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I'll have to disagree with you on your view about their level then. I understand they mostly talk about it just for the sake of talking, but this walking is circles seems to be what people who have not yet found the beginning of the path need, it is of course up to them if they'll decide to walk it.
>I don't get this feeling at all.
I used to so I understand why people quote them. When you first listen to things such as "The Mind precedes all things" it makes you feel that somehow all your bullshit is justified. Despite the "mundane" interpretations of it the claim itself is not at all wrong.
>Understanding is incomplete when you aren't able to use your understanding. Intellectually understanding something versus the full realization of a power is very different. You can theorize all you want about maya but if you can't bend reality like it really is malleable to your mind then you haven't come to embody the truth you only grasp intellectually.
So you've just described one of the conditions for Satori, there is no Satori without that. And they often emphasize that point. There's obviously a difference between mere intellectualism and understanding. That is why I recommend them for beginners, the more accessible language might be of help to actually produce an understanding, and not just search for the history and language of eastern disciplines as if the point was knowledge of the words and terms used by such disciplines.
Having said all that I would like to give you an illustrative example of why I think our opinions differ. I have been for some time now a musician. Most musicians start by listening to bad music. Even when they do reach a certain level of mastery in music and are no longer interested in the music they used to listen to, they often keep a feeling of gratitude for the music that have set them up to walk their path.