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Without all these neophytes there wouldn't even be much discussion on here. We initiates and adepts are too busy practising magick rather than talking about it.

Great suffering and seemingly insurmountable problems are common amongst sincere neophytes because this is what usually causes people to become deeply interested in the occult to begin with. They do not find answers in the mundane way of doing things to resolving their problems so they are driven to look deeper and consider concepts too unpalatable for others who are already comfortable emotionally and otherwise. The man who is already constantly suffering can't be made more upset so he will often listen where others would just become outraged and shut themselves off from the message. Discontent and desperation will push someone to the fringes of thought and inspire one to try out the most absurd things, sometimes for many years, until at last they stumble upon seeds of true understanding. Those who are content and happy to begin with as a rule will fail to develop far even though their problems are easier to fix and they would seem to have the advantage over others. They are stagnant – even if they do resolve their petty issues they don't have the lasting sting of past suffering to encourage them onwards to greater spheres of attainment as they do not fear the material existence they are so comfortable within.

You higher souls destined for greatness may feel great shame and mediocrity, this is common especially for those who have experienced life on higher planes even for a moment, but if you are unwilling to accept or even perceive the apparent flaws of material life you will be able to go much further than those who find contentment and happiness and rest at a low level of attainment.

I see a lot of…

>neophytes humble enough to admit they are learning (these ones are good)
>run of the mill immature bluepill egalitarian faggots wanting to change the world instead of actually doing it, usually here to urge others to make the world a "better place", because they are so weak
>people who have no faith and want proof of the occult (*tips fedora*) even though it is rarely the will of an initiate to waste time on people like this when they have better things to do with their powers and they know most people react badly to these overt displays of power
>occult theorists who've read a lot of obscure and useless shit that is only impressive to the mundanes but who wield no actual power because they don't practise

I want to deliver a message and see how you people react… there is a whole parallel world around you with amazing things happening all the time. Stuff many of you struggle to pull off even once like astral projection is as easy for some of us initiates to do as a 16 year old hornball getting an erection over every tit he sees. While you're still trying to get a basic grasp of how the mental universe works or fix up little issues with diet and posture and so on, there are initiates like me out in the world doing their own will and achieving what appear to be miracles to the uninitiated.

All this study and shit is just preparation for your real life. You are all dead men waiting to be born, waiting to begin living your real life. You're going to have a LOT more fun and experience everything in a much more deep, intense, and conscious way than ever before when at last the urges of your spirit to real awakening lets you do the "impossible". You might think you're pretty conscious right now but you ain't in the /illuminati/ and you've barely even glimpsed or dared to believe how incredibly powerful you can become.

I have some special advice for many of the question askers on here. Do not ask how to do specific things with magick. What you need is a whole new way of thinking. If you know how to think Hermetically you can solve every single issue by application of the basic principles. From One, Know All. If you figure out how to successfully apply magick in one way, it is a trivial matter to do a great many other things in the same way, provided you understand the underlying principles. Most question askers I see on this board, they create sooooo maannnyyy posts, but they are ignorant and will keep asking these silly questions because they just don't GET IT. In terms of computer science it is like a bunch of noobs asking more experienced programmers to just give them scripts for every little thing they need instead of just learning how to program so they can create scripts for anything they want themselves. If the noobs even get the scripts they are being given to work for them, it's working on an unconscious level for them for they have not the recognition of what is really going on, and so they struggle to keep progressing even if they do manage to meet with some success in one matter.

Clearly if you neophytes on here were all ready for what I am telling you now and would figure this out for yourselves the nature of the conversations being held on here will change a lot as you won't need to ask so many questions and you'll be able to discuss other stuff than the mere basics, in fact, you will be able to talk about your actual experiences practising magick for fun (if you feel like it) because you should be competent enough that you don't really need to "be in school" anymore.

Thing is you'd all discover that communications via the astral are a lot faster and better and you'd all start hanging out with us illumined in astral /fringe/. I imagine this board then would become mostly a place to shitpost while taking trips back into third density for awhile and a mindboggeling insanity would seem to flourish on the board to outsiders.

So it is that I recognize the purpose of the board and don't really mean to interfere. It is my intention to give a little encouragement for some specific individuals here we know will be joining our illumined ranks soon. We anticipate your arrival.

I am going to pick a random poster on here and start sending thoughtforms to fuck with you for keks. I will of course in so doing speed up your spiritual development.

Wow all this shit I just typed out is such a mess now. Fuck it, I'm going to post it anyways, and watch what reactions occur.

Concise summary of the above ramblings:

The community of /fringe/ is getting a lot of dogmatists embedded into it who can't think outside of the constraints of the only personality they possess. There is not enough creative thinking and brainstorming going on so shit is getting stagnant. Having to rigidly adhere to some stupid rules of social conduct or a moral code is limiting some posters here.

Egalitarians please just shut up or you know what come at me right in this thread so I can tear your stupid worldview down and show you why you're all wrong.

Stop treating people that come here with problems like shit. A true wizard can solve any problem and I don't mean this as an insult to the people trying to get help solving problems I mean this as an insult to the people who fail to help the person asking for help.

Learn to think Hermetically, apply the master keys to all problems, become a "programmer" and not just a guy who asks for scripts. Don't ask specific questions about how to do things in the occult when you could instead learn the axioms and thought-processes that make you a master problem solver.

Come join us on astral /fringe/ when you're ready!

nice read, its even good advice if magic wasnt real. at least i think that.

would you answer me a question about 3rd D.?

>>29669
>would you answer me a question about 3rd D.?

Maybe but I not be willing to really meditate upon the question and make sure the answer you get is a good one. Depends on what the question is and how worthy it is.

I understand that the final key to me going forward is me managing to astral project. But why is it so hard and why are there so many factors blocking me?

I have a split consciousness, I can project but my image is shit. But I can't leave my body sometimes because the moon is in the wrong position or something fucks with me.
I know AP is easy for you, but what was your main principles you were going for just before you managed to project naturally?

Thank you for coming by.

>>29662

>there is a whole parallel world around you with amazing things happening all the time.

How many people?

>>29673
there is a corporation called mega holdings ltd. operating in germany.

it started several decades ago, in polynesia, i think.

they offer a flatrate website toolkit+hosting for 3 years dues paid up front(750 $)

its member based marketing, everyone who bought the product can marketeer to another, with provisions for every "sell". if that new member sells the product again in that hierarchy, all members above receive provisions.

i think its a snow-ball system or ponzi scheme.

i was approached by dennis o. (echelon germany) in wiesbaden where he operates with 10 or so members who seem to be controlled by him in a sect like environment. he certainly schools them to sell more of that product. some of the members also claimed to have magical powers.

my question is: what are their motives/who is behind them and do they really have powers?

i got a second question, too :) : what shot down plane 4U yesterday?

>>29662
feels pretty motivating

>>29678
Tons of people. They are literally everywhere and found even where you don't expect them. I'd say a good 1% of the population has some reasonably well-developed occult powers. Read this post, you will find it insightful: >>29608

>>29675
Make a persistent thoughtform that acts as a kind of soul abductor gravity ball thing and use it on yourself to pull your astral body out whenever needed. Problem solved and it can also be used on other people then too with further programming. Just keep the thoughtform well powered up so it doesn't dissipate or you'll have to make a new one again.

>>29698
Got ya. I didn't even think of that idea. That will take me 5 minutes.

>>29697

I honestly feel like everyone I know is more advanced in an occult sense than I am.

I feel like we're the 1% of idiots who just don't get it and get laughed at for elaborate systems on how to suck eggs.

>>29698
Thank you. That was way too easy. Sometimes I wonder how blind I am to things I yet haven't realized.

>>29699
If you need more ideas along those lines read Chasing Phantoms by Carissa Conti (Tom Montalk's GF).

The way the aliens do things in that book is highly efficient and practical. Just apply your occult knowledge to doing the same things they do.

>>29702
Yeah I got it. I got a Gravity-Man that looks like a video game item. Thing sucks my conscious body really hard even when I was making it.

I feel confident to leave soon.
How will I know to find you guys when I make it out?

>>29700
>How will I know to find you guys when I make it out?

Chances are someone will find you before you find them. Confidently expecting someone to find you will increase the chances of it happening too. If not then you're going to have to get the hang of navigating the astral / doing psychomancy.

Try examining 8ch.net/fringe/ itself from the astral and follow those thoughtclouds around that are attached to this site.

>>29679
That's a lot of investigating I would have to do to answer your questions.

I think a more interesting question concerning the 4U plane is whether it was the intentional creation of some dedicated occultist shitposter or the accidental creation of shitposters who reached such a high level of concentration and excitement practising their shitposting that they created the event unintentionally.

Check out >>>/grundescorp/

>>29774
I have also been inspired. Brothers! together we can all figure out how to perform astral projection and join the ranks. Together now we can achieve it!

>>29778
APing is one thing, navigating the astral is a whole new matter that is very difficult.

>>29660
>Stop treating people that come here with problems like shit. A true wizard can solve any problem and I don't mean this as an insult to the people trying to get help solving problems I mean this as an insult to the people who fail to help the person asking for help.

Is failure in regards to anothers development within our scope of control. Right now I feel as if everyone I interact reprisents a tiny aspect of myself, future potential or past (in frightening similarity.) These acting like unresolved aspects of self. Do I need to help them (as I feel I should?) or accept they are as I part of one and inherently their own creation? I love people and hate myself, I know hippies, and new age gurus, self helpers, and every feel good pansy says it is not possible. I do all the time though, giving my best to everyone around me until I am numb… in this way I don't need to feel the hate for my Self. I go to sleep dreamless if I even sleep at all. How do I remedy this? What am I missing?

I seem to live in this constant air of shame, doubt, and despair though I have fewer reasons to feel it every day I move forward. Who designed this fucking ride?

>>29800
Everything is a stepping stone. I'll cross that bridge once it comes.

Thanks for coming by, I am encouraged to keep going.

That was quite motivational, illuminated one. Hopefully I won't take too long to join you all for the next step of this magical adventure.

>>29698
Does this thoughtform take an absurd amount of energy? I'm trying to debug my problems for making it.

Thank you for your words and suggestions.

I guess I have been to easy, where I am capable enough to start actually do more serious work. Move beyond pure training.

``Chasing Phantoms`` has been bumped up my reading list now.

>>29932
What constitutes an "absurd amount of energy" depends on your level of development.

Find out for yourself by trying to make it.

For the Montalk anon it was easy, trivial, a matter of 5 minutes of concentration.

For me it's no problem either.

For you? It'll be easy if you have the confidence to think it will be.

If you are having trouble making it, take a moment to project your astral hands, and then use those hands to touch and feel things around you for awhile. Try to feel with them the ground, objects around you, etc. as best you can.

Then try again making the ball. You should have more success. Unless your problem is with another element. The exercise I give you mostly addresses the Earth element.

I don't think you will have trouble though if you do as I say.

>>29971
Thanks I'll give it another shot. I did not want to ask questions for making it because of what has been said in the thread. But sometimes you get into that vicious cycle which I think a lot of other neophytes are in where they can't astral project to get a better hang on magic and such.

>>30005
Thanks again for that. I would like to ask about the "It's also easier if you know what AP actually is and how it actually works." part. It seems everyone has different views of how it works and what it is. Do you have any books or resources that are of good quality for this?

Former lurker here, just posting to say that you gave me the motivation(inspiration?) to start reading through the book list and start taking this whole thing with less of a sceptics attitude.

Dear /illuminati/ wizard,

I have a problem for magical practice I'd truly appreciate your advice on.

I've always felt immense potential but unable to fulfill it out in the world, and my life seems to have piled up with more and more insurmountable problems that keep me locked into extreme distress. The potential comes in elusive waves, writings, rare feats of magical brilliance. But my body and poor mental balance always drags me down. I'm always searching. I haven't done anything else except search intensely for a way to reach the potential since I was born.

Anyway, it's come to a head with health issues. I'm worried that resolving one might block my magical progress in this life. I have some kind of nerve damage or something unknown to a testicle from a routine operation. All I really feel now is intense pain from it, day after day for over a year, which blocks all subtle sensations and balance in body or experience. The pain and dysfunction from it has slowly broke everything else apart in my body and behaviour, as I failingly tried to heal my body by non-surgical means.

It makes discipline really hard because there's such baseline pain in every moment that any indulgence that would lessen it a little seems so tempting. I used to do nofap for half a year at a time, and altered whole social groups and brought big things into my life with magic. I used to be able to make or break others' fortunes and existences, at my best. But I feel like nothing more than a wounded animal now.

Anyway the doctor said I might need to have the testicle removed. I'm just wondering from a magical perspective whether having one removed would be fatal? Would it destroy esoteric anatomy and prevent Kundalini building or anything like that? I feel like the pain being gone would make me a lot more powerful, but I'd really appreciate insight or intuition from somebody who's living magically.

I just want to remove it and carry on progressing, appreciating every moment more because of past pain. Medically they say normal function continues with only one, but you know they don't take esoteric stuff into account. So if I have to bear the extreme pain to make esoteric progress, maybe I should do that. Or maybe I should kill myself and start again in a new body? I've heard that's bad though, and I think I'd be destroying massive things that could result in this world, and leaving people dependent on me behind.

Btw astrologically relevant: crazy strong and occult-related birth chart but riddled with a whole blindness/lack of discipline complex along with the esoteric gifts and power. And I'm under like 30 years of everything being in Saturn from a couple of years ago, with progressions or something like that. Also Moon under Algol (star of evil) and born under Antares, both of which occult related but apparently can cause great sickness.

Apologies to all who read for boring rambling. Just didn't want to leave anything out. Want to progress magically so much.

>>30005

You've likely moved onto bigger and better things since last night, but on the off chance you check back into this thread, I'll leave this here.

You mentioned having a destination in mind for AP, and then mentioned Veelox. Is there a good resource for the various locations in the astral plane, the denizens present there and the dangerous areas to avoid, or is it all a learn as you go type thing?

Either way, thank you for coming. I've set my sights even higher than the were before, and now so many different things seem laughably attainable in comparison.

>>29951
No, it is not vague and I appreciate the input. I understand it to the extent that you intuitivly were able to make each point in a manner I could understand. That in and of its self is more helpful than you may ever know. I will continue to read, dream, and improve. The manner of improving others is foolish at this point. I have been beating my head against trying to improve myself and my relitionships at the same time (while not problematic) doing so to the same INTENSITY (trying to green pill/awaken others) has been killing me. I agree with the few friends sentiment, I have never been the super popular type, content to have a few good friends over many shitty ones. I keep hearing about 'reality checks' in lucid dreaming… perhaps something like 'quality checks' while waking would be helpful. Is there any sort of material on this? I have been reading "Games people play" this weekend. Again my gratitude to you and the wisdom you offer.

>>30076
One of Samael Aun Weor's coachings for AP was to go to the "Gnostic Temple" the "Great White Fraternal Lodge," or also the "Heart Temples of the Cosmos" wherein the Archangels or some shit lives.

http://gnosticteachings.org/books-by-samael-aun-weor/the-zodiacal-course/1142-gemini.html

Hello Illuminated Wizard

I feel as though I should be asking my Self these questions, but it has been a long time since I have been in contact with Him, and I have grown quite desperate here, thinking I may possibly die in this density without completing my mission and thus be forced in it's cycle of reincarnation.

To completely embody the One Cosmic Will is my only goal, but the million small steps leading to it's completion are mentally daunting to me and I don't know where to go, what to do, how to start, or anything.

However, I suspect the answer lies in a complete shift in perspective and mindset, and thus your "thinking Hermetically" comment rang true in my heart. So now my question is this, how do I go about instigating this change of thought? How do I learn to think Hermetically? How do I begin to apply the 7 Principles into my daily life and habits? Please help, for I think you may be the one who makes the difference for me at this moment.

Thank you and be well

Just another fellow who just happened to glance by this post.

I've become rather ill lately, so excuse me in advance for my type.

This one knows what he's talking about, he's done what he needed to do and now he's reveling in his rewards. I too, as well as all of the /illuminati/ are at this level.

Desire is a powerful tool and conflicts are there to teach.

>>30970
I don't have anyone else to ask and I think I've mostly got enough practical knowledge laying around to figure out how to get closer to your levels, but I want to know, from your perspective:

Is pure desire for power (or empowerment) a good thing? I feel like the only thing I want out of magic and self development is easily describable in sense of power for powers sake. Being more capable than anyone else just because it's good to be. Most things that are described or could be done interest me simply because I want to try them, like looking at powers as toys for my own enjoyment. And the learning process as well - entertainment which fill one with joy because it's neither a waste of time nor debilitating and degrading.

>>30980
It is not a good thing. It degrades the soul.

>>30972
Reported for faggotry.

>>30972
>You speak of the egoists

Yet another faggot hating on ego.

>>30986
>>30989
Reporting you both for faggotry.

>>30980
Power is based as fuck. You can identify slaves who are NEVER GOING TO MAKE IT by their fear of power. He who would deny you power either wants it for himself or wants everyone to be a slave.

>>30980
A good thing? Morally? Beneficially?

If your desire for power is as intense as pure desperation, then you will achieve what you want to achieve.

>>30942
While I cannot speak to the one who you're talking to, the next density will teach us of love and compassion. The only way you would not accompany into the 4th Density is if you're of a luke warm polarity. Not predominantly positive nor negative.

>>31141
This is not the OP.