No.6626
Surely you are aware of the more physical side of the arcane. I'm of course talking about forbidden or secret technology.
In mundane schools we learn things like the first computers were made in the 20th century or that the ancients were incapable of flight.
With a little bit of research one can find that these claims are false and that the ancient world is full of technology which simply doesn't seem to fit the time frame. For instance, check out this ancient computer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanismOr how about a more recent case of technology that is from the future (a guy who used levitation technology and the site dedicated to unveiling the mistery):
http://leedskalnin.com/I believe that it is worthwhile and necessary for any aspiring wizard to become fluent in technology, especially in the critical thinking involved with technology. Technology can make one question if going to sleep at night (thus losing
conciousness) is like being mindswapped into a device, or ask "If my brain is transplanted into another person, am I me, or am I that person?", or even "if I create a sentient being via programming, will it have a soul, and if not, why do I have a soul despite literally being programmed by dna?".
Take the tech-pill /fringe/, transhumanism is the final step in becoming a wizard.
No.6627
This will not go well.
No.6631
>>6626>I believe that it is worthwhile and necessary for any aspiring wizard to become fluent in technologyNo not really. Technology is more of a thing to tackle when one has already completed the great work (or at least made serious progress in it) and can now process and channel fuckloads of information to make high technology themselves.
>going to sleep at night (thus losingconciousness)
This never ever happens to me. I retain consciousness at all times. Even when knocked out, I just end up out of body. Maybe you are an organic portal?
>"If my brain is transplanted into another person, am I me, or am I that person?I'm not even this body or brain I occupy right now.
>"if I create a sentient being via programming, will it have a soul, and if not, why do I have a soul despite literally being programmed by dna?".The soul (as defined by montalk) is detectable and etheric in nature. The spirit is completely immaterial though and you can't give it to something else without the help of god.
>Take the tech-pill /fringe/, transhumanism is the final step in becoming a wizard.Transhumanism is the means to destroying ourselves once and for all while falling for the lies of materialism. Occultism it the true means to ascension.
No.6641
>>6631Basically this
/thread
No.6643
If you take out the last 3 paragraphs of OP's post this would be a good thread.
Anyone aware of the nuclear war in India stuff?
No.6644
>>6631>>6641Please explain in detail why transhumanism is a bad thing.
No.6646
>>6644It limits the true potential of men by emphasizing even more strongly the mechanical nature … and killing them, making the vessel unfit for habitation by spirit, without anyone realizing they are being killed off.
No.6647
>>6646Transhumanism is literally "transcending humanism". I fail to see how it would kill. The human body is, in essence, a machine made from bio-organic material, a container for consciousness that allows interaction to a degree between the metaphysical mind and the material universe. I can think of absolutely no reason why you could not do the same with a purely inorganic machine-body, and it would potentially be vastly superior to our current flesh-and-blood bodies.
No.6656
>>6647Have you studied some occult? Are you aware that the physical body is shaped by thought and past lives experience? It's not just a machine constructed by DNA. That would be like saying a house is constructed by the brick manifacturers.
Also the physical body is connected to the astral body by energy channels which you cannot replicate with material technology. If you were to transplant a human brain in a machine body, it would be like putting a piece of flesh inside a tin can. It would be like placing a broken TV or radio receiver into a piece of metal capable of moving around.
There is more to man than meets the eye.
No.6657
>>6656>Have you studied some occult? Are you aware that the physical body is shaped by thought and past lives experience? It's not just a machine constructed by DNA. That would be like saying a house is constructed by the brick manifacturers.No, it's like saying that the blueprint tells the house builders where everything goes, what materials to use, and how to make it, and that after it's built the person/persons living in the house remodel, repair, renovate, and adjust it over time to their own preferences. Which is exactly what happens with the body.
>Also the physical body is connected to the astral body by energy channels which you cannot replicate with material technology. If you were to transplant a human brain in a machine body, it would be like putting a piece of flesh inside a tin can. It would be like placing a broken TV or radio receiver into a piece of metal capable of moving around.What, exactly, is it that you think cannot be replicated by inorganic machinery and technology? I daresay if you had the technological ability to perfectly replicate every single individual cell and bit of the human body with inorganic machinery, it would function in exactly the same way.
>There is more to man than meets the eye.Agreed, but I am of the opinion that any and all abilities the human body is capable of can be replicated with 'material technology', as you call it, and then some.
No.6658
>>6656Forgot to say that I've studied a little of the occult, but not a lot, I'm afraid. I'm nowhere near being an expert on such matters.
No.6660
I've been wondering this as well OP
What I'm most interested in is trapping the essence of man in an event of a destruction of his body and transferring him to a premade body creates by reality manipulation rather than grown from stem cells.
Obviously after some development all accidents can be avoided but the concept is interesting in itself.
No.6670
Considering that lots of information is transmitted through electromagnetic waves which the human also receives through his fine body and the nervous system, it would be really tough to replicate that in a machine.
I don't want to imagine how many wires it would take to copy the extensive nervous system of the human body.
Further, the human body consists of cells which contain more functions and information than a similarly sized piece of metal will ever do.
In the future, humanity might be even better off with biological technology than with this robotic wet dreams.
No.6672
>>6670You do realise the physical shit isn't even necessary. Just program your new computer brain with algorithms that replicate the
sensation, and you're good to go.
No.6675
>>6672>You do realise the physical shit isn't even necessary. What, you don't want to interact with the physical world?
What's the use of a better sturdy body then?
No.6679
>>6675I didn't say anything about not wanting to interact. I'm just saying that an inorganic mechanical body has upsides to it and is practical. You're in a computer now, and a computer can survive and exist in places your old biological body couldn't. Now you can literally strap an ion engine onto yourself and fly off into the universe, seeing things never before seen through your new full-EM spectrum eyes, listening to sounds you never could have heard before, for eons, if you have the right equipment. Who
wouldn't want something like that?
But if for some reason all you care about is replicating your old inferior senses, then sure, you could simulate the sensory process virtually. Or you could exist entirely in virtual space and build worlds for yourself. Hell I don't know, I just want to go out into space.
No.6681
>>6679I didn't mention the nervous system for shits and giggles. You won't have a nervous system in a machine and thus lose a lot of information input, especially /fringe/-related stuff. Electromagnetic waves are the shit man.
>full-EM spectrum eyesGood look finding the right filter to make sense of the data.
No.6683
The march of technology makes our subjective ideas objective reality and our objective reality a reflection of our subjective thoughts. The age of mortal man is coming to an end and the age of gods and heroes will be ushered in through technology because this is the God most of humanity is willing to accept.
I get the issues people have with it, the people that will point toward lucid dreaming and astral projecting as our ability to shape reality by sheer will, but understand that technology brings the esoteric into existence independent of belief or practice, which has pros and cons but I don't ultimately believe makes it wrong.
No.6684
>transhumanism
No.6685
>be op, want a discussion about fringe technology in general, not just transhumanism
>everyone in thread only talks about transhumanism
No.6692
>>6681You act like I won't have options with this technology that's custom tailored to me. Everything can be simplified into an electrical signal, and that's easy enough to replicate and process.
No.6693
>>6647Are you aware that Greys are basically the end-product of transhumanism? Do you really want to be a grey?
No.6701
Embedding error.
>>6679>being trapped in the realm of the demiurge for eonsNo thanks, I'm not a Hylic like you.
No.6706
>>6683>implying it won't just be rich jews that get this technology while the rest of us are simply exterminated No.6709
>transhumanism is the final step in becoming a wizard.
No because:
Our bodies are more powerful than any machine: we can create through the Word.
We are not afraid of death as we know it doesn't exist; in fact it is life in a body that is death while life without a body is real life.
To know that you just need to astral travel.
But you prefer cowering from your fear of losing your body and your mind and building sandcastles in a delusional technological survival.
No.6711
>>6683>The age of mortal man is coming to an end and the age of gods and heroes will be ushered in through technologyOld serpent tune. Never happens. It's just lies. And if it worked it would be a terrible alienation.
>because this is the God most of humanity is willing to accept.Lol no. Only sick degenerates dream of transhu vampirism.
No.6712
>>6683> technology brings the esoteric into existence You got it contrarywise. Our consciousness creates tech and much more. Tech doesnt create anything of value. It is a crutch at best, a crazy necrotic dream as you're pushing at worst.
We can create through the Word. We could fashion the universe through our united conscious if we communed. This is the purpose of our universal level of association know as humankind. We are the universe gaining intelligent agency and conscious. If we associated like atoms do, there is nothing we couldnt do. That is our current work, and the universe's.
Go be a robot in some other, duller reality, coward.
No.6714
>>6693Yup. That's what you gain for being a faggot: you lose the ability to reproduce. That is what the Greys are. They fucked so much with their DNA that they lost IT.
No.6715
>>6706Worse: turned into hopeless slaves trough gen-eng.
No.6716
>>6685We would have got that probably if you left out the last 3 paragraphs in your opening text.
No.6717
>>6693>ayy lmaoBut seriously, greys are infinitely better than us humans, so being one would be awesome.
No.6725
>>6717Greys are:
1. Remotely controlled hyperdimensional vessels used as proxies by negative forces.
2. Scary demonic beings and not fun at fucking all.
You seriously need to have an encounter with them to realize how horrible they are.
No.6726
>>6725So you have met them? I am not the quoted, but I have experienced soul-abduction once, but I haven't met any aliens face-to-face.
No.6738
>>6644Why on earth are you so dim that you can't see the dichotomy between sprucing up the meat prison and escaping it?
No.6742
>>6712Did you miss the part where it wasn't existence, but existence independent of belief or practice? That's a big difference.
We are already fashioning the universe through our united conscious, what do you think a nation is? Could we be more loving, more organized and more connected? Of course we could.
Yeah, technology is alienating, but all you anti-tech people are talking about this on the fucking internet. I mean, honestly, half the people talking about Hermetics today only heard of it thanks to technology and the internet. These are just tools to manifest will. This IS us associating on higher levels of consciousness. Not even figuratively, literally we are perceiving and creating more information than has ever happened prior.
There are obvious dangers with transhumanism or advanced AI. I'm not a proponent of just creating these technologies haphazardly, and with the latter think that a true living computer would have to be able to be programmed to experience empathy and that this would need to be a higher priority than even the sort of rational thought machines typically excel at.
I don't understand what just because you accept idealism over materialism technology somehow becomes bad. These things are created in our mind, and yeah, if you astral project or lucid dream you can bend reality without them, but these are literally consciously chosen arrangements of matter and energy for an expressed purpose.
No.6743
>>6712Did you miss the part where it wasn't existence, but existence independent of belief or practice? That's a big difference.
We are already fashioning the universe through our united conscious, what do you think a nation is? Could we be more loving, more organized and more connected? Of course we could.
Yeah, technology is alienating, but all you anti-tech people are talking about this on the fucking internet. I mean, honestly, half the people talking about Hermetics today only heard of it thanks to technology and the internet. These are just tools to manifest will. This IS us associating on higher levels of consciousness. Not even figuratively, literally we are perceiving and creating more information than has ever happened prior.
There are obvious dangers with transhumanism or advanced AI. I'm not a proponent of just creating these technologies haphazardly, and with the latter think that a true living computer would have to be able to be programmed to experience empathy and that this would need to be a higher priority than even the sort of rational thought machines typically excel at.
I don't understand what just because you accept idealism over materialism technology somehow becomes bad. These things are created in our mind, and yeah, if you astral project or lucid dream you can bend reality without them, but these are literally consciously chosen arrangements of matter and energy for an expressed purpose.
No.6771
I feel that if you transferred yourself into a mechanical body, it would emotionally disconnect you from your new body. In my opinion there is a bond between the body, the mind, and the soul that cannot be artificially replicated.
I think that the shock from having an entirely new body/brain/mind would terrify you and be spiritually painful beyond comprehension.
No.6792
>>6725How do I get abducted? Is there some way of contacting them and volunteering?
No.6799
>>6771Not if you hate your current body, like I do. I would do anything to escape this rotting meat puppet.
No.6804
>>6792I've understood that they love to come for those who are afraid of them, as they're easy preys to milk loosh from, but I don't know any methods, sorry.
I don't know why they came for me. I just woke up in the middle of night and I felt my consciousness escaping my body. I was quite confused and sleepy, so I dozed off. I haven't felt anything negative after that, so I don't know what they did to me - if anything.
No.6805
>>6804Also, try reading Montalk here;
http://montalk.net/alien No.6806
>>6693You're still thinking biological, but that wouldn't be too bad either, I suppose. First pic related.
>>6701>implying trapped>implying the material can't be used to transcend even the physical 3+1D plane of existence>>6706That's a real enough issue, which is why it's important that as many people push for this as possible. The more eyes and hands on the development of transhuman tech, the less chance it remains in the hands of a select few.
>>6712>go be a robotWhy are unimaginative people such as yourself always assuming we'll just be "boring old robots". Hell, why are you so hostile toward the inorganic mechanicals? Also,
>crazy necrotic dream>implying Necron>>6738Why are you so unambitious that you refuse to embark on the road that is conquering the material plane and whatever demiurge / matrix controller / whatever runs it, and bending both to your will,
using the material itself to do so?>>6771That's a possibility, but like with anything else, if you ease into it, it shouldn't be a problem.
>>6799Dubs of truth.
No.6840
>>6743Well said, I hope this sort of thing comes about in our lifetime
No.6875
>>6626>Levitation technology>secretahahahahahaha. Oh fuck. Dude, this tech has been around for a while. One small company has even made a fucking hoverboard they're trying to get funding for to make a consumer product
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/2014/10/20/california-startup-built-real-hoverboard/ No.6883
>>6875>maglevhow are you guys on fringe but have never heard of electrogravity
No.11158
What is the anti-transhumanist's reaction to be when the technology for blending man and technology starts being rolled out?
Do you expect war between factions?
And if so, how would non-enhanced folks manage to be a threat to cyborgs and things?
>>6807I for one look foward to being an grumpy ancient robot egyptian.
No.11161
Why the fuck would you even need cyborgs?
It would be more than sufficient to genetically modify humans to a tolerable level.
No.11163
>>11158>implying we couldn't use thoughtforms to get far superior results than what they'd be doing with machines>>11161>implying we can't modify genes through spiritual/occult means No.11164
Come to think of it though a transhumanist - occult war would be great for the conscious development of the species as a whole. The resulting clusterfuck would kill off all the stagnant mundanes and only the very best occult powered humans and cyborgs would be left in a battle of developing higher consciousness.
No.11205
>>11163>implying magic is easyI can't even properly meditate with a quiet mind yet.
No.11219
>>6644I would be crucified if I stated this in our place, but as much as they like to believe we are ethereal and are in the aether, they are wrong. We can harness the power of the aether and use it to do our biding, but we cannot do so without our organs. Our organs are the receptors or antennae for this energy and if we remove them we remove our source of energy.
Becoming transhuman through technology would mean becoming less than human, just a machine. One that cannot harness the aether; one that no longer has the ability to use his will.
I am an old /illuminati/ contributor and I'd like to show you the wrongs of your path. This board is losing ground, only you can stop it. For many of us have outgrown forums and take our work elsewhere.
No.11232
>>11163>implying we couldn't use thoughtforms to get far superior results than what they'd be doing with machinesWhy not do so now, instead of waiting and risk having to play catch-up with cyborg supermen?
>>11219> but we cannot do so without our organsHow many organs?
Obviously removing stuff like limbs, spleen and reproductive systems are viable enough now.
How much has to be removed before you noticably lose reception?
No.11255
>>11232The thing to keep in mind is that no organ is vestibular. We do not fully understand their functions yet.
No.11266
>>11255As in like how organ transplants change people?
No.11267
No.11268
>>11232
>Obviously removing stuff like limbs, spleen and reproductive systems are viable enough now. How much has to be removed before you noticably lose reception?I think every part has its purpose. The body's energy flows everywhere in it, so I don't think you could remove stuff without repercussions.
It's balanced as it is, no need to replace parts like we were some sort of machine that became obsolete.
No.11280
>>11163>implying we can't modify genes through spiritual/occult meanspls tell moar
No.11289
>>11280Read the shit in
The Holographic Universe book about hypnosis having cured a man with a genetic disease.
No.11297
>>11289There are lots of stories. We need instructions though. :/
No.11301
>>11297Oh I'm still working on curing myself. At present what's holding me back is I need more loosh and need to attain my full operational efficiency again. Once I have that I will be able to do some incredible things again, until then I can just post and do some really basic shit with the current available supply I have. I suspect it will still take me at least one more week at the minimum to get to 80%+ operational efficiency.
When I'm at 100% btw I can do amazing shit like telekinesis and other more extraordinary things but it's really hard to stay at that level long without something fucking me up and setting me back.
No.11332
>>11219But becoming transhuman will untap higher access to the aether. Imagine being able to think a tool, then being able to telepathically send it to a 3D printer.
Who is to say we won't develop more efficient and powerful receptors for this aetheric energy.
You will be able to harness more will because you can have the undying firmness and drive of a machine.
Think about it the internet has come to replace ancient human dreams of an astral plane where you can come into contact with other entities without *gasp* being physically there.
If anything those stuck in biological bodies will not able to reap the benefits of a true astral plane powered by solar powered matrioshka brains.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Arthur C. Clarke
No.12549
>>6670>cells have more function and info than a piece of metal of similar sizeWe are getting closer to making that untrue.
Necrons anyone?
No.12561
>>11332Not that such technology would not be amazing, becoming "transhuman" does not require only material. Transcendence is immaterial. The irony is that transhumanists (materialists with a boner for scifi) call themselves transhuman when they succumb to the greatest human folly of all. Give a materialist all the material in the world and he will still not be satisfied. Give them the immortality and means of a god and he will still be spiritually shallow.
No.12563
>>11332>muh 3D printersJust a retarded word for a thing that assembles plastic shit for you that probably destroys your health and which costs you a fuckload of money to produce.
No.12564
>>11332*tips fedora*
You've clearly never experienced the astral planes and don't realize that it looks and feel far more vivid than is possible even with 20/20 perfect vision in this world and acutely developed senses and that its power is far beyond anything a machine can ever do.
No.20169
>>11161>implying the average human could ever be tolerable. No.20172
>>11219You've got it backwards you slave of the flesh. Transhumanism means becoming MORE than human, a glorious machine.
Our natural bodies are soft, clawless, fangless, venomless things. It's time to fix what nature did wrong and turn ourselves into the most terrifying merciless killing machines in existence and conquer this universe. The stars are calling, anons. The stars are calling.
No.20178
>>20172"Transhumanism" and technology can only anchor you further to the physical plane. It's also a purely sequencial/hivemind pursuit. If you want to be a cog in the machine, an emanation of the Collective, a slave to some sort of overmind, then so be it.
But you'd have to be an underage fool who read too much sci-fi to believe that worshipping technology is compatible with any kind of spiritual pursuit.
Our meatsuits, as disgusting and dysfunctional as they may be, are the only suitable interfaces between here and there.
Your "sci-fi boner" ans another anon said will cut you from the source if you continue in this direction. From a spiritual point of view, a classic mundane life is preferable to your technological fantasies.
But that's just my opinion.
>time to fix what nature did wrong Scratch that, you should really get rid of your chuunibyou. Nature is a system, you can roll with it or rise above it. You can't "fix" it. At most you can do some sketchy customizations that will bite you in the ass eventually.
Transhumanism is becoming less than human. Becoming more than human is unlocking our latent potential and recovering our normal capabilities that are sealed because of DNA tampering and whatnot. Attaching random artificial pieces of junk to your meatsuit does make you a subhuman relying on fake gimmicks.
Wake up, anon.
No.20180
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>>20172>yfw there are wizards that can destroy any electronics with a mere thought while in trance, disabling them all>yfw EMP destroys your robot bodies tooSkynet, please. Humans biovessels are already the most advanced thing there is. There operators just need to know how to program and use them to their full extent via magickal/occult training.
No.20198
>>6626The highest, most refined technology is energy/consciousness. As long as you deal in matter, you're nowhere near what is "arcane".
No.20251
>>20180What about genetically modified humans, I mean in reality we should see a full integration of tech which is not often imagined in popular culture (because biotech is evil)
No.20266
>>20178holy fuck there is wisdom in these words.
another brother.
No.20267
>>20172LET US CONQUER THE UNIVER.. uh hang on guys i need to recharge my legs, gime a sec… any 1 got a usb adapter? yo lets go find a starbucks so i can plug in my arm too it's losing power been browsing too much shitposts.
ahem…
nig plz, ur body is made of energy not flesh, fucking retard. only reason you FEEL weak is because you havent mastered your elements to CHOOSE your density, all is liquid solid gas or plasma, all those elements combine to form YOU - consciously choose your state.
fucking dyel manlets will find any excuse to not excessive.
oh and btw heres the goofy part - i had to just mention this as i was typing this, windoes 7 bugged out again and popped up the app selection window, and the first selection of app is deus ex human revolution game i was playing a while ago.
oh my oh mu.
No.20285
>>6626This all depends on how you view consciousness. From my perspective, it's the collapse of the wave function generated by a mass of electrons in the brain. It takes a single electron about 10,000 years to collapse the wave function once without direction. Our brains do it every 25 ms (give or take 5-10 ms). If you create a "sentient being" it would have the same ability to collapse the wave function, and therefore have conscious thought.
No.20289
Radionics.
Uncle Chucky.
Psionics.
Cyber Shaman.
No.20299
>>20251Have you even read The Book of Knowledge? We can modify our own genetics through conscious rewriting of our genetic code.
No.20314
>>20289This is the proper approach to techno-greenpill.
No.20865
http://us.battle.net/overwatch/pt/heroes/zenyatta/Read about this character and remembered this thread.
No.20871
>>6626this was some fun indulgence till you said "final step"
No.20873
>>11332Or, I have no idea what I'm talking about
Aerthur C. Straight-up-busta