way to eat
get a big bag of rice and the means to cook it
now get some vegetables and fruit
cheapest way to eat in most parts of the world
No.22062
>>22060We moved (again) to #wizshrine in OFTC by the way, so if you have the (rare) free time to drop by and don't find us in the previous spot, you know what happened.
No.22063
>>22060Just overclock your mind on intense meditation, you'll burn all your energy, I've completely run out of food and was supposed to get more food today but haven't so I'm really fucking pissed and also for some reason my mind is splitting and I'm able to think two dialogues at once.
I feel absolutely awful today and my skin is fucking peeling off right now and bleeding, I don't know what's going on, but it's like my god damned face has been irradiated horrendously.
I guess I'll just wear a mask for the purpose of the video but it's going to be awkward.
No.22238
>>22061Yes, this is correct. My problem is more to do with my current financial situation but once that's resolved, I'll be sure to try the /fringe/-approved vegan diets.
>>22062Thanks.
>>22063>just overclock your mind on intense meditationIs that what fire meditation does?
No.22248
>>22238>Is that what fire meditation does?It's one way but any really intense fucking meditation can also do the same where you go deep in the astral and see and experience really complex thoughtforms.
No.22267
>>22238or you could solve your current financial situation with proper diet
my breakfast, then lunch and 2 snacks at work today cost me about 3-4 $
dinner will cost me about 3 $
you can cut those costs in half or less if you remove the fruit
>feels good to eat on third world budget while making first world bux$$$$$$ No.22277
As Above, So Below
No.22369
>>18066I manage to do well on 80% meat 10% fruits and 10% veggies
I am chubby, but I am physically strong, and mentally even stronger.
I am not saying this is gonna work for everyone, this is just me. and even tho many will give you really excellent diets, you should also try combining and making your own, whatever fits you more.
No.22375
Somewhat post what montalk said about diets.
No.22410
I have a story to tell. Back on Monday, I was feeling like crap. I think I'm pre-diabetic (type II). It's from a life of eating junk food. I'm not that much overweight, I'm 185lbs at 5'11", but not really muscular, just have a bit of a gut.
So I quit all junk food, sugar and bread, and cut back on the meat. I fasted during the day, and and have been eating around 1200 calories a day split between a meal in the evening, and a piece of fruit in the morning. I've only been drinking water and coffee with no cream/milk. My meals have been salads, steamed vegetables, and lean free-range chicken or salmon. On Thursday, I fasted completely and didn't eat at all.
Yesterday, I was feeling a lot better health wise than I did at the start of the week.
And then it happened when I went to sleep on Friday night. I had the most intense, vivid dream I've ever had. It was like super high fidelity, high resolution. It was like more real than real life.
By starting on this diet, did I begin to cleanse my pineal gland?
I thought you guys were just LARPing about this stuff, but now I'm not so sure.
No.22411
>>22410Also, for my salads, I made my own salad dressing, one part virgin olive oil + 2 parts balsamic vinegar + some chopped fresh parsley.
No.22469
>>22410>>22411>I thought you guys were just LARPing about this stuff, but now I'm not so sure.It's completely real and this is only the beginning. You can take this way further. Now you should understand why the astral is more real than this world. Read up and start thoughtforming, psychomancy, etc. and you can go way further and graduate to 4D.
No.22675
>>18275The diet Ray Peat recommends is nothing like Atkins. It is a high sugar (mostly in the form of fruit), low starch diet. Sugar and especially fructose have been unfairly demonized by the Atkins people.
It is also relatively high in protein, but Peat encourages getting protein from other sources than muscle meats, such as milk and gelatin, and occasionally some liver or oysters. These have less of certain amino acids, the restriction of which may extend your life. Milk also happens to be considered an extremely sacred food in Ayurveda, and also praised in the Bible and the Koran.
"Milk is for baby cows" is a good example of the 'appeal to nature' fallacy. Most of the claims that vegans and paleo people make about milk, such as that it 'leaches calcium from the bones' do not withstand scrutiny. Milk is actually an excellent source of calcium. It also inhibits the absorption of iron, which is something we get too much of. Peat also recommends strictly avoiding unsaturated fats (even some meats like chicken and pork are a significant source of unsaturated fat). Coconut oil is preferable.
More:
http://www.raypeat.comhttp://www.raypeatforum.comhttp://www.peatarian.comhttp://www.dannyroddy.comhttp://www.organizingthepanic.comhttp://co2factor.blogspot.co.ukhttps://pranarupa.wordpress.comhttp://www.arkofwellness.com No.22719
>>18104>urineDigging through this thread. Someone made a good point. URINE FAST TO GAIN SAMADHI.
Biblical accounts of some guy who lived hundreds of years ate only one meal a day.
Stomach digestion juices peak at efficiency during noontime. It is recommended to eat the largest meal then and another at sunset. This is in alignment with intermittent fasting.
There's probably more to talk about but I've already mastered metafoods and tonic herbalism to a degree from listening to various health gurus online.
No.22720
>>22719Or should I saw raw food gurus. Humans are frugivores, deal with it.
No.22723
>>22675The best argument against milk I have heard is from a biologist who explained it quite well.
Milk as it is the first food setup with all the necessary enzymes for a baby animal to fully utilize all the nutriments and establish good gut flora for they later food.
Cows are herbivores with four stomachs.
We are omnivores with one.
Every time you drink cows milk your gut has to adjust too it to absorb any nutrition (which it does poorly) then it has to fight to adjust to your more natural food sources.
Its not as if cows milk doesn't have great nutritional content but we cannot access it because we aren't cows and the enzymes for integrating the milk are not compatible.
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