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Law of Attraction is self-explanatory but how do you use the pineal gland?

>>32246

Everything about the pineal gland is conjecture. The discordians picked it up from Descartes who claimed with no real reason at all that it was the means through which the soul operates the body. The discordian saying consult your pineal gland is pretty much saying "take shitloads of acid"

The dmt relating to the pineal gland theory came after.

It is however around the spot of the ajna/third eye chakra

>>32250

Also I'm not a scholar so don't take me too seriously with this version of history but according to what I've picked up this is the case.

>>32246
LoA is actually not really self-explanatory, there's a lot of little nuances people don't get, like the difference between directly willing something to happen through emotional resonance versus merely concentrating your thoughtforce into the wanting of the thing and achieving nothing.

>>32250
>from Descartes who claimed with no real reason at all

No he had a reason… but the reason is invalid:

>Descartes' short remarks about a small gland in the middle of the brain which is of paramount importance apparently generated a lot of interest. In 1640, Descartes wrote several letters to answer a number of questions that various persons had raised. In these letters, he not only identified the small gland as the conarion or pineal gland (29 January 1640, AT III:19, CSMK 143), but also added some interesting points to the Treatise of man. First, he explained why he regarded it as the principal seat of the rational soul (a point that he had not yet addressed in the Treatise of man): “My view is that this gland is the principal seat of the soul, and the place in which all our thoughts are formed. The reason I believe this is that I cannot find any part of the brain, except this, which is not double. Since we see only one thing with two eyes, and hear only one voice with two ears, and in short have never more than one thought at a time, it must necessarily be the case that the impressions which enter by the two eyes or by the two ears, and so on, unite with each other in some part of the body before being considered by the soul. Now it is impossible to find any such place in the whole head except this gland; moreover it is situated in the most suitable possible place for this purpose, in the middle of all the concavities; and it is supported and surrounded by the little branches of the carotid arteries which bring the spirits into the brain” (29 January 1640, AT III:19–20, CSMK 143). And as he wrote later that year: “Since it is the only solid part in the whole brain which is single, it must necessarily be the seat of the common sense, i.e., of thought, and consequently of the soul; for one cannot be separated from the other. The only alternative is to say that the soul is not joined immediately to any solid part of the body, but only to the animal spirits which are in its concavities, and which enter it and leave it continually like the water of river. That would certainly be thought too absurd” (24 December 1640, AT III:264, CSMK 162). Another important property of the pineal gland, in Descartes' eyes, is that it is small, light and easily movable (29 January 1640, AT III:20, CSMK 143). The pituitary gland is, though small, undivided and located in the midline, not the seat of the soul because it is outside the brain and entirely immobile (24 December 1640, AT III:263, CSMK 162). The processus vermiformis of the cerebellum (as Descartes called the appendage which Galen had discussed) is not a suitable candidate because it is divisible into two halves (30 July 1640, AT III:124, not in CSMK).

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pineal-gland/

3. Post-Cartesian Development

3.1 Reactions to Descartes' Views

Only a few people accepted Descartes' pineal neurophysiology when he was still alive, and it was almost universally rejected after his death. Willis wrote about the pineal gland that “we can scarce believe this to be the seat of the Soul, or its chief Faculties to arise from it; because Animals, which seem to be almost quite destitute of Imagination, Memory, and other superior Powers of the Soul, have this Glandula or Kernel large and fair enough” (Willis 1664, ch. 14, as translated in Willis 1681). Steensen (1669) pointed out that Descartes' basic anatomical assumptions were wrong because the pineal gland is not suspended in the middle of the ventricles and is not surrounded by arteries but veins. He argued that we know next to nothing about the brain. Camper (1784) seems to have been the very last one to uphold the Cartesian thesis that the pineal gland is the seat of the soul, although one may wonder whether he was completely serious. In philosophy, a position called “Cartesian interactionism” immediately provoked “either ridicule or disgust” (Spinoza 1677, part 2, scholium to proposition 35), usually because it was seen as raising more problems than it solved, and it continues to do so to this day, but as we have already indicated, it is doubtful whether Descartes was a Cartesian interactionist himself.

Some of the reasons that Descartes gave for his view that the pineal gland is the principal seat of the soul died out more slowly than this view itself. For example, his argument that “since our soul is not double, but one and indivisible, […] the part of the body to which it is most immediately joined should also be single and not divided into a pair of similar parts” (30 July 1640, AT III:124, CSMK 149), for instance, still played a role when Lancisi (1712) identified the unpaired corpus callosum in the midline of the brain as the seat of the soul. This view was, however, refuted by Zinn (1749) in a series of split-brain experiments on dogs. Lamettrie and many others explicitly rejected the thesis that the unity of experience requires a corresponding unity of the seat of the soul (Lamettrie 1745, ch. 10).

3.2 Scientific Developments

In scientific studies of the pineal gland, little progress was made until the second half of the nineteenth century. As late as 1828, Magendie could still advance the theory that Galen had dismissed and Qusta ibn Luca had embraced: he suggested that it is “a valve designed to open and close the cerebral aqueduct” (Magendie 1828). Towards the end of the nineteenth century, however, the situation started to change (Zrenner 1985). First, several scientists independently launched the hypothesis that the pineal gland is a phylogenic relic, a vestige of a dorsal third eye. A modified form of this theory is still accepted today. Second, scientists began to surmise that the pineal gland is an endocrine organ. This hypothesis was fully established in the twentieth century. The hormone secreted by the pineal gland, melatonin, was first isolated in 1958. Melatonin is secreted in a circadian rhythm, which is interesting in view of the hypothesis that the pineal gland is a vestigial third eye. Melatonin was hailed as a “wonder drug” in the 1990s and then became one of the best-sold health supplements. The history of pineal gland research in the twentieth century has received some attention from philosophers of science (Young 1973, McMullen 1979), but this was only a short-lived discussion.

3.3 Pseudo-Science

As philosophy reduced the pineal gland to just another part of the brain and science studied it as one endocrine gland among many, the pineal gland continued to have an exalted status in the realm of pseudo-science. Towards the end of the nineteenth century, Madame Blavatsky, the founder of theosophy, identified the “third eye” discovered by the comparative anatomists of her time with the “eye of Shiva” of “the Hindu mystics” and concluded that the pineal body of modern man is an atrophied vestige of this “organ of spiritual vision” (Blavatsky 1888, vol. 2, pp. 289–306). This theory is still immensely popular today.

3.4 Conclusion

Descartes was neither the first nor the last philosopher who wrote about the pineal gland, but he attached more importance to it than any other philosopher did. Descartes tried to explain most of our mental life in terms of processes involving the pineal gland, but the details remained unclear, even in his own eyes, and his enterprise was soon abandoned for both philosophical and scientific reasons. Even so, the pineal gland remains intriguing in its own right and is still intensely studied today, with even a whole journal dedicated to it, the Journal of Pineal Research.

The pineal gland is a link between the consciousness of man and the invisible worlds of Nature. Whenever the arc of the pituitary body contacts this gland there are flashes of temporary clairvoyance, but the process of making these two work together constantly is one requiring not only years, but lives of consecration and special physiological and biological training.

This third eye is the Cyclopean eye of the ancients, for it was an organ of conscious vision long before the physical eyes were formed, although vision was a sense of cognition rather than sight in those ancient days.

In the pineal gland there is a tiny bit of grit, or sand, concerning which modern science knows practically nothing. This is absent in idiots and others lacking properly organized mentality. This grit is the key to spiritual consciousness of man. It serves as a connecting link between consciousness and form.

>>32278
I am unconvinced the pineal gland is all that important of a structure and does anything beyond regulate melatonin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_eye
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobsang_Rampa#The_Third_Eye

>>32280
Wise men throughout the ages disagree with you. It is home to the most important chakra, making it supremely important.

Perhaps you fall into the category of those without grit or have simply not thoroughly investigated it outside of >wikipedia.

>>32291
I have investigated extensively outside of wikipedia and I find your comment extremely unhelpful in further establishing any facts about the pineal gland. I have familiarized myself with essentially every author on the matter, their sites, and the whole range of theories.

Name those "wisemen of the ages". I am very powerful and I am also sick of bullshit being propagated concerning occult facts. Lets see your sources for what you're talking about, chances are, I've probably already read them or else read the original sources your sources are based on.

The Eastern traditions vary as to where they think the Ajna chakra is but generally think it's roughly between the eyebrows and at the surface of the skin. It was theosophist retards that suggested for the time it was located at the pineal gland.

Lets gather all sites and information concerning the pineal gland we can please, I want to review this topic again.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/10.1111/%28ISSN%291600-079X/issues

http://metatoninresearch.org/Home.php#research

I guess nobody else gives a shit about this enough to actually review the subject for a few hours.

I worked to decalcify my pineal gland and had my first astral projection with in days. I think this whole thread is full of fools yammering pridefully about things they have every right to be insecure about. I am not appointed in you, /fringe/.

>>32294
My first post has information taken from Manly Hall, an authority on occultism, and seems pretty informative to me. Do you claim to know more than him about the occult?

It is often symbolized by a pine cone, which you can see on Buddha.

http://www.eng.vedanta.ru/library/yoga_from_the_shore_to_shore/kriya_yoga.php
"At the top of the spinal cord is the other very important conducting centre - the pineal gland, which in yoga we call the ajna chakra."
From Swami Satyananda Saraswati, one of the great modern day Yogis. The good texts I read also associate the pineal gland with ajna.

>>32310
>My first post has information taken from Manly Hall, an authority on occultism, and seems pretty informative to me.

I've already read several of the Freemason Manly P. Hall's books including Secret Teachings of All Ages and Lectures on Ancient Philosophy and several other books.

>Do you claim to know more than him about the occult?

Possibly. I also know he sucked terribly at relationshits and his first wife committed suicide after a few years of marriage and his second marriage was pretty shit too.

>It is often symbolized by a pine cone, which you can see on Buddha.

No shit. Practically every article on the subject says as much.

>http://www.eng.vedanta.ru/library/yoga_from_the_shore_to_shore/kriya_yoga.php

Do you have any occult techniques to verify any of the functions or importance of the pineal gland OR scientific studies on the matter? Until then, it's just a thing you can use to control sleep, and I would guess from personal experience it may be linked in some way to visualization and to tuning into thoughtcurrents BUT I tend to think you need the whole brain and body to accomplish this. I see the brain as acting like a hologram, its functions distributed everywhere, and it still working if you cut out chunks of it.

>>32330
Well, my pineal gland has never been calcified, so… can't do that experiment.

I don't think the ajna chakra is confined to the pineal gland, it's more distributed over the whole of the head, with the crown chakra just being on top of the head.

Maybe it centers over the pineal gland; but that's because the pineal gland is at the centre of the head.

The chakras themselves aren't physical you know, they should all have physical correspondences, but the chakras themselves are surely astral constructs.

Maybe I will go to some very knowledgeable adepts in the astral itself and learn from them one day the true significance of the pineal gland until they I'm reluctant to comment much on that structure or to trust much of what people are saying about it.

>>32332
How do you know it hasn't? It happens to the majority.

Where is your knowledge coming from? The information in my pic comes from a very knowledgeable adept, yet you don't comment on it nor did you read it based on your post. Instead you offer more ignorant speculation.

I am done here.

>>32335
>How do you know it hasn't?

Know that what has not?

>It happens to the majority.

What does? …and what am I supposedly denying happens?

>Where is your knowledge coming from?

A fuckload of sites that have been shared on /fringe/ over the years and many books.

>The information in my pic comes from a very knowledgeable adept, yet you don't comment on it nor did you read it based on your post. Instead you offer more ignorant speculation.

What should I be saying about it beyond what I already said? I think I will add that every single author has a different idea as to how each chakra appears visually and as such I do not trust any text that says chakras appear a specific way and I think chakras may be thoughtforms / metaphysical organs that are developed and can look any manner the person who initially creates them in themselves imagines them to be OR they have no fixed appearance and all appearances of the chakras described are subjective.

I have done chakra meditations for years btw after researching everything I could find on them until there was no new material for me to read on the subject. I have posted them before on /fringe/

>I am done here.

kek, so buttfrustrated, so easily!

Also, as far as I'm concerned, all you're offering up is ignorant speculation and you seem to have not read nearly as much about chakras as me so you don't know about the contradictions from different "adepts".

I have read what Michael Talbot, Lobsang Rampa, various New Age retards, and all of the various Eastern occult traditions have said on the chakras and they all have different things to say about the exact locations, the number of chakras, and their appearance. I have also read what Robert Bruce has said on them and consider his writings the most reliable. I have spent many hundreds of hours in total researching them and seeing what all the various authorities have said about it.

I consider the Dan Tiens to be the most useful.

You've already run off though as you don't like your particular Hindu dogma contradicted.

Right now I just want to see some proof of this claim in particular:

>In the pineal gland there is a tiny bit of grit, or sand, concerning which modern science knows practically nothing. This is absent in idiots and others lacking properly organized mentality. This grit is the key to spiritual consciousness of man. It serves as a connecting link between consciousness and form.

I don't see why I should accept that statement.

>This third eye is the Cyclopean eye of the ancients, for it was an organ of conscious vision long before the physical eyes were formed, although vision was a sense of cognition rather than sight in those ancient days.

…and this here is wrong and is Cartesian bullshit. Cognition occurs over the whole brain in a holographic manner NOT just in the pineal gland.

>>32306
What method did you use to decalcify it?

>>32367
Just consume fuckloads of citric acid and use your awareness to fix up your pineal gland. Citric acid is found in all citrus fruits; so consume oranges and lemons and so on and then go meditate and focus on your pineal gland then use energy work (Robert Bruce style) and send in tons of Earth elemental energy (meaning that heaviness/tingling/touchy/tactile/rushing kind of energy) all throughout your body and through your head and brain while holding the intent and emotional resonance of "healing" and it'll all be fixed up, even stuff other than your pineal gland will be fixed up. Oh and yeah make sure to do the Rhythmic breathing from William Walker Atkinson's Science of Breath book to induce trance and get more prana into your body to work with while doing this.

The citric acid will decalcify the pineal gland. The meditation part will help direct the energy and citric acid molecules there to get that work done.

I've never had to decalcify my pineal gland because my water supply isn't poisoned with fluoride but I know this will work for you.

Afterwards text out your astral senses especially visualization and see how lucid and powerful they are. If they are working well then you've fixed everything up.

I highly suggest you cleanse the whole brain, circulating tons of Earth energy through all parts of it, and cleanse your whole body too. Remember the holographic principle; All in All. If any one part of your body suffers the whole body suffers. You need everything in good working order and then you'll be able to do lots.

Also read Atkinson's books on Healing… he has two of them but they are both pretty much the same so pick whichever one you want.

There was a huge and very detailed guide btw on old /fringe/ that doesn't exist anymore but the site detailed every single method that exists for decalcifying. I have never found anything like it again since – it listed I am pretty sure every single substance you could use and left nothing out, even the very little known methods and substances.

I wish someone would find it again and post it. I think the site had a pro-drugs thing going on too which isn't that great but still it was truly the most comprehensive guide on the subject.