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>>51969

of course, you need "magical development" and training, because in this plane its very hard and energy is scarce.

Have you thought:what if you could do magic effortlessly?

Have you thought that in this plane your magic is limited and corrupted by material world around you?

O based Eris poster will I be lead astray by dividing my time between spiritual pursuits and the physical pursuits of defying the Jew?

>>51974

Follow up question Eris poster should I just say fuck it and fade out of all the bullshit of this world?

>>51971

>is it for the refinement and purification of human race?

Its wrong and you know it, all souls who get into material planes get corrupted. The select few who can purify themself can easily be corrupted back into mundane ways of this world. The human race on the whole is degenerating and consuming the last resources of this world. The material plane saps all energy and turns souls into mundane monkey's drivers focused on survival and sex. There is no good reason or divine wisdom for continued existence of material planes they are only a source of corruption(and feeding energy for negative entities of course). A giant soul farm.A matrix of control.

>>51976

>Its wrong and you know it

no I don't, but whatever you say is true is probably THE ONE TRUTH and there is no other truth then it.

>all souls who get into material planes get corrupted.

why?okay so…?

>The select few who can purify themself can easily be corrupted back into mundane ways of this world.

and..?

>The human race on the whole is degenerating and consuming the last resources of this world. The material plane saps all energy and turns souls into mundane monkey's drivers focused on survival and sex. There is no good reason or divine wisdom for continued existence of material planes they are only a source of corruption(and feeding energy for negative entities of course). A giant soul farm.A matrix of control.

Here allow me to quote a good passage that I always refer to

''If it seems as though you are nothing more than an inconsequential meat robot, at the mercy of a cold, uncaring universe,where everything goes wrong and everyone is an

arsehole, that’s because you act like you are nothing more than an inconsequential meat robot, at the mercy of a cold, uncaring

universe, where everything goes wrong and everyone is an arsehole. No outside agency is going to help you; no one will change your experience for you. If you live in a shitty universe, it’s up to you to change it for yourself.Magick is first and foremost about taking responsibility for your existence.Belief shifting doesn’t stop with altering personality traits; the aim of the game is enlightenment. The fact that you can make yourself a well-adjusted happy individual in the process is just one more piece of evidence that the world is truly a wonderful place. So apart from actively working on your personality traits or general outlook on life, adopt as many magical models as possible and act on them.As soon as a significant result manifests, move on to another belief system and repeat.''

Surrounded by the various and sometimes bizarre creatures of nature, I received a message. It said: "You and the earth are one".

But since you're hard-headed and way too emotionally invested into this thread I don't think you would care to look at the situation from another model.

>>51977

>You will eventually reincarnate here.

care to give me a PERSONAL EXPERIENCE of this happening to you, before claiming it will happen to someone?

>This is not a soultion,only a temporary escape.

That's like your opinion. man.

>>51982

>>all souls who get into material planes get corrupted.

>why?okay so…?

Imagine yourself as a child born. What does the child learn? The need for food, the the need for safety. The scarcity of material belongings, greed.The existence of violence, lack of trust, eventual death and pain.The worlds limited resources and existence of money. The unfair and random events that could ruin your life.

The world filled with people you wou'll never understand or even meet, while people who meet you manipulating and controlling you to fullfill their desires, people who hate you and people who depend on you.

When you develop lust because of your body wanting to reproduce, the insatisfaction with sexual desires, your view is dictated by hormones and physical body.The soul takes a back seat. World is always unsatosfactory and filled with suffering.

The obligations and family ties which drive to become another family unit, perpetuatiing misery on your offspring and future generations.

And in the end you'll find this all perfectly normal existence..because this is all you knew.

>>51982

> The fact that you can make yourself a well-adjusted happy individual in the process is just one more piece of evidence that the world is truly a wonderful place

Truly deluded. The world isn't a wonderful place, this is an illusion of external appearance. The magician is a mere anomaly in the matrix, and is not immune to it's effects,A "well-adjusted happy individual" who knows the secrets of the world is keeping a mask of sanity and veil of magical thinking("belief shifting") to shield himself from the matrix. Essentialy dreaming yourself out of hell. Very few can maintain the regime and it takes the character level of a Buddha to stay sane between the worlds. Not to mention your existence at such a level is always threatened by astral parasites, predators and spirits who can drain/corrupt/manipulate you for all the energy you have. A world of constant struggle, discipline and temptation, and this is somehow "wonderful"?

>>51989

>This is a subjective question by saying

>what is wrong and what is right?what is good and what is evil?

>we are here as a people who try to transcendence duality and one of the most important duality to jump over is

>humor/serious

>which you clearly stuck on one side

>allow me to unrustle your jimmies 4 u

Do you enjoy the suffering of the world? is it right that death. decay and disease nibble away at your soul at any moment? Is it right that ignorance dominates the world?

Does your "transcendence of duality" make you right or wrong? If there is no wrong, duality isn't wrong view.

By your logic being inside duality is not wrong and all evil and suffering is okay "because it builds character"( another excuse for soul draining corruption of a world).

If those believing in duality are wrong, and you're right, congratulations you invented another duality.

You don't see that duality is reality of material existence?

When all material planes destroyed there is no suffering, no pain, no decay, no corruption. You goal of "transcendence of duality" is a personal delusion which won't help you when it ends, when you face the evil and suffering first hand, when you will feel wrong, see wrong and hear wrong. Ignorance doesn't save or shield. It dulls and robs you of awareness, making yourself pawn of forces who control the matrix.

>>51995

okay.

whatever man, you will filter and twist whatever I say anyway.

>>51989

>perpetuatiing misery

I thought we perpetuate ideas and stuff?

No, you perpetuate the material existence by allowing children to be born which allows host for souls, which are drawn into the misery of the world, getting bound and corrupted in the matrix of control.

Just to consider, the death of human race, wouldn't save the souls from corruption of material planes as long as there are living beings and material planes where it could reincarnate.

Our existence, "life and death" is the collective of decaying and corrupted souls in a material plane. The Life which perpetuate its just misery, decay and corruption of limited material existence.

You yourself protect, birth and nourish the future existence of this state and cling to it until the decay overpowers you in death. The corruption binds with you into lower astral, where your meterial habits and addictions drain you of energy and perpeatuate the misery and replicate material desires, a corrupted echo of physical worlds you left and cling to. Drawn to this physical existence like moths to a flame, you get reborn in it and "the cycle of life" begins again.

Do you like perpetuating the samsaric loops of life and death?

>>52002

>Do you like perpetuating the samsaric loops of life and death?

>Yes.

>>51968

This is how you program your body's cells to product cancer / degenerate

As above so bellow - anything you desire onto the universe is done onto your body.

>upper planes filled with energy and harmony

You have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

>material planes are destroyed

if you're in any kind of plane, once you have the faculty to perceive which defines depth which defines singularization of matter into constructs… you are in a material physical plane, as it simply defines depth. Even when you take dMT or massive shrooms or do crazy rituals… you still SEE or FEEL or SENSE something… that's tactility, which is female, feminine, the matter, mother, matrix. Pattern is paternal, fatherly, masculine, shapes, molds.

>>52007

This is how you program your body's cells to product cancer / degenerate

As above so bellow - anything you desire onto the universe is done onto your body.

the universe doesn't revolve around material planes. I don't wish harm on the rest of the universe, i want the universe's cancer healed, the material planes excised and destroyed.

>rest of nonsense

Drugs are not enlightment, its working on your brain and operate by material laws. Once the drugs wear off, welcome to material world. Your soul is still bound with the body and you can't change the world by huffing DMT.

The corrupted expirience you remember is product of your brain, not what you expirienced originally and not its ultimate reality. A monkey on DMT can't grasp the universe.

>>52017

>niggah cant even do drugs properly

>implying that you can interact with the physical realm without your body producing a chemical reaction

>learn to psychonaut

Real is relative

>This world is not "corrupt" so to speak,

You're blind to the corruption of the world/

>and the physical plane will never stop existing.

Its will. What was created can be destroyed.

>It is a tool, a school of thought. We all(mostly) chose to come here on our own free will to learn something new.

"material planes as school" delusion.

Souls can be safely and effectively schooled(the idea of reeducation and control is of this matrix) in controlled dream scenarios. You don't remember any lessons from previous life? Do you think the school is effective with 99% of population? Such a poor school isn't it?

More like a prison of mind? Do you feel okay for suffering to "build chacracter" ? You don't oppose evil?

Why would you want yourself to suffer decades of "character building" and get corrupted into material life forever? Why would anyone on their own free will choose a form of hell for themself? I don't think billions of souls volutarily chose spiritually shallow existence revolving around survival and sex within a crippled hellworld. Its obviously not a sane decision.

> To learn about being human.

being human is one of the lowest tiers of existence.

>Were not STARVED of energy. We in fact have a shitton at our command. Its just so condensed and slow

Excuses, why do you have to sleep? Why you need food to exist? Why you feel hunger and thirst?

>vibrating that it takes WAY more willpower to create than it does in higher realms.

So you admit your will is limited and lack even capacitiy to use energy? Wonderful world isn't?

>>52018

Why you think external drugs are required?

because your material body is limited,corrupted and

needs a drug to expirience it?

And when the monkey gets its tool it can't even describe in its limited monkey mind what it expirienced, but its okay: other monkeys wouldn't understand anyway.

Another piece of evidence of this wonderful world isn't?

>>52020

You're just a fag who can't suck astral dick correctly. Your human fallacies cause you to believe that because you experience stagnation and discomfort here it must not exist in other realms.

It exists in other realms.

Also, I dont actually NEED to sleep or eat. I figured that out a while ago. I just actually like sleeping and eating. I like the world of the physical.

And my will is not limited. The energy of this realm was created to be more dense on purpose. In higher realms it is more free flowing and easier to control. Here its SUPPOSED to be a challenge so you learn what really matters to you.

Honestly, I don't feel the need to even type anymore as you're just gonna shill your way out of it with more HURR DURR LETS DESTROY WHERE WE LIVE comments. Theyre useless and it just shows the rest of us how far you haven't moved since you stepped foot in reality.

You're here, your delusions are caused by your ego and your desire to be FREE and POWERFUL. You probably came here to take a swift foot up the ass and learn that life ain't all about you. Get that through your thick skull first, then post.

>>52022

>did I say drugs are required?

>so much faggot in this response my god

>uses word monkey

>hasnt transcended monkey genetics

>some form of monkey magician perhaps?

>go trip on some drugs and get back to me

>>52025

Bahahahahaha xD

>>52020

>You're just a fag who can't suck astral dick correctly. Your human fallacies cause you to believe that because you experience stagnation and discomfort here it must not exist in other realms.

>It exists in other realms.

A discomfort of dying of cancer painfully compared with discomfort of a slight breeze created by passing butterfly. However the gap is even greater, there is no harm in stagnation in upper planes and the existence is not revolving around survival or limited resources. Its far more refined and less corrupted. The quality of life is trillions of times greater and discomfort is trillions of times less.

>Also, I dont actually NEED to sleep or eat. I figured that out a while ago. I just actually like sleeping and eating. I like the world of the physical.

You are deluded, try not drinking and eating anything for month and you'll die from starvation and dehydration. Liking the corrupted, limited existence of this hellworld and claiming enlightenment at same breath, wonderful isn't it? Do you not even require air to exist? How many days you didn't breathe?

>And my will is not limited. The energy of this realm was created to be more dense on purpose. In higher realms it is more free flowing and easier to control. Here its SUPPOSED to be a challenge so you learn what really matters to you.

Oh its challenges for billions of souls, so the default condition in this world is misery and lack of energy,

And the purpose to starve others of energy isn't benign, its built into world foundations: all material existence is without satisfaction, limited, corrupt and filled with suffering. You delusions of grander will will not override it, since you have no power to control the world being a simple monkey in the cogs of the matrix.

>Honestly, I don't feel the need to even type anymore as you're just gonna shill your way out of it with more HURR DURR LETS DESTROY WHERE WE LIVE comments. Theyre useless and it just shows the rest of us how far you haven't moved since you stepped foot in reality.

We originally lived in upper realms of reality, not this place and our souls will be released from suffering of this world forever, preventing others from reincarnating here and removing corruption from the universe. Clinging to material monkey existence, like the obedient pawn of the demiurge, is as far from enlightenment as possible: you're only few steps away from death and sensual desires will never satisfy you anyway.

>You're here, your delusions are caused by your ego and your desire to be FREE and POWERFUL. You probably came here to take a swift foot up the ass and learn that life ain't all about you. Get that through your thick skull first, then post.

Maybe if you haven't been listening, i want to make everyone FREE and POWERFUL by releasing our souls from this corrupt plane of existence and prevent future suffering and decay. Such egoistic, deluded thought isn't it?

>>52029

>fucked up awakening process

>niggah literally thinks he knows how to save everyone

Can I call you White Jesus?

>>52030

>niggah literally thinks he knows how to save everyone

Our existence here is beyond saving. I want it to be destroyed forever, all material planes gone and severed from the universe. All i ask i simple cooperation, so that we coudl create a strong psi-signal which will break through the matrix of material planes and reach the entities who have the power to destroy the material planes.

The process could be painful,incomfortable and destructive, but it would need to be happen only once.

Its like distress signal, a psychic beacon to the universe.

We have the energy to create it and broadcast it daily, this isn't a complex ritual or magical process, a simple repetetive thought pattern, which can be maintained by anyone.

And i don't claim the entities involved are benign/good/evil, i just claim they exist and listen sometimes.

Even if you think its all a tulpa/egregore generation, this acitivity will eventually catch their focus and they'll consider our request. I won't stop broadcasting it until the material planes are destroyed, so eventually they'll do it. I just like to accelerate it with more people.

>>52032

Your actions are futile.

>>52033

>Your actions are futile.

I have only started it yesterday. Don't worry about the futility, its actually the only thing you can do to "change the world for better" as personal development won't help everyone else( Craving positions of power and comfort within the matrix). All the magic and enlightment is such a rare sight, just because of oppression of everyday matrix control. Its the most anti-matrix thing you could do in your life, provided you can't destroy the planes from within.

>>52036

Why not try to reprogram the system? Smiley had an idea a good while ago to reprogram Demiurge with love thoughtforms.

Anyways, you won't succeed on your endeavors.

>>52038

>implying you aren't your own demiurge

>>52039

My own? Sure I am. The whole Material Plane? Nope.

>>52034

>>52032

>If you honestly think the people on this planet who have been asking for destruction of the physical plane havent received their prayer and that you know the magical secret.

>Go home, seriously. You don't even know what youre talking about.

>You just said you wanted everyone to be free and powerful, then you claim our existence is beyond saving. You have no idea the words you even speak and yet you still open your mouth.

The claim that existence in material planes are beyond saving and that we will be free and powerful in upper realms of reality, don't contradict each other.

>Im seriously recommending you go out and indulge in your physical ego a little bit. You seem to have nothing to latch onto in this life. With nothing to ground yourself upon you're just going to fizzle out, and find yourself right back here, hating it, trying to escape.

>Here, have some tips niggah. Drew it myself a couple days ago.

latching into another circuit of the matrix? Why?

The samsaric existence is temporary and these desires can't be fully satisfied.I bring my energy towards the ultimate cause, the destruction of material planes, liberating the matrix from within. Its not about hating life, i have no desire to fight the world, i'm not wanting to kill everyone, i find material existence disgusting to the extreme, i'm tired fo existing physically. Its on a much deeper level, when we discover all material existence is unsatisfactory, corrupted and limited by design, we could suicide and leave everyone here or bring the end of the world. This is the ultimate end of the world scenario which would stop the entire chain of samsaric existence, the filth, corruption and decay of the world brought to its final moment. I live for this moment.

So, why bother with the simple pleasures of the matrix when you have the (potential) power to end all suffering?

>>52038

Demiurge doesn't care about its food, the matrix is built to extract our energies to feed its demons and archons.

The world is filled with parasites and predators from the etheric-material planes. The whole system is built to exploit us as food. Its like a cow trying to convince its master to not slaughter it by being cute.

>This thread

OP:Guise I haz super master plan for beating le demiugre, hear me out.

*OP start to fall in dogmatic thinking*

SigmaShaman:I will save you

*Sigma hold unto OP*

OP:Guise, I AM SUPER SRS

*OP is trapped in a clam under the sea of B.S. and rigid belief-system*

*song start*

SHOO BEE DOO SHUB SHUB BEE DOO

Sounds like something of this sort is already described in Buddhism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_cosmology#Sa.E1.B9.83vartakalpa

The Saṃvartakalpa begins when beings cease to be born in Naraka. This cessation of birth then proceeds in reverse order up the vertical cosmology, i.e., pretas then cease to be born, then animals, then humans, and so on up to the realms of the deities.

When these worlds as far as the Brahmaloka are devoid of inhabitants, a great fire consumes the entire physical structure of the world. It burns all the worlds below the Ābhāsvara worlds. When they are destroyed, the Saṃvartasthāyikalpa begins.

>>52017

and the way you're contributing to the uplifting of the condition overall is?

>thinks people are knocking off his bullshit for him and him only, how arrogant.

we're checking you down because some neophytes may view your bullshit and out of edgelord residue programming decided to yolo something that get's them something they really could of just avoided and overcome much better with more knowledge.

>I suggest you listen to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNTfrLXGHkI

>>52051

You can't uplift material bodies without them ceasing to exist. All material existence is corrupted and filled with suffering. The moments of respite don't balance out the negative parts.

Imagine a bowl of water. You want to purify it, but there is poisonous rain everywhere.

You're attached to the bowl of water as its your property and always want to purify it, shiled from the rain, in the hope that one day you could drink it , but it always gets poisoned by the raindrops.

The desire to drink from the bowl is so strong you don't consider to spill it and walk way, its against your way of life, and the precious bowl is too important to give up. You sit the and cling to it wishing the rain would go away or trying to ignore the rain and drink it anyway. This is material existence.

>>52055

you're redundant, just say everything eventually decays.

you forget to factor in WILL.

go read more and watch the video.

https://sites.google.com/site/growintoflow/home/dr-jewel-pookrum

According to Dr. Pookrum, nothing in our world has the power to make us weak, sad or diseased if we adopt the proper attitude, diet and commitment to wellness.

Oh its easy to disprove, can magical thinking stop a bullet? Can it heal the fatal wounds? prevent death? I don't think so, all you can do is lessen the suffering with mental gymanstics. It still exists.

In the future Dr. Pookrum will slowly decay and die, she wouldn't be able to live forever or be immune to disease.

Her will of enforcing the view of "you create your own reality" does not help anyone, its a form of spiritual escapism.A denial of reality.

>>52069

Maybe you're just too much of a newb to figure out how to ascend properly?

Yeah, seems about right. This thread is pretty dead anyways. Just a bunch of people telling you how stupid you're being, and then you continue being stupid. It's like arguing with a christian. You can't checkmate someone who's king isn't even on the playing field :P

Go ahead, flip the chessboard, see what happens. We'll just build another one and continue playing the physical game. ;D

>>52055

>making the mistake of thinking material =/= spiritual.

Everything perceivable is perceived via light.

photons irritating your cones and rods.

Even out of body you have a body.

i suggest you read the manga Qualia the Purple.

>>52098

Do you claim spirit cannot exist without material body?

If yes, its not a a spirit, but inherent component of the body.

if not, its separate from a material.

>>52096

You're literally retarded, you know that? Your being exists throughout all dimensions, and this is like a collective dream. You would have to stop everyone from dreaming or role playing and convince them to all exist in the higher realms together.

You're leaning towards the path of the demon. You don't care what others think, you simply try and force your will upon the world around you because "hey fuck it I'm right and I know better than you". And you perceive yourself as an angel trying to liberate other souls. We chose to be here.

Also, this threads reeks, the energy around your posts is honestly nauseating. So I'm not even gonna bother responding in this thread anymorw. Have fun surrounding yourself with plague and death. There's plenty of spiritual hobos around my city that did the same thing you're doing. Now they walk around in hatred of the world trying to steal energy from other beings because they have nothing else to do. You're gonna be that loosh leech who coughs while smoking a cigarette as people walk by. Congrats!

Sigma Out~

>>52121

Ah another "reality is a dream" excuse.

1.You can't control it

2.You can't wake up

3.Your whole existence revolves around this dream.

4.Your "dream" has other dreamers who are not figments of imaginations but similar to yourself.

5.All dream content is mostly nightmares.

6.You didn't choose to dream it, you have zero control besides suicide.

7.The dream will continue without you uninterrupted.

Do you think this is a dream?

>>52124

go watch every video in my thread

>>52121

Articulate your points with words.

>>52141

Do you see the end of timelines?

>>52143

yes you can see them but they change and mishmash together, what I learned from it is that this

The further you look into future, stuff become more and more malleable and the newbie practitioner can create a perfected version of hir and manifest in 3 years or 2 years

The world is more cyclic than a string with a start and an end, sure if the end of a timeline/world is tomorrow you can be 90% sure it is going to happen, but you can't really be sure because it isn't yet "set in stone".

>>52144

which is where the future magical daemon come into play.

>>52142

>>52141

Thank you my friend. I will try sincerely to develop the skills to do this, I have a tremendous imagination and I often find myself catching glances in my third eye of beautiful things and terrible ones as well. Sometimes natural landscapes, beautiful women, and fragrant smells, others malformed faces, disgusting odors and horrid thoughts. I see what you are saying about differentiating between my thoughts and other outside ones.

I'll include my email for you and show you my current alias as my name, I post around /pol/ and related project boards when an alias is needed. I'm a neophyte still struggling with the pull of mundane things (oh gods lust is hard to manage) but everyday I am more sure of my path. I have been to the astral twice and it is beautiful but I must develop a stronger recognition and body because it is very er choppy when I am there and I seem to jump in time at moments.

I'm really glad you took the time to help me

>>52148

just sent you an email :P