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>>26956
Sounds pretty good. +1.
Personally I'd like to do some general stuff or lucid dreaming, but pretty flexible.

>>26959

I'm leaning towards Penczak's work at the moment as it is set out in a course-like fashion with mp3s to work through. He is classified as wiccan in the archives but the skills taught apply across the board.

The first book and set of mp3s covers [cd1] relaxation, meditation, affirmations, triggers using hand gestures, mental projection, correspondences, vibrational statements, polarity of the earth and sky, [cd2] heartbeat control, sun and moon, tree meditation, protection shields, [cd3] aura clearing, chakra opening and balancing, psychic travel [cd4] visiting the inner temple, healing, past-life exploration.

There are four further cd sets as well but I don't have the accompanying books as pdfs.

I have a few courses on lucid dreaming, haven't tried any myself yet but maybe we could do both in separate threads if people are up for it.

Here is track one from cd 1 of Penczak's stuff for you to see if you get on with it: You'll need a candle and a darkish room. Incense is optional but recommended.

https://mega.co.nz/#!fhYBwCTR!nHm8aTx_Uir3xCr1ND0lEFr41Oy-oXuwjF86iMhEzx4

>>26964

Ideally the discussion would be here on a thread on /fringe/, we could take up trips just for the group work thread if need be to help us keep our thoughts and experiences linked.

I've also enjoyed prometheus rising and the 8 circuit model is great for providing insight but was too lazy to do most of the exercises.

>>26964

Also, nice picture, I heard the 8 circuit model was created based on the chakra system although I'm not 100% on how accurate that is as I've not read Leary's books on it. Leary did write quite a few occult texts, relating tarot to the 8 circuit model amongst other things but in most of his books he's much harder to read than RAW.

>>26980

I just started Atkinson. Does he have exercises in his books?

Ideally we need something that has sets of exercises every so often. like prometheus rising with the exercises at end of every chapter.

We can always do more than one.

Also whatever system or books we end up doing we should have some people familiar with the work and skilled at it for advice, so if that's you, lurk pls.

>>26983
His books are mostly:
>Part I: lots of theory
>Part II: exercises
>>26980
flag pls no ban

>>26983
There's Arcane Formulas, though you should read Arcane Teachings before it.

Or we could have the Kybalion study group?

>>26993

Kyballion is mostly theory if I remember rightly, but I'm sure discussion would be useful.

It would make sense to go over the core /fringe/ texts as there will be a mix of neophytes and adepts.

I've been into the occult for a good few years and still haven't got round to reading the kyballion.

Theory based books would be good for debate, exercise based stuff would be good for experience reports, encouraging people to do more practical work and exchanging tips on method.

>Penczak

astral ghoul pls

>>27014

Can you give a reasonable criticism please, I don't want to be taking him seriously if I shouldn't be.

I like this idea very much so, but think we should make it absolutely clear which book, method, experiment or the like is going to be discussed. We get nowhere if we just keep discussing what we are going to do, hell even make a poll about it if necessary. Maybe even plan it ahead a while so we can keep the discussion flowing naturally.

My only suggestion would be to start at something basic and work up from there, to get everyone that joins in on the same level, so to speak.

Just some thoughts I'm throwing out, will be following this thread.

Both these books are presented like courses, have exercises at the end, are new to most here (not in sticky, which is good since people wouldn't want to go slowly through books they've already read), and are very good.

The Master-Key System is a 24 week course, with exercises at the end of each chapter. It is a practical wrapper to The Kybalion (/fringe/'s most recommended book), is very acclaimed, and has only been mentioned here once (by me).

Introduction to Magic by Julius Evola is an advanced, Magic book, which is worthy of group discussion and I doubt a Magic book exists online with better quality writing. It is meant to be approached chapter by chapter as a course. Would like to discuss the 'Knowledge of the Waters' part with others.

>>27062

Don't worry we don't have to rush into doing anything, right now we need to accumulate people commited to taking part, which means we have time to discuss what materials to choose while enough of the right people find the thread.

Personally I'd like to do the Penczak stuff, I've recently set up an altar (buddhist not wiccan, although I have got myself a fancy wooden wand) and feel drawn to witchy type stuff with candles, affirmations while in trance and visualisation etc. My experience with the first mp3 was very good. From the little I've read of him he seems like an agreeable guy with his head and heart in the right place.

I'd still like to hear criticisms of him from mr degenerate flag, or anyone else though. Tearing down idols and teachers is an important part of keeping autonomy in your practise. I hope its for a more substantial reason than him having an odd sounding last name.

I'm a little tired of RAW to be honest, I enjoy his fiction and stuff like the illuminatus papers but I overdosed myself on him with youtube videos a few years back and got tired of the kind of style he has in prometheus rising. I'd like to do a quantum psychology group in real life though, that book has real life group exercises rather than individual ones.

I'm not too drawn to lucid dreaming, although it would be useful realistically in my development as I have little time for practise in the waking hours. I get up in a rush due to mundane obligations so the basic things like keeping a dream diary is an issue.

There is no reason why we can't run multiple groups with different material if enough people are interested and commited to each course. Lucid dreaming courses could easily run side by side with a waking hours course.

Most of all we need to get a headcount, along with discussion and votes on what material to follow.

>>27076

Do you have links to pdfs?

I don't mind buying physical copies but others might.

>>27080

Thanks I shall be buying those.

Are there any illustrations? Will help decide whether to get hard copy or kindle.

>>27082
No illustrations. The different version comes after the other version, so if you'd like to flick back and forth, it may be easier to have in print. This version looks better, but is more expensive obviously:
http://www.amazon.com/Master-Key-System-Centenary-Higher/dp/1456336045/

Hola Frater K. Shouldn't you make an irc or some kind of group domain?

>>27093

I am not frater k, I am derpmongler. I think I should make that name into something wizardly and less chanlike, dopomongo maybe but that sounds like a fruit.

And irc would be good, I'm currently hanging out in irc.occultminds.com #here

>>27096

join irc.occultminds.com #fringe

>>27097

Don't just join and leave cus not many people are there guys, lurk and eventually people will get to talking.

Back on track… anyone else got any suggestions for materials we could use?

>>27078
Introduction to Magic is by no means an easy book. I remember reading it through during last spring slowly and being, quite frankly, too stupid to understand it as a theoretically insufficient neophyte. There were, of course, "easier" parts, but the meat of it was still too unattainable for me

No doubt I would benefit greatly from rereading and I would enjoy it as well, I just think that it's an honest preface - you should not read this book too early in your studies as to not waste your time and miss the good bits.

I have a nice version of Introduction to Magic from Frater K's former book dump on MEGA (The Temple of Solomon the King), but the file size is limited at ~8 Mb and the book is ~20 Mb. If you have any idea what other filesharing to use

>>27220

Use mega file upload limit is 50gb, mediafire is another option

>>27220

Use file dropper if you dont wanna have to sign up to use it

>>27230
Eh, I prefer file transferring without sign ups, but I guess it's time to start using MEGA.

https://mega.co.nz/#!IAg0QLbJ!mofxzl6FESZtsLlJHR1Jy2jJvFZgVMPjrJJd0l5JdFQ

>>27233

Thanks.

>>27220
I mentioned in my post it was an 'advanced' book. I myself have not progressed past the first part. It could be worth going through with a group to make for better understanding.

I have that copy and it has at least one page that is repeated and perhaps some other errors I haven't seen.

>>27287

I think going through an advanced book together would have benefits but it might suck unless we had at least one person who understands it, we might just end up confusing ourselves thinking we know whats up when we don't.

Has anyone tried this mp3 yet? >>26962

Don't just listen to it to see what its like, get a candle and dim the lights and go through with it properly.

The pdf copy of Penczak's book is awful quality, so maybe we could just do the mp3 sets.

http://www.occultcurriculum.com/files/ebooks/Learn-to-Meditate-Manual.pdf

Meditation book divided into weekly practise, covers all the basics on how to meditate well.

There have been more courses added here:

http://www.occultcurriculum.com/

Download the videos by using
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-downloadhelper/

Some ask for a password, click cancel and it lets you in anyway.

The evocation course looks interesting.

>>26956
Do you plebs have anything thats not 'basic intro to meditation dream and r1tu4l". People here have hardons for basic introductory shit, and never push the limit, which creates this fence barring them from getting to that limit. If you're going to harness group energy at least do something cool.

>>27379

We can run multiple groups at a time.

Evocation here >>27376 (You) is more advanced than everything else mentioned.

Do you think there's no merit in revisiting basics? Especially if help can be given to neophytes?

More importantly why aren't you suggesting anything?

We're not so much harnassing group energy as working through some system together.

Harnassing group energy would be good to do as well though, and more simple to carry out.

>>27379
>>27381

An example of group work could be weekly or daily practise using the same deity and/or same desires/intentions. Or the old meet in the astral thing.

>>27381
I work within a tradition, so I already do groupwork. I'm not being an asshole for no reason, but am viewing the flow and progression of this board in general, and it could be going far faster.

A sabbatic meeting place would be a good first step. The only problem is, a group must really flow together at all levels, energetically and mentally. A hodge-podge of /fringe/ wizurds isn't naturally going to click. Traditions have group initiations to bond the group, which is a huge difference between our work, and people flinging energy at each other over an irc.

>>27397

I agree the board could be better but I think you're missing the point of the thread. We're not working in a group as in say a coven or the golden dawn or OTO with group rituals and initiations, we'd be working separately on the same material and then comparing notes and experiences. I guess there would be a sense of community involved just not to the degree of an actual tradition.

>A sabbatic meeting place would be a good first step.

wuts a sabbatic?

irc has been interesting and benefitial, mostly, if only just to chat about our practises and experiences, we're not really doing any actual work there.

>>27397

What do you think we could do to improve the progression of the board in general?

Also are there any other sites you'd recommend?

>>27399
Without having a proper group covenant, the connection is too weak to merit any profit. At best you may be able to do basic energy work. The covenant allows for a stable circle with which you can use to explore beyond the realms that are singularly accessible.

TL;DR fringe circlejerks are a waste of time

>>27400
Nothing I can do, its all in the individual mental attitudes. When people look within, truthfully and want to better themselves with all of their thelema, it will happen. People often too easily are swept away by the currents of fancy and pride.

As for sites, usually what you can find by your own intuition will work for you. This requires trust of the self, and is why many people actually fall short. They trust authors, dead or otherwise to show them a path, when such paths are limited by the human condition.

>>27407

It's not about connection it's about doing the same course separately then comparing how we do to further our knowledge.

There's no actual group working involved in the sense that we are working an occult current together. It's individual work that gets discussed.

>>27407

While I've personally never been in a covenant so can't really compare it, I have had experiences with distant healing and global rites and they can work well.

>>27414
Many techniques are aimed at overcoming distance. At a certian level of Rei-ki certification, there's a lesson on distance healing. Remote viewing is another obvious example. The bond of a covenant, whether created physically, or truly in spirit, will linger, in some cases, even after death.

>>27409
>it's about doing the same course separately then comparing how we do to further our knowledge.
>This requires trust of the self, and is why many people actually fall short. They trust authors, dead or otherwise to show them a path

>>27416
>>it's about doing the same course separately then comparing how we do to further our knowledge.
>>This requires trust of the self, and is why many people actually fall short. They trust authors, dead or otherwise to show them a path

I don't get how this is related, we'd only be exchanging tips and knowledge not putting absolute trust in each other, you can hear other peoples experiences and still have trust in yourself to digest their point of view.

I've heard good things about Rufus Opus' new book Seven Spheres.

It's quite expensive ($50 for limited hardback copy) but would fit this thread as it is a seven month (+) long self initiation using planetary ritual.

http://www.miskatonicbooks.com/SEVEN-SPHERES-by-Rufus-Opus-Limited-Edition-Hardcover.html

>Seven Spheres is more than a simple book of traditional Hermetic Magic. It is designed to be a series of rituals that function on many levels to take an average ordinary magician and turn them into a self-actualized powerhouse of proactive reality engineering. It’s entirely about attaining initiation and empowerment in the highest levels of un-manifest reality. These experiences and rites result in the release of a floodgate of power that pour down through the layers of progressive manifestation, building up awareness, understanding, and ultimately raw potential as you move from sphere to sphere through the rites, ultimately culminating in the anointing of the magician as Priest-King directing the forces that climax in your personal daily experience of the Joy of your life. This book isn’t about physical or spiritual mastery, it is entirely about understanding that you, personally, are beloved, honored, blessed, and highly favored of every intelligence, spirit, angel, and god of every sphere. This is about understanding who you are and what you can accomplish as a human being manifest upon the surface of the Earth. Spiritual enlightenment and material mastery will be yours, if you do the work described.

DM here I kicked everyone from irc to try and change my name and get ops for the new name, so sorry bout that don't take offence yer welcome back.

>>27541
Read it already, the author is violently subjective.
"in my studies"
"in my opinion"
"I think"
Are the 3 most common phrases in the book. Also 7 spheres is easy as fuck to find in pdf…

If you want initiatory shit, try cave of the numinous, or primalcraft

>>27658

Can you link to pdfs?

Of all three 7 spheres, cave and primalcraft if possible

thanks

>>27702

Found 7 spheres

https://vk.com/doc13375874_363412099?hash=61fd3be5e7ccf5f15a&dl=739c313feaeec41f27

>>27658

Is it worth doing despite the common phrases?

>>27705
If you guys need to find a book that isn't available on the surface net I'll check TO.bz for you.

I suggest checking out TDS's thoughts on daily spiritual practice/initiation.

http://thedivinescience.com/daily-spiritual-practice

>>27734

If you have a to.bz invite I'd appreciate one, I'll buy a seedbox to keep good ratio.. I also have quite rare material that I could upload there.

derpmongler@hotmail.co.uk

>>27740

The rare material being occult lecture/stand up by ken campbell the guy who did RAW's illuminatus trilogy 9 hour play production.

I also have an audio recording of the play but not sure if I'm willing to share that yet as it cost over £100.

Got the material from a kickstarter campaign, all exclusively released for the kickstarter and likely won't ever be realeased again.

>>27734

Thanks for the link btw.

Also if you could email me anyways with a troll/magic account or something that would be cool, I get emailed requests for books that I don't own pdfs of sometimes.

>>27705
Speaking objectively, the practices aren't awful, but its nothing you can't find in ye olde IIH by Bardon. The author just kind of goes through a known system, in a very subjective manner. I found it slow, and kind of boring, and it didn't really peak my interest or stand out at all. If you genuinely meditated within yourself for a month or two, and worked with chakras/sephira diligently, you could surpass the material in that book.

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