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I think schizophrenia is the next step of human evolution. I once asked a schizo if she had ever met another and she told me that they both see and hear the same things while they're in each others presence. The whole idea of shared "delusions" leaves me to believe that they're brains are tuned to receive signals that most people can't get.

My wife is schizophrenic. She said for most of her life, she heard negative voices in her head, telling her negative things about herself and the people around her. It filled her with despair. As she got older, it progressed from just voices to seeing figures in corners, until she finally sought help. She is medicated now and much much happier.

Interpret that as you will, just one person's story.

>>2056
Have you read these?

Schizophrenia is not real; made up disease to stop the awakening

https://freedomboard.kirara.ca/fringe/res/1933.html

Schizophrenics are the Third Eye Awakened Wizard Master Race

https://freedomboard.kirara.ca/fringe/res/4031.html

+ that anti-psychiatry link list?

>>2056
>Are schizophrenics who hear voices really mediums for astral beings /fringe/?

Yes. They are receiving the thoughts of:

1. Random astral beings whose attention they've caught.
2. Sentient thoughtforms they created intentionally or unintentionally.
3. In some cases they are actually receiving the thoughts of other humans or aliens that have made it their business to torment them by sending them all sorts of thoughts.

These 3 possibilities cover all bases.

>Like, something in their brain has accidentally become tuned in with residual spirits dwelling near our plane of consciousness.

mind*, don't say brain, and it's not necessarily an "accident". Also some of these people, quite a lot in fact, are literally the intentionally selected targets of advanced mind control by black ops type groups and aliens and so on. Some were selected before they were even born.

>You get the full gamut of personalities on the level above ours, from cool people to malevolent assholes looking to troll people. For all Tumblr snowflakes' talk of "headmates" or whatever there might be a grain of truth behind their experiences. Not every schizophrenic voice is bad, after all. I think some kind of law of attraction bullshit is at work here… like, if you're already fucked to begin with, you'll attract like-minded nasties. If you're chill and content with your life, you'll tune into friendlier voices.

Yes exactly. That is essentially how it works. Just like with people.

>As for antipsychotic meds, from what I've heard they don't get rid of "hallucinations" as much as neuter them. If there's a non-material mechanism at work here, perhaps antipsychotics simply neutralize the "receiver" system for a while…

Yes indeed that's what they do. It's akin to someone deciding they're going to deafen themselves and destroy their eardrums because someone is annoying them with their voice. Really stupid thing to do. They are damaging the pineal gland.

>I'm not schizophrenic myself so I'm not really qualified to make theories about experiences I haven't had… don't get me wrong I'm certainly not a psychiatrist, but I thought gave a schizophrenia was simply delusion too until I listened to the case of Eleanor Longden, a schizophrenic psychologist who gave a TED Talk last year:
>http://www.ted.com/talks/eleanor_longden_the_voices_in_my_head/transcript?language=en
>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eleanor-longden/voices-in-our-heads-ted-talk_b_3791908.html
>http://blog.ted.com/2013/08/08/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-voice-hearing-but-were-too-afraid-to-ask/

Never even heard of this guy yet. Anyways the only schizos that are delusional are the ones that get tricked into the false materialist mindset and don't realize what they're really dealing with.

>Maybe it's the /fringe/ in me but do you think schizophrenics are more than just crazy?

If we take the concept of "schizophrenia" seriously we'd pretty much have to dismiss every shaman, mystic, religious prophet, etc. are a "schizophrenic". Schizophrenia is bullshit, they aren't crazy, some just are having problems dealing with some entities they've attracted into their life and if they had the proper occult knowledge they'd be able to deal with them better than getting themselves locked up in an asylum or drugged or electrocuted and so on.

>>2072
>She said for most of her life, she heard negative voices in her head, telling her negative things about herself and the people around her.

That's kind of like deciding to medicate a child at school because it gets bullied by its peers all the time instead of addressing the real problem.

i'm not diagnosed schizophrenic but i've heard voices and otherwise experienced paranormal presences since i was a very young child. there is simply far too much syncronicity in my experiences for it to just be a creation of a fucked up brain. for example, seeing ghosts in my childhood home which i didn't find out until later matched up perfectly with the house's original residents. precognition is far from a rare experience for me, although i wish i was able to do it on command instead of just in random flashes. i definitely think that psychosis is generally a faulty way of describing magic/psychic ability/a connection to the paranormal.

I consider schizophrenics to be those who are indeed on a higher level to at least some extent, but do not have the knowledge or the strength to deal with what they have been dealt with.

I was diagnosed with mild schizophrenia when I was heavily smoking marijuana. I would mainly hear critical voices and conversations that weren't actually taking place. Not hearing in the auditory sense, but in the sense that you feel as though foreign thoughts are in your mind. Ended up taking risperidone for several months before I decided to flush it down the toilet, and I also stopped smoking weed. Haven't experienced anything remotely close to schizophrenic symptoms since. Wierd stuff, man.

>>2160
I consider them "accidentals" as in this thread: https://freedomboard.kirara.ca/fringe/res/1934.html

I just saw a commercial for some university where one student mentioned what she does and said "targets and repairs the genes that cause schizophrenia" and I was horrified. I'm basically schizophrenic as fuck but I fucking love it and don't want this stripped away from me.

>>2072
shill faggot detected

>Are schizophrenics who hear voices really mediums for astral beings
No.

>>2488
Then what are they a medium for faggot?

>>2488
Thanks for explaining your >opinion.

>>2374
>I'm basically schizophrenic as fuck but I fucking love it and don't want this stripped away from me.
That's bullshit. Straight up bullshit. Have you ever even seen a schizophrenic in your life?

>>2536
>That's bullshit. Straight up bullshit. Have you ever even seen a schizophrenic in your life?

Yes my wife is formally schizophrenic and I myself haven't gone to doctors but everyone is convinced I'm schizo already and I also have lots of friends that are officially diagnosed as schizophrenic.

Yours is a common argument I've already debunked in the past. You just go and look at the malfunctioning schizos and say "this means it's definitely a disease" when it's not.

Schizophrenia is higher consciousness.

Go read these two threads: ( >>2109 )

What do you think of this?

<Audio footage from a radio show of the late '80s featuring the host humorously reading a transcript of a NY lawyer known as Francis E. Dec.
>After 1961 he gets diagnosed w/ Paranoid Schizophrenia
>Speaks of people turning useless after age 70
>Dies 15 days after turning 70

I recommend watching the video twice.

There's lot of stuff in his "ramblings" that can be interpreted, as in:
>translucent gaseous envelope
Atmosphere?
>gangster computer god
transhumanism?
>Frankenstein controlled people
MKUltra?

>Sauce:
http://www.bentoandstarchky.com/dec/timeline.htm

Neophyte here, I always thought people with Schizophrenia just had too much dopamine…do you believe that hormone is connected to supernatural beings?

>>4686
The hormone ain't connected to shit but certain chemical imbalances can lead to conditions that, when paired with the right mind, may lead to contact with "supernatural" (hyperdimensional) beings.

>>4689
So people with the right chemical imbalances and the right mind? Stopping dopamine from doing what it does stops the hallucinations, that's why they prescribe that drug. Also one I know mostly sees people she knows and they don't say real words. I don't know perhaps a supernatural being is unable to communicate with her because she isn't mentally ready? Her mother on the other hand has hallucinations about religious stuff because she is. It sound more mentally based to me, but that's why I'm here to learn
>>4689

>>2111
What if the medication is a bully-repellent?
And what is the real problem?

>>2185
Wow. What you have described has been a lot like my experiences with smoking cannabis. and using LSD. Sometimes when I'm just sober I will experience those negative voices but not as frequently or perhaps they aren't as loud. Also throw in a little of what this post said >>2145

>>4461
That was an interesting tirade. It certainly appeared to have an underlying message and some of seemed to be especially relevant to our time but then again maybe we are looking for meaning where there is none.

I didn't how that there a lot of people also dealing with this.

I started hearing foreign thoughts some while ago, encouraging me to change myself.

At some point I felt intimidated though and tried to get rid of them. I gave me an immense sense of guilt because they were nice voices overall. I just felt too pressured and I must admit i'm a fucking pussy in real life.

So in the past year I went on a negative course, unable to grab onto safe havens I was able to grab onto before. even drinking water at some point made me guilty and I was laying in bed, feeling miserable. I felt petrified and indicisive as fuck and I was thinking a few hours trying to make myself believe I should drink water but Ididn't deserve it.

I was so fucking thirsty and I was just making myself miserable.

At some point the actual audible conversations faded and I started dreaming more, mostly nightmares. Dreams that seemed rediculous but at the same time I knew they were true because the things they said in my dreams were so accurate but hard to accept, very confronting.

Now I am in the position that I am paranoid and constantly thinking about suicide. I do not believe I have the ability to make something out of my life and my thoughts are dismantling me from the inside, taking away all the reasons to live.

I am considering to just go and do mushrooms again and break through this fucking wall of negativity, but shyness is still in my nature and whenever I go trippin with mushroom I feel better but also hear and receive all sorts of tasks and shit and I start to feel guilty again.

anyone have more experiences? I am stuck…

>>5204
Not necessarily. An unobserved event has no meaning.

>>5204

Nothing is given an inherent (or rather, a divine) purpose or a point. One has to take from them the various experiences and information and construct one's own points and purposes.

Or at least, that is the way this wizard sees it.

>>5204

Nothing is given an inherent (or rather, a divine) purpose or a point. One has to take from them the various experiences and information and construct one's own points and purposes.

Or at least, that is the way this wizard sees it.

>>5204

Nothing is given an inherent (or rather, a divine) purpose or a point. One has to take from them the various experiences and information and construct one's own points and purposes.

Or at least, that is the way this wizard sees it.

>>4461
>Like we've discussed here, theres no such thing as schizophrenia, but spiritual disbalance.

It's just a sort of higher consciousness that people use wrong and then the mundanes solution is to fuck up that person's brain. It's like if everyone lived in a world where everybody was deaf but once in awhile someone could hear… and some of the people who suddenly are able to hear stuff in their environment end up hearing things that disturb or unsettle them and there lack of knowledge about this vector of experience makes them decide the best course of action is to damage there ears and not be able to hear at all.

Schizos are experiencing a sort of "dreaming while awake" and they could in fact learn to manage it and to make it all work in there advantage but people who've been raised and conditioned to fear the unknown immediately attract to themselves entities that will torment them.

Also there's a big category of "schizophrenics" who are actually the target of some mind control, black magick, or what have you and being harassed. The solution is still not to deem them mentally ill and drug them, that's just really stupid.

>SCHIZOPHRENIA
>A Nonexistent Disease
>by Lawrence Stevens, J.D.

The word "schizophrenia" has a scientific sound that seems to give it inherent credibility and a charisma that seems to dazzle people. In his book Molecules of the Mind - The Brave New Science of Molecular Psychology, University of Maryland journalism professor Jon Franklin calls schizophrenia and depression "the two classic forms of mental illness" (Dell Publishing Co., 1987, p. 119). According to the cover article in the July 6, 1992 Time magazine, schizophrenia is the "most devilish of mental illnesses" (p. 53). This Time magazine article says "fully a quarter of the nation's hospital beds are occupied by schizophrenia patients" (p. 55). Books and articles like these and the facts to which they refer (such as a quarter of hospital beds being occupied by so-called schizophrenics) delude most people into believing there really is a disease called schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is one of the great myths of our time.
In his book Schizophrenia - The Sacred Symbol of Psychiatry, psychiatry professor Thomas S. Szasz, M.D., says "There is, in short, no such thing as schizophrenia" (Syracuse University Press, 1988, p. 191). In the Epilogue of their book Schizophrenia - Medical Diagnosis or Moral Verdict?, Theodore R. Sarbin, Ph.D., a psychology professor at the University of California at Santa Cruz who spent three years working in mental hospitals, and James C. Mancuso, Ph.D., a psychology professor at the State University of New York at Albany, say: "We have come to the end of our journey. Among other things, we have tried to establish that the schizophrenia model of unwanted conduct lacks credibility. The analysis directs us ineluctably to the conclusion that schizophrenia is a myth" (Pergamon Press, 1980, p. 221). In his book Against Therapy, published in 1988, Jeffrey Masson, Ph.D., a psychoanalyst, says "There is a heightened awareness of the dangers inherent in labeling somebody with a disease category like schizophrenia, and many people are beginning to realize that there is no such entity" (Atheneum, p. 2). Rather than being a bona-fide disease, so-called schizophrenia is a nonspecific category which includes almost everything a human being can do, think, or feel that is greatly disliked by other people or by the so-called schizophrenics themselves. There are few so-called mental illnesses that have not at one time or another been called schizophrenia. Because schizophrenia is a term that covers just about everything a person can think or do which people greatly dislike, it is hard to define objectively. Typically, definitions of schizophrenia are vague or inconsistent with each other. For example, when I asked a physician who was the Assistant Superintendent of a state mental hospital to define the term schizophrenia for me, he with all seriousness replied "split personality - that's the most popular definition." In contrast, a pamphlet published by the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill titled "What Is Schizophrenia?" says "Schizophrenia is not a split personality". In her book Schiz-o-phre-nia: Straight Talk for Family and Friends, published in 1985, Maryellen Walsh says "Schizophrenia is one of the most misunderstood diseases on the planet. Most people think that it means having a split personality. Most people are wrong. Schizophrenia is not a splitting of the personality into multiple parts" (Warner Books, p. 41). The American Psychiatric Association's (APA's) Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (Second Edition), also known as DSM-II, published in 1968, defined schizophrenia as "characteristic disturbances of thinking, mood, or behavior" (p. 33). A difficulty with such a definition is it is so broad just about anything people dislike or consider abnormal, i.e., any so-called mental illness, can fit within it. In the Foreword to DSM-II, Ernest M. Gruenberg, M.D., D.P.H., Chairman of the American Psychiatric Association's Committee on Nomenclature, said: "Consider, for example, the mental disorder labeled in the Manual as 'schizophrenia,' … Even if it had tried, the Committee could not establish agreement about what this disorder is" (p. ix). The third edition of the APA's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, published in 1980, commonly called DSM-III, was also quite candid about the vagueness of the term. It said: "The limits of the concept of Schizophrenia are unclear" (p. 181). The revision published in 1987, DSM-III-R, contains a similar statement: "It should be noted that no single feature is invariably present or seen only in Schizophrenia" (p. 188). DSM-III-R also says this about a related diagnosis, Schizoaffective Disorder: "The term Schizoaffective Disorder has been used in many different ways since it was first introduced as a subtype of Schizophrenia, and represents one of the most confusing and controversial concepts in psychiatric nosology" (p. 208).

>>5415
Particularly noteworthy in today's prevailing intellectual climate in which mental illness is considered to have biological or chemical causes is what DSM-III-R, says about such physical causes of this catch-all concept of schizophrenia: It says a diagnosis of schizophrenia "is made only when it cannot be established that an organic factor initiated and maintained the disturbance" (p. 187). Underscoring this definition of "schizophrenia" as non-biological is the 1987 edition of The Merck Manual of Diagnosis and Therapy, which says a (so-called) diagnosis of schizophrenia is made only when the behavior in question is "not due to organic mental disorder" (p. 1532).

Contrast this with a statement by psychiatrist E. Fuller Torrey, M.D., in his book Surviving Schizophrenia: A Family Manual, published in 1988. He says "Schizophrenia is a brain disease, now definitely known to be such" (Harper & Row, p. 5). Of course, if schizophrenia is a brain disease, then it is organic. However, the official definition of schizophrenia maintained and published by the American Psychiatric Association in its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders for many years specifically excluded organically caused conditions from the definition of schizophrenia. Not until the publication of DSM-IV in 1994 was the exclusion for biologically caused conditions removed from the definition of schizophrenia. In Surviving Schizophrenia, Dr. Torrey acknowledges "the prevailing psychoanalytic and family interaction theories of schizophrenia which were prevalent in American psychiatry" (p. 149) which would seem to account for this.
In the November 10, 1988 issue of Nature, genetic researcher Eric S. Lander of Harvard University and M.I.T. summarized the situation this way: "The late US Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart declared in a celebrated obscenity case that, although he could not rigorously define pornography, 'I know it when I see it'. Psychiatrists are in much the same position concerning the diagnosis of schizophrenia. Some 80 years after the term was coined to describe a devastating condition involving a mental split among the functions of thought, emotion and behaviour, there remains no universally accepted definition of schizophrenia" (p. 105).

>>5416
According to Dr. Torrey in his book Surviving Schizophrenia, so-called schizophrenia includes several widely divergent personality types. Included among them are paranoid schizophrenics, who have "delusions and/or hallucinations" that are either "persecutory" or "grandiose"; hebephrenic schizophrenics, in whom "well-developed delusions are usually absent"; catatonic schizophrenics who tend to be characterized by "posturing, rigidity, stupor, and often mutism" or, in other words, sitting around in a motionless, nonreactive state (in contrast to paranoid schizophrenics who tend to be suspicious and jumpy); and simple schizophrenics, who exhibit a "loss of interest and initiative" like the catatonic schizophrenics (though not as severe) and unlike the paranoid schizophrenics have an "absence of delusions or hallucinations" (p. 77). The 1968 edition of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, DSM-II, indicates a person who is very happy (experiences "pronounced elation") may be defined as schizophrenic for this reason ("Schizophrenia, schizo-affective type, excited") or very unhappy ("Schizophrenia, schizo-affective type, depressed")(p. 35), and the 1987 edition, DSM-III-R, indicates a person can be "diagnosed" as schizophrenic because he displays neither happiness nor sadness ("no signs of affective expression")(p. 189), which Dr. Torrey in his book calls simple schizophrenia ("blunting of emotions")(p. 77). According to psychiatry professor Jonas Robitscher, J.D., M.D., in his book The Powers of Psychiatry, people who cycle back and forth between happiness and sadness, the so-called manic-depressives or suffers of "bipolar mood disorder", may also be called schizophrenic: "Many cases that are diagnosed as schizophrenia in the United States would be diagnosed as manic-depressive illness in England or Western Europe" (Houghton Mifflin, 1980, p. 165.) So the supposed "symptoms" or defining characteristics of "schizophrenia" are broad indeed, defining people as having some kind of schizophrenia because they have delusions or do not, hallucinate or do not, are jumpy or catatonic, are happy, sad, or neither happy nor sad, or cycling back and forth between happiness and sadness. Since no physical causes of "schizophrenia" have been found, as we'll soon see, this "disease" can be defined only in terms of its "symptoms", which as you can see are what might be called ubiquitous. As attorney Bruce Ennis says in his book Prisoners of Psychiatry: "schizophrenia is such an all-inclusive term and covers such a large range of behavior that there are few people who could not, at one time or another, be considered schizophrenic" (Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, Inc., 1972, p. 22). People who are obsessed with certain thoughts or who feel compelled to perform certain behaviors, such as washing their hands repeatedly, are usually considered to be suffering from a separate psychiatric disease called "obsessive-compulsive disorder". However, people with obsessive thoughts or compulsive behaviors have also been called schizophrenic (e.g., by Dr. Torrey in his book Surviving Schizophrenia, pp. 115-116).

In Surviving Schizophrenia, Dr. Torrey quite candidly concedes the impossibility of defining what "schizophrenia" is. He says: "The definitions of most diseases of mankind has been accomplished. … In almost all diseases there is something which can be seen or measured, and this can be used to define the disease and separate it from nondisease states. Not so with schizophrenia! To date we have no single thing which can be measured and from which we can then say: Yes, that is schizophrenia. Because of this, the definition of the disease is a source of great confusion and debate" (p. 73). What puzzles me is how to reconcile this statement of Dr. Torrey's with another he makes in the same book, which I quoted above and which appears more fully as follows: "Schizophrenia is a brain disease, now definitely known to be such. It is a real scientific and biological entity, as clearly as diabetes, multiple sclerosis, and cancer are scientific and biological entities" (p. 5). How can it be known schizophrenia is a brain disease when we do not know what schizophrenia is?

>>5417
The truth is that the label schizophrenia, like the labels pornography or mental illness, indicates disapproval of that to which the label is applied and nothing more. Like "mental illness" or pornography, "schizophrenia" does not exist in the sense that cancer and heart disease exist but exists only in the sense that good and bad exist. As with all other so-called mental illnesses, a diagnosis of "schizophrenia" is a reflection of the speaker's or "diagnostician's" values or ideas about how a person "should" be, often coupled with the false (or at least unproven) assumption that the disapproved thinking, emotions, or behavior results from a biological abnormality. Considering the many ways it has been used, it's clear "schizophrenia" has no particular meaning other than "I dislike it." Because of this, I lose some of my respect for mental health professionals when I hear them use the word schizophrenia in a way that indicates they think it is a real disease. I do this for the same reason I would lose respect for someone's perceptiveness or intellectual integrity after hearing him or her admire the emperor's new clothes. While the layman definition of schizophrenia, internally inconsistent, may make some sense, using the term "schizophrenia" in a way that indicates the speaker thinks it is a real disease is tantamount to admitting he doesn't know what he is talking about.

Many mental health "professionals" and other "scientific" researchers do however persist in believing "schizophrenia" is a real disease. They are like the crowds of people observing the emperor's new clothes, unable or unwilling to see the truth because so many others before them have said it is real. A glance through the articles listed under "Schizophrenia" in Index Medicus, an index of medical periodicals, reveals how widespread the schizophrenia myth has become. And because these "scientists" believe "schizophrenia" is a real disease, they try to find physical causes for it. As psychiatrist William Glasser, M.D., says in his book Positive Addiction, published in 1976: "Schizophrenia sounds so much like a disease that prominent scientists delude themselves into searching for its cure" (Harper & Row, p. 18). This is a silly endeavor, because these supposedly prominent scientists can't define "schizophrenia" and accordingly don't know what they are looking for.

According to three Stanford University psychiatry professors, "two hypotheses have dominated the search for a biological substrate of schizophrenia." They say these two theories are the transmethylation hypothesis of schizophrenia and the dopamine hypothesis of schizophrenia. (Jack D. Barchas, M.D., et al., "Biogenic Amine Hypothesis of Schizophrenia", appearing in Psychopharmacology: From Theory to Practice, Oxford University Press, 1977, p. 100.) The transmethylation hypothesis was based on the idea that "schizophrenia" might be caused by "aberrant formation of methylated amines" similar to the hallucinogenic pleasure drug mescaline in the metabolism of so-called schizophrenics. After reviewing various attempts to verify this theory, they conclude: "More than two decades after the introduction of the transmethylation hypothesis, no conclusions can be drawn about its relevance to or involvement in schizophrenia" (p. 107).

>>5418
Columbia University psychiatry professor Jerrold S. Maxmen, M.D., succinctly describes the second major biological theory of so-called schizophrenia, the dopamine hypothesis, in his book The New Psychiatry, published in 1985: "…many psychiatrists believe that schizophrenia involves excessive activity in the dopamine-receptor system…the schizophrenic's symptoms result partially from receptors being overwhelmed by dopamine" (Mentor, pp. 142 & 154). But in the article by three Stanford University psychiatry professors I referred to above they say "direct confirmation that dopamine is involved in schizophrenia continues to elude investigators" (p. 112). In 1987 in his book Molecules of the Mind Professor Jon Franklin says "The dopamine hypothesis, in short, was wrong" (p. 114).

In that same book, Professor Franklin aptly describes efforts to find other biological causes of so-called schizophrenia: "As always, schizophrenia was the index disease. During the 1940s and 1950s, hundreds of scientists occupied themselves at one time and another with testing samples of schizophrenics' bodily reactions and fluids. They tested skin conductivity, cultured skin cells, analyzed blood, saliva, and sweat, and stared reflectively into test tubes of schizophrenic urine. The result of all this was a continuing series of announcements that this or that difference had been found. One early researcher, for instance, claimed to have isolated a substance from the urine of schizophrenics that made spiders weave cockeyed webs. Another group thought that the blood of schizophrenics contained a faulty metabolite of adrenaline that caused hallucinations. Still another proposed that the disease was caused by a vitamin deficiency. Such developments made great newspaper stories, which generally hinted, or predicted outright, that the enigma of schizophrenia had finally been solved. Unfortunately, in light of close scrutiny none of the discoveries held water" (p. 172).

Other efforts to prove a biological basis for so-called schizophrenia have involved brain-scans of pairs of identical twins when only one is a supposed schizophrenic. They do indeed show the so-called schizophrenic has brain damage his identical twin lacks. The flaw in these studies is the so-called schizophrenic has inevitably been given brain-damaging drugs called neuroleptics as a so-called treatment for his so-called schizophrenia. It is these brain-damaging drugs, not so-called schizophrenia, that have caused the brain damage. Anyone "treated" with these drugs will have such brain damage. Damaging the brains of people eccentric, obnoxious, imaginative, or mentally disabled enough to be called schizophrenic with drugs (erroneously) believed to have antischizophrenic properties is one of the saddest and most indefensible consequences of today's widespread belief in the myth of schizophrenia.

>>5419
In The New Harvard Guide to Psychiatry, published in 1988, Seymour S. Kety, M.D., Professor Emeritus of Neuroscience in Psychiatry, and Steven Matthysse, Ph.D., Associate Professor of Psychobiology, both of Harvard Medical School, say "an impartial reading of the recent literature does not provide the hoped-for clarification of the catecholamine hypotheses, nor does compelling evidence emerge for other biological differences that may characterize the brains of patients with mental disease" (Harvard University Press, p. 148).

Belief in biological causes of so-called mental illness, including schizophrenia, comes not from science but from wishful thinking or from desire to avoid coming to terms with the experiential/environmental causes of people's misbehavior or distress. The repeated failure of efforts to find biological causes of so-called schizophrenia suggests "schizophrenia" belongs only in the category of socially/culturally unacceptable thinking or behavior rather than in the category of biology or "disease" where many people place it.

I used to have a constant daydreaming process very similar to Jung's active imagination process that he details in The Red Book.

There was a consistent mythos, several reoccuring characters like an archetypal mother/father figure.

After a year of so I got in the mental habit of having multiple other entities in my head thinking from their perspective.

This developed into having the thoughts of other people that I know in my head.

I got diagnosed with schizophreniform psychosis, psychiatrists are generally lazy and unwilling to go beyond their diagnosis into the causal affect of active imagination and the mental habit of thinking from other peoples perspectives.

I don't think it really counts as schizophrenia or as genuine psychic ability, but everything I get from other people seems to be generally accurate in that it would have been highly likely that at some point they would have thought or felt what I picked up on.

I have had a few experiences that would suggest genuine psychic occurances but they are not frequent at all.

I just realized something. Sometimes, when I'm doing repetitive tasks or doing something without thinking about it, and I phase out, I go into a sort of trance and I kind of "receive", "feel", "hear" words or sentences in my mind, which by themselves have a meaning, but are not related to the situation at all.

I never understood it, I always think "what the fuck was I thinking" as I become aware of myself again.
I just realized this might be a sort of "channeling" of random thoughts floating around or whatever, while my mind is wandering. I don't know though.

>>5420
>>5415
>>5416
>>5417

Does anyone have anything like this for psychosis? Bastards think I'm psychotic.

>>5556
I'm sort of familiar with this. Often in the early morning as I'm between sleep and wakefulness I start "channeling" these kind of half-dreamt ideas, like fully-developed songs I've never heard before, or little poetic sentences. Last time I "heard" the sentence "The boy called himself a wolf and cast his howl to the moon." It's almost as if I'm thinking up the thoughts, but they come in such a spontaneous, clear manner that it seems like they're being planted into my mind.

>>5556
I do this all the time and very much enjoy doing it and I also try to look at books through the astral. I am absolutely sure I am in fact receiving thoughtforms from all around the multiverse and it's not just fucking random like the fedoras would say it would be… and there's good reasons to realize it's not random. Random shit would not be so structured, meaningful, nor would it contain useful information.

>>5574
>>5575
That's right!
And you just reminded me: I too sometimes, right before I wake up, hear sentences, and I think "Woah, what was that". Or I might hear full symphonies right when I'm about to fall asleep, I can hear and recognize and orchestrate all the instruments clearly like I'm some sort of musical prodigy, when in reality I can't even play an instrument. And it feels like I'm the one creating the musical piece from scratch. It's like we have talents hidden inside of us. Or maybe it really is "streaming" to us from somewhere else.

There's all sorts of "psychic" little things in our life that we don't recognize even if they're constantly in front of us… man…

My schizophrenia stems from smoking cannabis. I'd been smoking for a few years before fucking with a ouija board and dabbling in satanism (a la JoS, yaaay)

After dabbling in the occult, I experienced sensations that would be diagnosed as tactile hallucinations if one were to look at this from a medical perspective. A sort of massaging, sludgy pressure would press at various points of my head, and I would 'hear' words that simply appeared in my head as if I had thought them myself. Mainly fearful things seemingly meant to induce paranoia/panic attacks, along with an unceasing chorus of "I hate you," and "I want to kill you."

I came to the realization of how ignorant I was to the forces I was interacting with, and withdrew from practicing as a Satanist. The thoughts persisted, my luck grew worse, and I hesitated to dabble in any other spiritual practice. Meditation seemed to open me up further to the intrusive thoughts/voices, and I had to fight to keep fear from overtaking me at times.

Over time I've grown used to repelling the fear inducing thoughts, although I've come under attack from another angle. I used to nurture rage and bloodlust in my heart due to trauma in my past, and it's as if something picked up on that. The intrusive thoughts now meld with ideas I once had all on my own, and I am forced to physically convulse as violent urges overtake me.

Normally I'd just repel this similarly to the paranoia, but it seems that some small part of me takes great joy in fantasizing about becoming a predator.

Things aren't all bad, though. I've come this far because methods of protecting myself and resolving my issues have come to me through 'intuition,' similar to the intrusive thoughts, while feeling more 'natural.' It's not so much a thought popping into my head from a foreign source, but more like an instinct unlocked from above and within.

>>5603
>And it feels like I'm the one creating the musical piece from scratch

I do not get this feeling AT ALL. They feel distinct from me but connected to me.

>>2056
Assuming that the human mind functions at least partially non-magically, it seems extremely likely that malfunctions in the brain would cause something like schizophrenia to appear in some members of the population. So, while I'm not going to completely dismiss the idea that some people may be receiving genuine messages from some magical entity, I'm pretty sure at least a good portion of schizophrenics just have faulty brains that cause them to misinterpret reality.

>>2056
Also, as I originally intended to mention, but I got on a drunken tangent about some shit: I'm so fucking happy that this picture exists.

>>5641
But why the high failure rate?

Shizophrenics experience random delusions that conflict with each other. If you're saying you think there's anything to their nonsense caused by misfiring synapses then you must simultaneously believe in ghosts, aliens, ghost aliens, werewolves, etc, etc. And that thousands of separate people are the reincarnation of God, God's messenger, etc.

I know some conspiracies must be true, but it's ridiculous to believe in every random, odd fringe belief, just for the hell of it. It's worse than people who believe that everything is how it seems and how those in power tell them it is.

>>5738
>Pthh those foolish muggles and their silly beliefs.
Elitist much?
You must realize how arrogant you sound right?

>>5556
I sometimes experience that sort of stuff too, I also get random thoughts that will keep coming in to my mind for no reason, the latest phrase to have repeated itself randomly in my mind is "hell awaits those who listen", I haven't a clue what it means and how it got in my head.

>>9897
I am vastly superior to you in every way and you should just off yourself really as you're not even fit to serve me you silly mundane.

>>9912
Serve you? Why would I want to serve you? I serve no-one, especially not some self adoring pleb who sees everyone else as fools, your arrogance will be your undoing and the more you claim to be "above us" you lower you steep and the lesser you become.

>>9897
Elitism is only natural…

>>10041
>Why would I want to serve you?

Whether you want to serve me or not is completely irrelevant, if it my will that you shall, you WILL.

Your insignificance just grows stronger with each post you make, you're drowning in the mundane, and my posts shine like a golden radiance on this board.

I won't even ask you to hail me, your every breath already does, even if you don't know it.

>>10063
I serve you?
You think that I am at the command of others? Bah! I followed the white rabbit long ago, I do not serve.

>>10099
You don't serve me because as mentioned earlier you're worthless, I don't need you, you're not even good as a servant. You're less than a servant.

…and if ever I do maketh a servant out of you then you will receive it in the manner of impulses which you will surely not question and will simply act upon. There will be no me telling you anything via posts, none of that. If I do post anything to you, whatever is said in the posts, will not be the actual direction my willed intentions are bending you towards.

The best servant is the one who doesn't even know consciously where and to what he is being directed. Whether the servant is of an inclination to serve by what he believes to be his choice or to assert that he shall not serve, it matters not, for he does my will either way.

>>10110
You sound like the Illuminati mate, that isn't a good thing btw.

>>10175
Not a good thing for you perhaps. As much as the rabbit may plead with the fox, the fox will maintain his position over the rabbit.

>>10175
Dude, just ignore him. The people who say that kind of shit are either roleplayers, trolls or Smiley trying to farm loosh.

Schizophrenic tendencies are an attunement to high energies.

The more refracting the filter the more sporadic and noisy the manifestation is.

The more precise and attuned the lens then all the more directed and nuanced.

We don't see a latter manifestation as a schizophrenic abberation.

We see it as venerable, powerful, next-level moments.

>>11546
Fuck no. Schizophrenia is based as fuck. Load me up on schizophrenia.

>3rd eye awakened master race
Top lel, the reality of the disease is that it's one massive victim complex, that completely takes over you. No, really, I have a family member with it. The hearing voices thing is a Hollywood stereotype, and does not manifest with every patient. As for my brother, before his diagnosis, he stopped maintaining his hygiene, and started eating extremely unhealthily (as in blue pill corn syrup shit), and became an alcoholic. He alternated between being completely unresponsive and being extremely laconic and making no sense when you'd talk to him. He constantly felt like everyone was out to get him, and one time even became aggressive when he had been drinking. He started recovering as soon as he had been on meds for a while. Whenever he's off meds, however, the tumblr oppression delusion comes right back and he thinks literally everyone in the world hates him and wants to make fun of him, including me and the rest of the family. It's not a fucking gift, and he still hasn't fully recovered.

But hey, if you want to become so paranoid that you become hikikomori stuck feeling like shit in your own room, the only relief being the drugs you can get your hands on, with no hope of having enough mental clarity or motivation (it completely obliterates those, and that symptom is actually more common than any hallucinations) to meditate, do magick, or anything else for that matter, then fuck you, you're romanticizing some life ruining shit. There may be a 3rd eye awakened master race, but schizophrenia isn't it. I'm not even anti-wizard, but this anti-psychiatry is some scientology tier bullshit.

>>21586
Thank you, this is exactly what I wanted to convey with my post. Whether one chooses to treat mental illness with medicine or magick, schizophrenia is an illness like any other, and to glorify it is to make fun of anyone who actually suffers from it.

There's a fine line between normal psychic activity and schizophrenia. If you don't have a group consensus on what's real then you're schizophrenic, if you have people who experience the same things and you're open about it then you can relax and get on with life, learning and developing as you go.

>>21592
Absolutely; paranoid schizophrenia should never be the topic of derision, less so to be cozened as some kind of esoteric boon. That's just ridiculous. I've been around plenty of them for years; there is nothing positive about it at all, and it's foolish to misconstrue it as some kind of parapsychological boon. While entities are probably involved, it isn't for any more reason than to injure mankind's development by turning the masses away from esoterica and mysticism, further muddled by pop-mysticism and faux-parapsychology (eg 'headmates').

I hope your brother stays on his medication, it can contribute greatly to improving his quality of life.

I won't even try to discuss this shit anymore, your loved ones could have the most glorious lives, but are now crippled by a collective interpretation of their condition and the procedures that derive from that.

>>21677
So, in other words, an inherent perception of the interconnectedness and nonlocality of the All manifested in the material reality. Sounds great and is a relevant advantage to the practice of magic. No wonder it's just a problem in modern materialistic societies.

>>21677
thisthisthis

can't look at digital clocks when i know certain times are coming. i dread letting random songs come on because the lyrics might be threatening. i've gotten pretty good at recognizing individual roommate's footsteps coming down our hall.

movie titles, song names, dates, numbers. numbers, numbers, numbers. friday the 13th is coming. I'll be back to normal when it's passed. then another friday the 13th next month. ugh.

>>21883
Just to spoonfeed y'all, I'm going to list some not-so-appealing things associated with the condition:

-Difficulty with thinking, abrupt stops in the middle of train of thought, trouble understanding or comprehending things
-Loss of energy and motivation, lack of interest in anything
-Memory loss
-Concentration problems
-Bizarre behavior and disorganized thinking, like parroting others or stereotyped movement (more here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_disorder#Possible_signs_and_symptoms)
-Difficulty speaking, or even becoming completely unintelligible
-Catatonia, becoming mute
-Lack of social skills, difficulty expressing oneself in general or reading others
-Suicide

Would you want to give yourself depression, autism and dementia all at once? It doesn't really give you any powers, other than the power to become an hero.

>>21883
>>21885
That's exactly what we are talking about, they are just signs of specific outer plane affinities and facilitations that end up bad because modern medicine can't treat it properly. If taken to a shaman, especially as a child, this person would understand his condition and use to enormous advantage.

>>5214
I'm convinced that mushroom users need to continue the experience until they are satisfied and able to "hang up the phone" as Watts put it. Our capacity for language was almost definitely a result of early human use of it and evolution of thought on a massive scale seems to always be the result of its responsible use. I keep hitting dead ends in my thoughts and actions, but this one thing feels as though it will always be the light at the end of the tunnel that oppressive forces are constantly crafting around us.

>>21883
>>21885
The majority of this thread is with regard to those diagnosed with supposed schizophrenia, but in reality do not have a true debilitating mental disorder, and rather live in a mentally debilitating society.
The medical and pharmaceutical monopolies are more than willing to cause dependence on their products as early in life as possible using whatever vague criteria they can come up with. Novel thought processes can easily be pointed out and suppressed.

>>21885
>-Difficulty with thinking, abrupt stops in the middle of train of thought, trouble understanding or comprehending things
>-Loss of energy and motivation, lack of interest in anything
>-Memory loss
>-Concentration problems
>-Bizarre behavior and disorganized thinking, like parroting others or stereotyped movement (more here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_disorder#Possible_signs_and_symptoms)
>-Difficulty speaking, or even becoming completely unintelligible
>-Catatonia, becoming mute
>-Lack of social skills, difficulty expressing oneself in general or reading others
>-Suicide

>mfw I have all of these symptoms except I haven't completed suicide yet

Schizophrenic master race confirmed, FeelsGoodMan.

>>21974
>>21986
Some degree of irrationality and forgetfulness and whatnot is normal, it is a disease only when it becomes a problem for the individual, and this is a rule regarding pretty much all mental illness. This is why religious beliefs or such in general aren't regarded as insane. I read the article in the OP about the person hearing voices, and since they didn't really have any other symptoms besides that, I think they were quite likely diagnosed by mistake. I agree that medicalization is a problem, but that doesn't mean that if a person gets all of the symtoms I listed and suffers from them, they should not receive any help. In fact, perhaps the worst thing about over-diagnosis of different psychiatric disorders is the fact that it creates this kind of scepticism about the existence of brain problems as a real thing.

I did not intend to say this at first, but I have in fact had similiar symptoms as my brother, but they slowly went away as soon as I got away from an extremely stressful portion of my life, and started to eat healthier, exercise, meditate and socialize again. It was a shock to learn that the shit he's been through has been like the stuff I've already felt, only he couln't escape the feeling of being watched, of literally everyone else in the world hearing and judging your thoughts, of food being poisoned and only the food you speficically eat. It's extremely frightening and debilitating and not a desirable thing at all. I still retain some paranoid tendencies to this day, but nowadays I am more rational about it. So, yeah, I may have a fedora as my flag, but mine is more or less made of tin foil and antisemitism.

Smiley, if you can still astral project and actually read occult books and retain the information from them, you probably don't suffer from a thought disorder, because that shit makes it really hard to do those things. While it doesn't contain as many delicious oppression points, it's more likely that you're just kind of dumb or eccentric rather than mentally ill. But of course, a mundane explanation like that is hard to admit when one self diagnoses just to feel special.

>>22035
>>22038
A legitimate concern, perhaps, but complete paranoia is detrimental to one's well-being, as in case of Gödel.

>>22045
Have you tried autosuggestion? It worked for me.

1. Come up with a positive sentence, (with no "no's", like "I am X".)
2. Repeat it multiple times before going to sleep: add some imagination/visualization, (when I wanted to remove brainfog from me, I visualized a white light coming from my head, for instance)
3. See the results the next day, you might have to repeat it for several nights
4. You can also do the suggestion during daytime if you want to, but do it before falling asleep

This is basic autosuggestion which I used year back. It's simple and easy, try it out.

>>22047
By the way, the sentence could be something like, "My mind is bright, my thoughts are clear," or "I am energetic, I am energetic". Visualize yourself being full of energy, try to *feel* being energetic.

You don't have to say it out loud, you can say it in your mind.

>>22099
Fuck, I only noticed it was the pill guy now.

I think they are tuned in to something outside their brain, but many seem genuinely tormented. Other cases could be coverups and mind control, like the genius mathematician and cryptographer John Nash. Watching that movie, all I could think of was that this was a complete cover to convince him that what he was privy to wasn't real. He was probably drugged out to the point that he started believing it.

I don't understand why talking to yourself is a sign of "schizophrenia". I talk to myself a lot, and mostly it is a symptom of though overflow or emotion overflow. Sometimes talking to myself can have a similar effect to a mantra. It activates the energy flow in my astral body and helps me relax, much like chanting or singing. Sometimes there is a target, but I don't "hear" them. Mostly I'm talking to a thought that was seemingly thrown in my head and seemed to be some being communicating with me (or some part of my own being.) Other times it is a simple matter of reinforcing my memory with a spoken word. It's much harder to remember a thought than an vocalized statement.

>>2070
sauce?

>>4461
Despite all of this sounding mad. If we consider his same remarks at a future point in time it seems perfectly reasonable.

>>25270
> that's not common
this isnt to make you worship your good fortune
except in a litteral sense: do worship providence, because she does love you and helps you out if you let her

>>5415
>>5416
>>5417
thx
havent been diagnosed but have been labeled by family
i dont doubt they'd have drugged me up if they had could