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>>33153

Note:' this is also related to the goal of The Arcane Formulas book, void meditation is pretty similar to it, and also so called "Transcendental Meditation (TM)" is pretty much just void meditation.

In The Arcane Formulas you are to strip away everything that is not you until you can not remove anything more, resting in pure awareness and will, at the end of it.

>>33150

No they are different things. Q-MM is just shutting up the mental dialogues in your mind and thoughtform spam. Void involves shutting off all of your physical senses altogether so you don't see, feel, hear, smell, etc. anything around you and your awareness is just in a void.

>Sage because you're still typing up the next post.

Are you remote viewing me?

>>34175

Hi, i have a little question about this one. Do i have to draw the image at the canvas line-by-line or can i just put them there like a sticker?

Is this thread dead? It was a nice thread.

>>35537

Oh shit. I've been doing this unintentionally for years. In order to test how afraid I am of the dark, I would always imagine shadowy beasts lunging and charging at me and I've done this for the past 5 years or so. Over time, it's gotten more and more severe.

Tell me, how do I stop doing this?

>>36973

Create a guardian/hero/basketball player that protects you and visualize it creating waves. I had it much worse as a kid, with myopia, a very vivid imagination and a mind that made difficult to distinguish dreams from reality, paralysis and that gave form to anything five meters away from me as a monster. I kind of miss those experiences on bed now, they were fun. Also, grow up and learn that those are exciting as something different from the mundane everyday shit, not scary

>>36973

Damn, same. I imagine those little demons, those monsters. It's scary but it's worthwhile.

OP, thanks for all the meditations! Do you have any other ones? I'm making a list of all of them just in case something happens to this thread.

Hi OP, include the neat Book Meditation in here too to this thread too please :D https://freedomboard.kirara.ca/fringe/res/5708.html#q15176

>>37033

Save the thread for me on archive.today.

>>37049

I wrote that myself long ago.

I've had an issue during meditation where I try to be aware of my breathing like mentioned in a few mindfullness meditations I've read, but it forces me to manually breathe. Does anyone have any tricks to stop this reflex?

>>33148

It just occurred to me that I don't actually know how to do QMM. This whole time, I've just been doing one-pointed meditation, focusing on the inner sensation of one particular point in my abdomen, observing how my breathing affects that point.

I'll be giving QMM another go some time. Supposedly I just try not to think? Seems simple enough.

>>38218

I've been practising Gurdjieff's self-observation techniques and I think the key to success here is to develop a more passive personality. That is, in every waking second, don't judge (unless you're doing some kind of work). Just allow your mind to react to the external stimuli in the world around you and observe those reactions. By continuously honing your ability to self-observe as you engage in activities (I've recently gotten to a level where I can self-observe whilst writing and typing) that eventually, you really can self-observe your own breathing without interference. I think these things just take time until you basically hardwire them into yourself, thus becoming "second nature".

I have a pretty good selection of Theravada Buddhist / Zen meditation resources here → 4x13.net/misc/buddhism

I'm grateful for this thread, OP.

Thank you.

Cool fucking thread this is why I love /fringe/

bump

I added a link to this thread in here: /fringe/faq.html

>>33510

I've experienced this the past 2 days. It was really strange, prior to 2 days ago I've ever experienced anything like it.

And it happened by accident. I was really relaxed and half asleep, practically meditating while laying in bed. My whole body felt really heavy to the point where it took a lot of effort to just raise my arm. It would fall back immediately after I relaxed it a bit.

IDK if it was sleep paralysis but I read that people would hallucinate spooki ghosts or monsters holding them down, but I saw nothing abnormal at all.

I saw strange colorful shapes and patterns when I closed my eyes too, dunno what the fuck was going on.

http://www.shivashakti.com/vijnan.htm

Step it up.

Are there any preliminary reading or techniques you should know before attempting any of these?

>>43899

Stilling the body, ie. asana.

Bump for the great info

I deeply appreciate it

>>44163

Initiates got a lot of shit to do besides post techniques on boards to teach neophytes.

>>45479

Elliot Hulse discussing and demonstrating Step I. He is a big fan and student of Willheim Reich. He does a good job of explaining the concepts of bioenergny in simple, easy-to-understand language in many of his videos.

>>38218

How about you do some relaxation exercises/stretching prior to meditation (especially something which targets the stomach and diaphragm)?

Any relaxation meditation ?

Any non conventional and fun way to induce astram travel ?

>>46670

what

>>46687

Well your machine sounds like a shitty dream inducer thing.

If you can't astral travel by yourself you are just dependant off a couple of coils and magnets…kids these days

>>46873

Fun isn't addiction in my way of seeing things.

Also, this question is in the meditation thread for some reason, maybe anon is just looking for unconventional &Fun meditations ?

>>46876

Hey, I heard the breatharians in a certain thread aren't dependents on air, food or water.

>inb4 it's b8 & shit

I know

My point being if you don't have your machine with you at a key moment where you just really wished to AP, well you are fucked. Done.

Going to tell you guys a pretty basic meditation routine I do.

I have been using this one for years and have upgraded it with my own visualizations and such to have deeper focus within the meditation, which you can do yourself once you get used to it.

>1. Sit in comfortable position where you have your back straight and your legs in a comfortable position ( I usually do the Burmese Stance when meditating because my legs fall asleep easily.)

>2. Begin by closing your eyes and breathing normally for about 1 to 2 minutes.

>3. After your body begins to calm down from doing whatever it was doing before this, start breathing in through your nose (Hold 3 secs) them breath out through your mouth (Hold for 3 secs) this is a very important step to attaining the Trance state. (The more you do this, the more your body will adapt to this state and you will feel your body naturally enter this trance)

4 . After you are done doing trance breathing, you will notice how heavy your body is and how your are in a void of darkness. This is good, the next step is to count 0 to 100 in a very slow and steady pace. Remember, it is not a race. With this you can reach the state of gnosiss very easily. This whole step is very basic, a more advanced technique would be to visualize each number with your mind will counting up instead of just saying them in your head. This also helps with later steps with visualization.

5. if you did all the steps correctly you should now be in a very blissful state where you do not feel your body and you are only conscious in your mind. At this point you can either stay in the void and enjoy it OR you can visualize yourself in different scenarios.

6. Visualizing is very fun, I usually almost always end up in a huge forest with great landscape that I explore. This skill takes practice to get to, but once you do get to the point of visualizing there is no limit to what you cant do.

That's all I have pretty much, you can also customize these steps however it fits your needs. If it doesn't work the first time don't worry, it took me a week to actually get me to step 5 ahaha.

>>50291

Thanks for this. I am new to fringe and this actually worked for me.

>>50291

Really good one thanks!

Do you have to sit or can you lie down during meditation? Also do you need to open/balance all the chakras first to awaken the kundalini? And if so then how do you do it?

Which of these meditations is recommended for psychokinesis, specially biokinesis?

>>53642

>biokinesis

interested in this too. all i've read up on it though seems to point at desire meditation

>>53826

agree, also earth meditation seems to also work for biokinesis

Any others OP?

I heard there is a way to use meditation to change neural oscillations, is it true, is there any literature on the subject?

>>55679

Can somebody please respond?

>>55864

>>55679

I'm not aware of any specific meditations for that but I can't see why impregnating your nervous system with energy imprinted with the task of changing neural oscillations or/and autosuggestion wouldn't work for that task.

Can you tell us what you want to do exactly with them? I can't say I'm an expert on the subject but I'd certainly like to know more.

>>55880

Found the article I found this in.

>Experimental evidence of the existence of a fourth state of unified, transcendental consciousness, which lies in the yoga nidra state at the transition between sensory and sleep consciousness, was first recorded at the Menninger Foundation in Kansas, United States in 1971.[6] Under the direction of Dr. Elmer Green, researchers used an electroencephalograph to record the brainwave activity of an Indian yogi, Swami Rama, while he progressively relaxed his entire physical, mental and emotional structure through the practice of yoga nidra. What they recorded was a revelation to the scientific community.[citation needed] The swami demonstrated the capacity to enter the various states of consciousness at will, as evidenced by remarkable changes in the electrical activity of his brain. Upon relaxing himself in the laboratory, he first entered the yoga nidra state, producing 70% alpha wave discharge for a predetermined 5 minute period, simply by imagining an empty blue sky with occasional drifting clouds.[citation needed]

>Next, Swami Rama entered a state of dreaming sleep which was accompanied by slower theta waves for 75% of the subsequent 5 minute test period.[citation needed] This state, which he later described as being "noisy and unpleasant", was attained by "stilling the conscious mind and bringing forth the subconscious". In this state he had the internal experience of desires, ambitions, memories and past images in archetypal form rising sequentially from the subconscious and unconscious with a rush, each archetype occupying his whole awareness.[citation needed]

>Finally, the swami entered the state of (usually unconscious) deep sleep, as verified by the emergence of the characteristic pattern of slow rhythm delta waves. However, he remained perfectly aware throughout the entire experimental period.[citation needed] He later recalled the various events which had occurred in the laboratory during the experiment, including all the questions that one of the scientists had asked him during the period of deep delta wave sleep, while his body lay snoring quietly.[citation needed]

>Such remarkable mastery over the fluctuating patterns of consciousness had not previously been demonstrated under strict laboratory conditions.[citation needed] The capacity to remain consciously aware while producing delta waves and experiencing deep sleep is one of the indications of the third state (prajna) out of the total of four states of consciousness described in the Mandukya Upanishad.[citation needed] This is the ultimate state of yoga nidra in which there are no dreams, but only the deep sleep state with retained consciousness/awareness. The result is a single, semi-enlightened state of consciousness and a perfectly integrated and relaxed personality.

I would like to believe all of this but it was only one study, and you would think this would be a more important to the scientific community.

There should be more meditations here seriously.

>>59858

You can add some you know? :^)

What about image meditation? I've heard that the philosopher's stone is really an idea center, and that by meditating on the image of a tetrahedron star or a prism you can access it. I have only tried this once, and something in my head began to rapidly spin…

Starting with meditation for the first time and I'm having trouble. My mind is so loud and filled with songs, images stuck in my head, and random thoughts popping in. Any help in banishing this? Music in my head especially is the hardest to remove.

I try focusing on the constant ringing when thungs are silent, but very low I can hear a tune playing in my head.

>>63048

>Get a mantra

>Replace song with mantra/autosuggeston

>Mantra dies naturally

>COntinue your concentration.

Just go with it, there is no easy way to do this, doing it over and over again for hours a day is the only way you are going to make any progress in meditation. It's not just a skill, it's literaly a matter of life and death.

>>63056

Best post in this thread.

>>61857

Osho? does he have meditation for getting 12 cars, and having sex with my followers wives?

>>63056

>Spontaneous Combustion

This shit has always freaked me out, specially because when i was 15, i tried to do some stuff i've read online, and i actually felt a very hot sensation in the stomach, accompanied with the smell of burnt meat.

is there better information online about spontaneous combustion?

>>63179

>Doesn't everyone breathe through both nostrils at the same time unless one or both are blocked?

Try it, monitor your breath every hour or so, you'll see that you don't always and rarely breathe from both nose strils at the same time and at the same intensity. Breathing from both equally and without forcing (includes physical excercise) means that the energy circulation is equilibrated and flows through the central channel, It goes a lot deeper then that and in the domain of the science of breath, where you can find this information, I'd recomend Kundalini Tantra, which not only will talk about the essentials of the theory of the science of breath, but also will give you some knowledge about the kundalini awakening and post kundalini rising process, which is extremely useful for the next step. For more in depth breath science, I can't really guide you since I learned it all on "the field", via "divine intuition" and through various sources that mentions some scraps that cleared some small misconceptions I had. I hear WWA has a book on the science of breath though, I haven't read it , but I think it's in the fringe essentials, so it might be worth something. Science of Breath is only the theory for pranayama which is the practical discipline that clears and purifies the energy blockages, Kriya Yoga has IMO, the best pranayama practices you could find.

>>63189

Nope, not that I know of, most people who had a spontaneous combustion are dead on the spot and only ashes and their clothes can be found. Some survived and for some it was a controlled phenomenon but in either case, those are realy "secretive" and isolated eastern yogi's.

Spontaneous combustion, like many things, always arises from an impure energy body, purifing it before trying any of these advanced meditations is paramount. Again, Kriya Pranayama, is one of the most effective and fastest way to purify it.

>>63189

Well first, stop being scared of it and perpetuating it with your mind. It also helps not to drink alcohol or smoke as many people were coincidentally found to have been involved with those things during the time of their combustion. But over all, it's like the rarest shit to ever happen to someone, no worries.

>>63179

It seems like it, but hold your hands up to your nostrils and breathe out. Keep moving your hands out as the air jets hit them.

I actually had to move one of my hands closer to feel air hitting it!

>>63215

Yes it transmutes lower base energies with the help of the dan tiens as a support and the navel as an "impregnator of purpose".

It also releases the kundalini from the base chakra and offers a means to control the most powerful energy a human has. This can then be redirected to any purpose, ranging from practical low magick to siddhis, developing the energy body, enlightenment, mahasamahdi/controlled reincarnation, immortality and anything in between, which means everything.

>''"I once asked another yogi friend what he was meditating upon.

He replied, "On the inner heat yoga."

"Well then, you must be able to levitate," I said.

"I haven't dedicated myself to the meditation for doing that; but if I were to do so, no doubt I could," he replied. In fact, it was well known that he had achieved the power of levitation and flight.

Although I did not test the validity of their claims, meditating on the inner heat yogas definitely does bring about such experiences and abilities. For example, the yogi Milarepa was seen levitating through the air on numerous occasions."''

This principle of awakening the kundalini, controling it, impregnating it and directing it is a complete Yoga in of itself, there is a whole tradition attached to this technique (The Six Yoga's of Naropa) and they all are based and use this "simple" practice.

>>63404

>>63491

Yeah, it's the real deal :D

Glad that made your serpent rise and that you had the grace to go through it while keeping your sanity!

Go slow on yourself, changes are going to happen fast, too quickly for annyone to handle, it teaches the Self to not cling ot the ego much as this one becomes ever changing and evolves in a moldable form like clay.

Going through it with an open and peaceful attitude, seeking harmony and improvement is the best service you could do to yourself.

Have fun with the rest of the adventure, it's only the beginning!

>>63404

Khru, Khan.

Can one of you please direct me to Khan's "Yin Cycle tech"? And prerequisite reading?

Also some advise on a problem, I have been trying to meditate on opening my Third Eye.

1: How do you even know when you achieve Gnosis and opening your third Eye?

2: I Can block out all interruptions but when I try to visualize something it is always shaky, moving around, unstable. This problem has been a major halt in my studies what should I do?

>>65131

Mantak Chia book on microcosmic orbit. (I didn't read it so I probably don't have a great one, but with that much energy rushing through one simply has to imagine and the energy goes) khans qi-gong thread was where I learned the yin cycle concept and it has the book pdf downloadable.

>>63056

So this meditation can help achieve levitation, psychokinesis or biokinesis , apart of earth meditation/desire meditation

>>63056

So this meditation can help achieve levitation, psychokinesis or biokinesis , apart of earth meditation/desire meditation?

>>65540

Yeah, but it can also kill you.

If you are asking this question, you probably don't have enough knowledge to see why it can do such things, I'd suggest you don't do it and read the warning/disclaimer again.

I just wanted to post my pain in this thread.

I've been practicing Q-M meditation for 40 minutes every day for the past 3 months.

I've gotten nowhere, I just can't concetrate, I think I was able to clear my mind of thoughts for a minute or so back in November but that was it.

For 40 minutes every day I am drowing in a sea of thoughts.

I think my tight neck muscles and belly muscles have to do something with it, maybe if I relax them I'll be able to concetrate.

>>65608

I'm in a similar boat.

I think in my case it might be because it's too bright and noisy in my room, but I don't live alone, so there's basically no way for me to have a dark and quiet place to meditate.

Whenever I try to do a Quiet Mind meditation, I basically just end up lying down until I either get bored and get up because I can't "concentrate", or I experience something similar to falling asleep. I'll suddenly "wake up" with little recollection of what I was just thinking about.

It's usually somewhat refreshing, at least.

>>65712

Great way to ensure binding yourself to this plane and creating more karma.

>>65712

>focus all your love for families and friends, all your pride over achievements, all that which makes you feel that you were a great man and did a difference

I have literally none of these.

I live to read books and that's all I really do or care about.

>>65728

Good karma is better than bad karma of course, but superior is still no karma at all as you can consciously choose your next life or choose to not reincarnate at all if all of your karmas from all millions of previous births have been burned up, which btw isn't as simple as

>having so little will and desire to keep going that your energies disperse and you cease to reincarnate

Good karma, love for family, friends, pride over your little achievements (pride especially empowers your earthly ego) create bondage which binds you further to the physical. If you get caught up in maya then you cannot see the illusion of reality for what it is.

>Enjoy roaming limbo like a leech.

Funny how you make presumptions not knowing anything about me. I didn't quite understood that remark about magic wizard ghost too.

>believing in karma

Kill yourselves new age garbage

>>65742

>believes in reincarnation

>calls me a garbage for believing in karma

kek

The idea of karma is older by at least 3 thousands years than new age movement so I don't really get it why you make the mistake by relating these two things together.

>>65744

Glad it's not me then else I'd be triggered and could call you a garbage :^)

>>65742

Also, I didn't mention this but karma is basically the law of causality. Every cause has it's effect. I think that only complete idiot wouldn't believe that. You don't quite understand what are you talking about now do you?

>>65749

>>65748

It's like second Smiley. Or a failing hard loosh-farmer.

>>65743

>>65747

>implying reincarnation is real

>implying karma = law of causality

>>65758

I didn't imply that it is, I simply stated it.

>>65720

Wasn't powerful?

It awakened my kundalini for the first time so it was for me.

>>65748

>>65749

Agreed, though I don't know that remorse is necessary (but it is a useful tool to obtain humility)

>>66003

I was talking about the one I had in mind.

Hyperventilating and directing large amounts of chi to overpower chakras.

Maybe I felt this was stronger because I've been using it to power up root and direct everything from there.

>>68000

>CTRL+F René Descartes, Plato and 50 other random philosophers

>no results

>Worthless thread is worthless.

>>68000

Literally who? Some armchair guy?

>>55902

I've read that before, and tried several times to do the same. I've entered a conscious rest twice now, but I haven't been able to hold it long yet. Felt very refreshed the next day both times.

I can't remember where I got this meditation, but I believe it is something along the lines of "forgiveness of the monad". Searching online has given me no result

As the name implies, it's for forgiving yourself. I have been able to use this technique while I was a mundane, or at least having only done light visualization and energy work.

>sit in standard yoga position and face east

>feel double helix going through up line of back/head

>feel one side of helix as pulling down and the other as pulling up

>feel immense gold light burst from heart and fill your body as you sprout massive wings

>when energy dies down, imagine locking your chakras with the ones opposite of them on the body in a circle (crown w/ root, third eye w/ sacral, throat w/ stomach, and heart alone)

Please reply if you have any information on this, thanks.

I'm a newfig to this kind of stuff.

Is it safe, what are the risks regarding possession?

>>71793

Yes, I believe I found it while I was looking at sexual ankhing, but it also may be related to the 5 Tibetan rites, I cannot remember.

The only part that concerns me is the facing east, as I find that usually it is only western occultism that requires specific things like that.

>>63056

I did this multiple times over the span of a few days and nothing happened.

Fucking roleplayers.

>>73903

>jumped ahead to the hardest and riskiest meditation

i'm pretty sure you would have killed yourself

>>73903

Implying you can feel or move energy

Implying you would call us names and call BS if you could

>>71792

If anyone tried this I would like to know what you thought of it.

>>73904

I'm still alive aren't I m8.

>>73907

>'dude don't do this super powerful meditation you're gonna set yourself on fire you can't handle it bro consider yourself warned'

>nothing happens

>'nah dude it only works if you can move energy around bro'

>>63048

Let the come and go naturally, control is going backwards.

>>74280

You clearly didn't do it right if nothing happened.

>>68957

Can you give some relevant literature that helped you?

>>74404

Can anybody help me with this?

>>74404

What do you need books for?

>Lay down (or sit comfortably, I prefer to meditate while lying down)

>Focus on breathing (or focus on about anything you want)

>Clear your mind of any intruding thoughts

>Let your body go to sleep while retaining your consciousness

You may experience lucid dreams and astral projection as a side effect if you can't focus on the object of meditation properly.

Although if you prefer reading to actual practice Osho's Vigyan Bhairav Tantra may show you many different ways to meditate and focus.