/fringe/ - Fringe

holy fucking shit guys. spookie ฏ๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎๎ํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํํ

You have many misconceptions, you can live the simple life sure however till all suffering ends there is no end to suffering. Your logic is flawed, who this world has made you was never who you are. Of course you can decide that it is, but others have chosen to reject their forced programming and there is everything right with that.

>>58715

I agree with you. I do not believe that which I am currently is truly me because I do not believe a self can be found because all that which you are is just the memories of the past. (Physically through DNA and Psychologically your past)

However I do not deny the "self" I have become in this life why do you and most hee strive to become something? Why must one search and obtains. I remember a little story in the past which I would like to convey.

- There was once a master and his student, the student asks, "Teach me how to meditate?" and the master gets into his meditative position and closes his eyes and does some deep breathiing. The student then mimics him. Soon after the guru then grabs two rocks and starts to rub them together. He does this for a time and the student then questions, "Why are you doing that?" The guru replies, "to make a mirror to look at myself," the student comments, "but sir you will never will never do that." Then the guru retors, "and in the same way my friend, you can sit like that and breathe like that and you will never obtain that which you seek."

Why keep denying the self that has manifested by your environment you are fragmenting yourself further by doing so instead of embracing that which is arround you. An action of escapism.

>>58718

No you have it backwards, we are denying the self that has blocked who we really are. Our true self is hidden under the masks that have been plastered over what we have always been. It's an illusion, this planet has been covered with illusions and so what manifests as our "self" follows through. By accepting and conforming to our conditioned false reality, that is an act of escapism. To allow the world to control you, your future, your ideals, your freedom, that is the ultimate act of escapism. It shows nothing but your fear of the absolute objective truth of all that is. You see, what we are really seeking is not evolution, but objective truth. Which in turn is our next step to evolution. Everything that is above our existence here on this lonely planet is devoid of illusion, as all beings of a higher nature can see truth in all before them, including themselves. Those below us have been consumed by illusion and therefore exist for destruction. This is what the universe is, creation and destruction. The ultimate form of creation being the origin of all, and the ultimate form of destruction being that which consumes into nothing. A black hole.

You misunderstand what the guru says. Read it very carefully.

>>58722

What I desire is not to find the "self" but I wish for we, as a species, to no longer conflict. I think the issues involve this concept of "I." If there is this "I" there will always be conflict becuase the I contains many dualities: that which is and isn't, me and them, was and becoming. You see what I am trying to convey? The act of people believeing there is an true "I" and them attemptng to seek it leads to this conflict within them that rejects the part you very impelled to call an delusion/illusion and that so called true "I' at the end of this path of "enlightenment." The more you try to struggle the more you are creating conflict within yourself.

I feel that we have all become silly trying to walk their own path to "enlightenment." I rather respect the erisians on this board, they seemed to realize the silliness of all this when they are not busy doing their own silly practices.

I apologize. I did not intend this to be a silly arguing between philosophies and ideas.

>>58724

I haven't experienced any conflict, nor have I heard of anyone else experiencing conflict. The only way to end suffering is to end illusion, simple as that. No one here is looking for enlightenment. I think it is you perhaps who is really having conflict. What compels you to make these ridiculous claims? What makes you think your idea is sensible or valid? Maybe it works for you, but you see from your own single minded perception. We seek to see above all perceptions. This isn't about "I" everyone is everything. The "I" is all things. You want suffering to end? Do something about it, the only reason there is suffering is because it's been allowed to happen. I'm still amazed how anyone has yet to question why in a world where no one wants conflict in any of the lands, there always seems to be conflict anyway. Reason is because no one is trying to stop it, it's all a orchestra. God ahead and do nothing with yourself, let yourself accept whatever you want. You will only help solidify the passive slavery state of humanity. Be in mind, majority of the common people don't practice self awareness to any degree. Your concepts are already in practice by the millions.

>>58725

Hmm. You make fair points. You seem to be able to think well and have determination to follow your "path." I respect that. I am fortunate that I was able to speak with someone in a peaceful manner. I will head out now. Take care.