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A lot of /fringe/ is pleb tier in its Gnosticism (muh Demiurge is to blame for everything).

Try reading The Thunder, Perfect Mind

I think the core ideas might be somewhat true; I have added (?) to ideas I personally am unsure of but which might be true;

>attaining true understanding through gnosis, enlightened knowledge

>us having fallen from a higher state of existence to our current lower world

>the existence of a demiurgic figure (?)

>the "struggle" between light and darkness/positive and negative

>Christ as 'savior' who wished to give the chance of gnosis for mankind (?) or end the archonic control over the world (Montalk) (?)

>the existence of "archons"/aliens/demonic entities

Still, one does not become Gnostic by reading gnostic literature. By synchroncity, dream experiences, deep contemplation and states of higher consciousness - this is how one attains gnosis.

Christian Gnosticism we now have with its ultra-asceticism, hate towards the (possible) demiurge, focus on scripture, etc. . . that is not Gnosticisim. The Christian gnostics tapped to higher realms, though some contacted the negative half of it, some misinterpreted what they saw or couldn't put it in coherent structure of words. There might be some truths in the scriptures though, but one has to find them and place them in the right context.

I HATE the association that gnosticism has with Christianity. Gnosticism is supposed to be almost like Shamanism, it's supposed to be personal, it's supposed to be like the guys on Gnostic NYC Radio have described it. I try to promote gnosticism that is divorced from Christian motives but it's hard work and people don't want to respect the individual path of gnosis and just want to give weight to the religious dogma.

>>43868

It really is quite upsetting how tied to Christianity Gnosticism seems to be when it predates it and actually seems to have had roots as the ancient religion for each race but presented in different forms. From what I've been learning over the past few days it could be quite possible that all these seperate Gnostic nations would still fight amongst each other, at which point the Romans and Greeks decided to form a new, international brotherhood of Gnosticism to bring everyone under a united banner of "peace". Thus, 2 great armies of time set out to conquer the world with Christianity! Burning any "heretic" texts on the way, or any information that was too powerful thrown into the backrooms of the Vatican.

All religions stem from gnostic roots, which stems from shamanism as another poster said.

It'd be nice if Smiley removed the "Christian" beside "Gnostic", it's basically as if saying "Cult (Anti-cult)".

>>43978

>It'd be nice if Smiley removed the "Christian" beside "Gnostic", it's basically as if saying "Cult (Anti-cult)".

I've been thinking of doing it myself, I put it into the Christian category and regretted it right away, because Gnosticism is something greater than what Christianity is.

Any Westerner that denies the emotional effectiveness and cultural relevance of Christianity is still a child/edgy teen

When I think of Gnosticism, I think of John Lash.

Then I think of how I don't like half the shit he says…

"Archon" is misused, but this is archontic technology you use.

>>43981

No one ever claimed that there isn't an emotional effectiveness and culture relevance of Christianity.

For the former I say, any religion has an "emotional effectiveness", yes the West knows how to abuse the human psychology to get results and emotions out quick fast, how do you think the West is heading for a "Cultural Victory" after all? One of the ways it controls the masses is through this very form. That's not to say that all the modern methods of mind slavery were around back when Christianity was invented, but a fair amount was, and with 2 great armies and Emperor's stashes of gold you can get anything accomplished that you would like. They killed the pagans, who themselves had "emotional effectiveness" coupled with something called reality and instead enslaved the world in this new Christian type thought. May I ask you, in these "Christian" countries with such "emotional effectiveness" is there actually any benefit to the Earth itself? Surely, it is the Western countries and Societies that are more material than the Eastern and it is the East who takes the burden of the factories etc which then further harms the planet and thus our objective reality? This "emotional effectiveness" does give some spirituality, but it is all enslaved back to what you have been taught and not what you have to teach yourself and thus the worlds exterior mirrors more and more the interior of the human psyche, a psyche which developed from and has been nurtured by Christianity. As a final point, how can you debate the emotional effectiveness of those mystical traditions and religions whose books were burned, masters were martyred and no culture remains? Emotional effectiveness.

For the latter part I ask you, would you recommend I wear shackles on if my family were once slaves? I did not choose for 2,000 years ago my mundane ancestors to be part of such a rule, it was the rulers on top who chose this and our families had to agree with it and bow into it or face the sword, whip, flame what have you. If you honestly want respect for that which was forced on to us, damaged the planet and made way for newer forms of slavery AND moved us into a modern time where the mass is disconnected from the truth and higher realms by means of mass ignorance then could you explain why you would be such a fan of Christianity?

Not to mention how edited the books have been over time, how many scriptures removed, how the Vatican itself holds so many secrets like how it'd kill those it held debts to by labelling them heretics, how the current most read version of the bible (NIV) is being distributed and was created by Zondervan, the same publishers of the Satanic Bible… list goes on and on.

>>43995

What kind of Gnostic gives a fuck about the material world anyway? Man is a corrupt animal, harmony with the Earth would require mass strife until a sort of equilibrium is met, it isn't a choice humans are capable of making on their own and when it is to come it will come about only through intense suffering. The West has simply had more success in abstracting away the details of physical reality from our day-to-day lives than the East, the East would be every bit as rapacious as the West has been were it given the opportunity.

The emotional effectiveness of Christianity (and other Abrahamic religions) is in recognition of the insurmountable limitations (emotional, mental, physical) of mankind, and offers salve in a variety of forms which engage sentiments rather than reason. This does not make Christianity inferior to other religious traditions. The world is mental, and what's more, the world is Will and reason is only instrumental to it, rather than an end in itself. All that matters are impressions, and Christianity has succeeded in leaving an impression.

Throwing away a 2000 year old tradition that is inextricably tied with Western heritage for some undead/reconstructed Hermeticism or Paganism seems like a mistake to me. Also, you could say the same about any tradition you are born into, you were never given a choice to be born, nor the conditions you would be born into.

Christianity is an extremely rich tradition from which to draw culturally relevant imagery and myth from, stripping Christianity from Gnosticism or Hermeticism does more harm than good, but I guess someone raised on the internet is used to tattered, a la carte belief systems.

>>44126

Not him; I don't need a religion at all. I don't give a shit if every holy text the world over is burned now and all the teachers killed. It won't affect me, for I know enough already and have access to akashic libraries, and I was reincarnated with a lot of things working favorably towards my development and ascent in this lifetime. I can recreate religion all on my own if necessary for this world.

>>44147

Your strength, though respectable and evidence of a strong will, is not in its origin different from that which is available to any other man. Half or more of it is deception and suggestion, and I see through it.

>>43870

Also, Valentinianism seems like a mature branch of Gnosticism to read into, see: http://gnosis.org/library/valentinus/Valentinian_Monism.htm

Much less bugurt about the Demiurge.

>>44126

>What kind of Gnostic gives a fuck about the material world anyway?

A good one.

>>44334

I know there are various Gnostic texts, but is there a compiled Gnostic Bible?

What books of the traditional Bible are accepted?

The reason I ask is because gnosis.org has a section for daily meditation, and they quote from the Old Testament (Isaiah specifically).

What do you fellow gnostics say about Plotinus treatise "Against the Gnostics"?

http://thriceholy.net/Texts/Plotinus5.html

>>44903

There are the books of Nag Hammadi Library.

>>44906

I know, I was asking if there are traditional books of the Bible included for the Gnostic, like Isaiah.

>>44910

Seconding this.

Is any part of the Bible important to living/ascending/"the true word of God?"

or is the whole thing written by jews to be a control system and prophecy/master plan for taking over the world?

on that note, is jesus really coming back?

is jesus the son of god?

or is he just 1 guy who got enlightened like the Buddha and then a religion was established of followers/people trying to be like him

also does Satan real or is it just a metaphor for ego?

>>44984

"For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive." 1 Corinthians 15:22 NIV

The old testament I've heard described as being Iodobaoth (sp?), his creation. An imperfect world filled with suffering made by an imperfect God.

I imagine a red-letter bible would be important to see what are the word for word quotes of Jesus

>>44984

There is evil beyond your reckoning in this world. Only when Satan rapes you with a point stick do you understand what is evil is.

>>45008

>is evil is

Goddamn I'm stoned.

>>44910

>>44984

also, if any of the Bible is legit,

What english translation has not been altered/purposely mistranslated?

>>43877

>Gnostic NYC Radio

Aren't they affiliated with Samael Aun Weor's teachings? He was not anti-Jesus and wrote a lot about Christ and the Bible and Christian Gnostic texts like the Pistis Sophia as well as other things like Kundalini, Kabbalah, astrology, Aztec teachings, Norse teachings, etc. These things are not opposed to one another or mutually exclusive.