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Lucifer isn't referred to as "morning star", Lucifer literally means "morning star".

Also what do you mean by "gnostic illuminati"? Gnosticism isn't a religion in the way Islam or Catholicism is. It's a cosmological system, a particular view of the structure of reality and man. You can buy into that worldview and still be evil or buy into it and be good (in the conventional senses of the words good/evil). Just like believing in the laws of physics has no bearing on your moral disposition. There were gnostics like the Cathars who were well known for their scrupulously moral behavior. One can believe in the gnostic cosmological system and choose to worship or serve the demiurge. At the end of the day, that cosmological system is either true or false, but whether it's true or false has no bearing on how you choose to conduct yourself. I hope this post was clear. Not sure what you are confused about.

>>95567

the problem nonetheless stands

>>95568

I understand but in Albert Pike's writings he proclaims Lucifer as god and Manlly P. Hall regularly offers the same a soul to be at his disposal.

I don't see how they are serving the demiurge if they exalt Lucifer.

>>95569

The word Lucifer, like any word, can refer to any number of totally unrelated things. Not to mention there are competeing cosmological systems, that all call themselves gnostic yet use such words to refer to dofferent entities or conceive those entities in a different way. Don't conflate these systems just because they use similar terminology. Unfortunately, things are not that simple.

>>95571

But is Lucifer just an abstract concept or something? The Illuminati clearly implies some sort of "being" by saying "him" and calling Lucifer a god.

>>95573

There are a number of explanations given for that term. For example, some say the reference to Lucifer falling out of the heavens in the OT actually refers to the falling of a celestial body (e.g. a meteor) into our atmosphere causing a cataclysmic natural event that included worldwide floods. Others say it describes an actual entity existing on "another plane", a figure sometimes invested with "Promethean" qualities (enlightening mankind) but at other times depicted as a "tempter" and seducer. Sadly I do not know which of the many explanations is the correct one. Do not let your eagerness to answer these questions get in the way of your understanding. If you always take the first answer that appears satisfactory as being the truth your head will end up filled with many wrong notions. When one truly does not know the answer to a question it requires some degree of courage to simply admit that one doesn't know. That is also the first step on the road to knowledge. As Socrates said "I am wise because I know fhat I know nothing"―this oft repeated expression has come to be seen as something of a platitude, but it is a great and essential piece of initiatic wisdom.

Be cautious. Many posters on this board peddle answers to such questions with an air of certainty and authority―an authority which they in no way possess. Ignorance is not something to feel insecure about as long as one knows that one is ignorant.

I apologize for not having a definitive answer to your questions, but I am also on a road to knowldge. My advice to you is to read books by those who are actual authorities in their respective fileds, whether it's history, occultism, religion, spirituality, psychology, etc. Your questions on Lucifer, "Luciferism", and the "illuminati" deal with a very large subject matter which partakes of all of those fields and more.

Lucifer refers to the Kundalini, the snake. Lucifer, light and illumination.

That teaching is many times older than any version of the bible, from a time before Israel started to wander, from a time before Babylon had corrupted the tree of life, long, long ago when Gods still walked the earth and taught sorcery.

To be enlightened is to be a God among men, to worship Lucifer is to state the divinity of your soul in this realm, Luciferian Satanism, to identify with the Ego/Soul and deify it for the powers that it brings, the issue is, Soul is of the mundane realms, it is not Spirit. These are the trademarks of a black magician, power and insight, vision, clairvoyance, the ability to see and manipulate at will for your own benefit, disregarding or supressing Spirit by intentionally numbing yourself with various rituals, often involving human sacrifice.

The oldest, least diluted teachings that are still preserved and upheld are the Vedas of Hinduism.

In the Hindu teachings Shiva is Spirit, Vishnu is Soul and Brahma is matter.

In Hinduism, Vishnu is a devote of Shiva, a part of the trinity, Brahma is forbidden to worship (An example of this would be Atheist Cultists.) and Shiva is you, resting upon Vishnu, but Shiva is also the mind of all, the supreme God in which Vishnu and Brahma gestate in an eternal dance of evolution.

You will stumble upon some epic texts and lots of information veiled in what at first glance looks like childrens stories.

Look up Hinduism, you wont regret it.

You should read any and all texts and stories you can find and think about their meaning, I'm sure it will help you.

>>95593

I believe the endeavor to become like God smacks of arrogance. I'm not interested in such a thing.Ultimately though, I can't let the Bible stand on its own and reconcile a vision of a perfect god. That is to say one who has ultimate authority over every domain, not just this universe and is yet gracious. I keep thinking true humility would be not to question anything but it would amount to a disingenuous kind of faith. It seems as though a great deal of Christians have mistaken ignorance or intellectual indolence for faith. I don't want to do the same.

Demiurge isn't evil, but it's not good either.

Demiurge isn't a god or a conscious mind even, it's nothing more than the program encompassing the material universe, the OS of this universe.

>>95601

>slave religion that teaches slave mentality😂

>>95602

Bro why don't we use a virus to like fuck it's shit up.

>>95604

I don't think there is much point trying to rebel against the cosmic system. isn't the primary modality of the symbolism of the Ouroboros meant to convey how every level of experience is ultimately contained by all the others so that even when you do make it to a higher state of consciousness you are presented with a new veil?

>>95605

that's what magick is

Satan is great 666

What's wrong with war? People dying? Everyone dies. Not everyone gets to die a noble death in combat though. Not everyone gets to know himself as truly as the warrior on the battlefield confronted in a very real way with life and death. A healthy society should not talk of war as something terrible. Go read The Metaphysics of War by Julius Evola.

>>95625

Indeed, according to the Baghavad Gita death is the ultimate illusion. The Self is birthless and cannot die. Those who mourn are in ignorance. Still, the state of warfare today is highly lamentable. There are no spiritual military orders like the Templars, Teutons, SS, Hashashins, etc. All wars are wars for the profit of the (((1%))), and those who die in them little more than "sleepwalkers".

>>95625

I meant more the torment. The turmoil, confusion, deprivation, agony. If those things don't matter then top edge.

>>95628

Death is the only way to stop that torment

>>95630

But the soul is immortal. You can suffer after death. According to my eschatology its almost assured.

>>95633

what are some of the sources you are drawing upon for your perspectives?

>>95636

The bible that says I will suffer for eternity in hell or else I will live eternally in heaven. Besides I thought this was a general consensus in all spiritual systems that the soul doesn't die with the death of th physical body. Except Fedorasm

>>95566

- God is the dichotomy, good and evil and everything in between god is all things for the sake of differentiation, the purpose for which we all exist.

-Gnostics were a bunch of spiritualists who could not unshackle themselves from their materialistic chains

"earthly suffering and earthly pleasure" are one and the same and exist mutually for the same reason.

You cannot "vanquish" evil because that would be to destroy a half to a whole that can never be destroyed. At best it is a protracted cosmic game of tug-of-war which will carry on long after we're both dead.

>>95638

The idea that the soul must bare punishment for what is done in the flesh is fucking ridiculous. The material plane is like vegas, what happens here stays here. We're all the same when we're unencumbered by the meat suits we're presently attached to. We're all pieces of the god consciousness and for god to punish a piece of itself would be like stabbing your own leg for allowing it to stub your toe on something.

Utterly inane, this is why most basic bitch tier religion is highly materialistic in nature and must be taken with a grain of salt. Even though I dislike present day islam, it is highly evident that the elite of persian society acknowledged mystical truths that overlapped those discovered by other religions which were not accessible to and would be considered heretical to your low level adherent.

>>95644

I think I'm more approaching gnosticism from a Christian perspective. I don't necessarily buy into the demiurge concept or the old testament God being evil but I certainly see value and truth in other spiritual systems.

>gnostic illuminati

what does this mean

>>95678

The Illuminati is not a Gnostic organization?

>>95729

i mean i doubt that there is just one 'illuminati'

though i thought that the illuminati were atheists

>>95566

http://scarletimprint.com/books/lucifer-princeps/

You can get it cheap or pirate it in ebook format.

>>95567

Wrong.

Lucifer means "bringer" or "maker" of light. "Light-bringing". The accepted translation is "morning star", but that should've never been established as the accepted translation because it causes all manner of misconceptions.

Read the book in the post above this one.

>>95767

Lucifer itself is a translation from the Hebrew original which says "Helel". Thanks for the book recommendation.

>>95748

>the illluminati are atheists

What would give you a crazy idea like that?

>>95776

That's what Wikipedia says. Why should I trust random people over that?

>>95677

I'm definitely not saying you should trashbin anything based on a "label" alone, I don't shun gnosticism as a whole, I'm receptive to its concepts and determine which is more plausible of them based on what I understand.

That's literally all we can do as we figure out what's what, if we were meant to have all this information readily available to us without dispute, it would be.

>>95836

bohemian grove isnt even the illuminati

its just some republican molech cult

>>95601

>I believe the endeavor to become like God smacks of arrogance

Well too bad. You're human, so you're already like God. Deal with it

>>96577

By your own belief, you're full of the brown stuff.

If you are already like something, you don't attempt to become like it some more, you find all the ways you're DIFFERENT. If you write a sitcom, and it's like all other sitcoms, you want to make the sitcom different from the other sitcoms in some ways.

God is a word based on Gaudy though, as in, the demiurge shits. Lion headed worms.

By definition of "God", the ALL, you cannot interact with it. It is unconscious space, unconscious matter. The conscious ones are individuals, animals, humans, etc.

By definition of the ALL, the unconscious is space, the less unconscious is matter, and the conscious are individual identities/egos that have differentiated themselves from everything else.

God has no interface with people. It's just The Universe of Space, Matter, Physiology, and Mind. Either you're an individual, an ego, or you're dead matter/space.

>>96593

This is a falsehood.

>>96645

Yes yes matter is alive, but for all intensive purposes it is dead. I'm more attached to the 9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9^9 quantity and quality of human life over atom life. For meaningful dichotomy, space and matter is dead space and dead matter.

>>95776

The original order of the Illuminati were proto-communist and atheist.

HAHA! OPyou just figuring it out huh:?? See the old man Abraham made a deal with a demonic spirit. The demonic spirit said "I will give you EVERY material thing your heart wishes for (land, offspring, wealth, cattle, cursed enemies, blessed friends) as long as you Worship and Obey." This was something that had never existed before; the religion in Ur was dharmic, multiple gods who were not to be abjectly obeyed. So Abraham takes the pact, sacrifices his first son to this demon (in his heart even tho the demon shows mercy at the last moment) and we get the genocides and religious wars of the OT.

So Jesus Christ arrives as a corrective factor. Of course to YHWH Jesus is Lucifer and so the Jews have him Executed. But YHWH didnt realize that the power of Jesus was too great, thus the ressurection. But YHWH gets the Last Laugh by making a pact with Paul, who then spreads his own version of Christianity, Pauline Christianity, that creates an Image of Christ that falsely claims Christ is YHWH, demanding worship of Christ, and thus worship of YHWH. Not all Christians bought into this; the Gnostics especially. So there was the Council of Nicae, the Gnostics were banished, the Gnostic Gospels were burned never to be rediscovered for more than 1500 years and the Roman Empire fell under YHWH's grasp and collapsed.

However it gets even crazier.

See old child fucker Mohhamad meets with YHWH again in the desert. But YHWH has gotten smarter. See in the past he had promised material wealth in exchange for Worship. But with Christianity, he realized that people who serve him completely in exchange for a false claim for the afterlife. Also, the forced conversions of pagans by the Romans showed the power of religious warfare. So YHWH told a bunch of lies to Mohhamad, and Mohammad founds Islam, which explicitly demands full obedience, an incredible afterlife, and demands Jihad against infidels.

So thus we get to today. However, do not paint all Jews/Christians/Muslims with the same brush; some do awaken and realize the true nature of what is going on. Jews through the Kabbalah realize the truth and choose whether to fight for or against YHWH; Christians have the Gnostic amoung other options; and a very small minority of Muslims might be ok (probably less than 1% as I have not yet met any that were not mind fucked).

>>95776

The original order was proto-communist and atheist.

>>96593

you can be unique without fucking children you retard

>>95602

The demiurge is a demiurge because the demiurge could take hits rather than hit to prevent or dodge harm. The demiurge can survive anything the mortals could do to the demiurge…yet the demiurge harms to avoid suffering rather than takes hits.

This makes the demiurge someone who is not fully respectful of the situation of the mortals.

Though…the mortals are human too…which means the mortals might access the eternal life technologies. Then the operating system, prevailing humanality program, at least for new mortals, is essentially about any new, "champion" living among the mortals.

>>96645

>>96685

Nice reddit spacing. Don't spread it friviously.

>>98270

>the one who can destroy both body and soul in hell

IE to break it down this is Satan, the mark of the beast, the ego, the demiurge, all words for the same thing

>bullshit american """christianity"""

>muh revelations wasn't about the fall of rome

No hope for you people, if you can even be called that.

>>98271

Not all those things are exactly the same. I suggest you go read Montalk for clarification.

thisisallamindfucktome

>>98365

all the annunaki stuff is bullshit

zechariah stitchen just made a bunch of shit up

>>95644

>God stabbing his own leg

That's the whole point of crucifixion and Christianity. The flesh is the filter from the world into the soul. You cultivate a ghost within your meat sack. Islam, Christianity, and Buddhism all acknowledge lust of the flesh as embers that harm your spirit. Monks across all disciplines eventually take a vow of celibacy.

https://suttacentral.net/en/mn54

Buddha says that one should see sensual pleasure as either bare bones, a lump of flesh, a torch of straw, a pit of burning coal, a dream, borrowed goods, a fruit tree, a slaughter house, a stake of swords or a snake's head to understand their true nature.

Matthew 15:11 KJV

Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

This verse supports my theory that the flesh is the filter, vessel, and vassal of spirit.

I've been trying to find that picture of the sun mask with the red robe. What is it of?

>>95566

not just the bible it comes

from the latin, "lux" meaning light and "fer" coming from "ferre" to carry

>>99453

wrong.

The devil being called Lucifer is because when the book of Isaiah was translated into greek the mocking title 'Shining One, Son of the Dawn' sounds a lot like the god of the Morning Star Phosphoros. That word literally means light bringer and was translated as such into latin as Lucifer, along with the other cases of Morningstar language in the Bible. It was then made into a unique title for the devil thanks to the shoddy scholarship of Erasmus. Anyone who tries to claim this all is profound has no gnosis and is just a small-souled bugman.

>>95566

>>Gnostics say the god of the old testament is the evil demiurge

no, they don't. if you ever read the gnostic gospels they venerate Yahweh as the Father of Jesus Christ, and a force of Good for mankind, and the Demiurge is Yaldabaoth the gnostic gospels make a HUGE DIFFERENCE between the difference between these 2 entities. I used to think this too, but this meme is wrong, and intellectually dishonest towards what the gnostic gospels say, and I've gotten tired of people spreading this meme, Jesus even validates the OT as his word, and Jesus is still the God of the old testament.

>Gnostic Illuminati cause tremendous earthly suffering by abusing countless children and fomenting catastrophic wars

That's a funny way to say jews aka the Demiurge's Chosen.

>>95578

Any kind of occultism that focuses on names and forms like this is bullshit occultism. The whole fucking point of a holy book or mystery religion isn't the content, it's the essence. We could change the names and the setting around completely but the underlying principle is what eternal. A sun god will always be a sun god by any name. A divine principle will always remain the same, no matter how you cloth it. It is principles that should be gleaned and remembered not outward appearances, labels, costumes, and the likes.

I wonder if OP has even read Secret Teachings of All Ages, he keeps referring to I think Morals and Dogmas, but he should read Manly P. Hall as well.,, and stop calling Freemasons "the Illuminati".

I for one purposely avoid terms that are ambiguous and try to state instead everything I know with the most straightforward terminology as possible. This has made me deficient in imagination and I have to repair that but it has also made me able to convey what I actually mean and think with clarity.

>>95593

>To be enlightened is to be a God among men, to worship Lucifer is to state the divinity of your soul in this realm, Luciferian Satanism, to identify with the Ego/Soul and deify it for the powers that it brings, the issue is, Soul is of the mundane realms, it is not Spirit. These are the trademarks of a black magician, power and insight, vision, clairvoyance, the ability to see and manipulate at will for your own benefit, disregarding or supressing Spirit by intentionally numbing yourself with various rituals, often involving human sacrifice.

Me the numbed black magician who learned I could make anything happen as long as I formulated my intent as "and I disregard any conflicting desires or protections and accept fully the consequences of my intent". In this way I can get what I want because I align my desire in such a way that I accept the good and the bad. If I don't do this, my intent gets blocked, because there is an internal conflict in me where some other desire I'm not thinking about is conflicting with and preventing the one from manifesting.

I have suffered tremendously btw for the black magick I have done.

>>103447

>I have suffered tremendously btw for the black magick I have done.

(because I got exactly what I wanted and then just became terribly burdened by it and have had endless problems since)

>>103447

To be sovereign is to take responsibility for your actions.

>>103450

No it's not. To be sovereign is to be capable to act within a given sphere of influence. Responsibility just helps you hold your position.

>>98365

It may not just be about enki and enlil, remember anu and the other aunnunaki also interacted and influenced humanity. Goind by the myths atleast.

>>95729

I'm convinced that they're Talmudic. Some writers of the Patriot Act were "Talmudic scholars."

The "illuminati" is a Jewish-materialist organization run by the demiurge. Some of it is unofficial "membership" because people unconsciously join it. Others consciously join it, sometimes they are forced to. The "illuminati" is anti-gnostic. Why would mainstream Christianity be so prevalent that virtually every politician absolutely must be one in order to stand a chance at getting elected if the illuminati was an enemy of gnosticism?

>>103444

which works say this specifically?

>>95578

And there are some that reference a 'bringer of light' who is also a 'tempter'.. or light which comes in a way that deception is either obvious or possible. Some with explanations for this that suggest the temptation and ambiguity is part of a test of sorts where further progress/light will only be granted to he who overcomes.

>>95602

MythOS? :^) Reality is both simpler and more abstract than your understanding of it.

>>95571

>implying that most religions aren't all secretly linked together

>>95593

no no no, there's only God (GOD), the soul (living players) and the false reality (matrix, npc's).

this thread got slid really hard

>>119403

>>119684

>>119980

Guess why people don't like you.

>>120034

>Guess why shills don't like you.

fixed.

because I tell the truth and it makes your job difficult. you picked the wrong boss. maybe start working for the good guys and things will get easier eh?

>>120039

Can you stop spamming your shit everywhere? You already have a thread on mewch, if you really want to post here too, make your own thread for it, stop posting in everyone else's threads.

Are you retarded?

>>120039

The content of your infograph doesn't bother me. Most of it is dumb but there is a bit of truth mixed in.

Like >>120051 said the problem is you spamming it everywhere. Constantly shoving something in someone's face is bound to provoke resentment.

>>120077

Any infographic this cluttered is bound to be a mixture of crap and drama. This is a disgrace to memetics.

>>120051

>>120077

>>120079

I only post it in relevant threads. I don't just post it where it doesn't belong. it has to be related or I don't post it because that would be spamming. what really gets me thinking is how you keep stalking me in every single thread I ever go to even when it's not on 8chan and tell me to take my posts down and try to silence me or just call me schizophrenic over and over again as if to try and discredit me and convince others to leave before they read the image and realize what you are trying to hide from them. you will not silence the truth.

>>127364

IMG source?

mods should delete this mundie thread

>>127364

Isaiah 14:12 is a mistranslation. The Septuagint and the Vulgate both say "who rose in the morning" and not "the morning star". The exact expression in the Vulgate is "qui mane oriebaris", nothing like the "stella matutina" in both Revelation 2:28 and 22:18. Job 38:7 likewise has "astra matutina" for "morning stars". But strangely, the Septuagint just says "ὅτε ἐγενήθησαν ἄστρα" meaning "when the stars were made". So among the passages, only the ones from Revelation definitively refer to a morning star.

http://vulgate.org/ot/isaiah_14.htm

http://vulgate.org/ot/job_38.htm

http://vulgate.org/nt/epistle/revelation_2.htm

http://vulgate.org/nt/epistle/revelation_22.htm

https://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/greek-texts/septuagint/chapter.asp?book=43&page=14

https://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/greek-texts/septuagint/chapter.asp?book=25&page=38

https://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/greek-texts/new-testament/revelation/2.asp

https://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/greek-texts/new-testament/revelation/22.asp

>>118692

>Claus-→Lucas-→Lucifer

Please

As for symbols, they are meaningful only if we believe at least on a subconscious level that they are.

Otherwise they're just random simplified drawings

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>>118692

The image alludes to some interesting things, but the Jesus, Baphomet connection is suspect. The images of Jesus are saying "As above, so in your heart." The Baphomet image is saying "As above, so below."

YOU are Lucifer

>>127441

You are posting generic new age fasle information. At least TRY to study and understand before you post. There is no "Lucifer" just as there is no "satan". Both are mere titles given out to individuals or even groups and not actual beings. While some people luckily seem to understand that satan merely means adversary and anyone who is against "god" could be called satan, and in fact multiple beings are called satan even tho this is not their name at all, the word lucifer is completely twisted and abused so much that nobody even knows what is up with that word. Lucifer is mentioned like 2 times in the bible, and else nowhere at all. The first time the king of babylon is called lucifer because he turned away from god, the second time jesus is called lucifer. It's not a being and not even a name. Read the book of enoch and you will find out how the teacher of mankind are actually named, however there is one character that is not named at all and it is the very first fallen one. You can call him satan, but he is not "the satan". In fact all the fallen angels and teachers of mankind are called satans in the book of enoch alone. Those are demons, may also be called devils. But just stop with that lucifer bullshit, nobody is named like that.

It's all religious crap anyway

>all these globalist satanists on damage control

>"Uhhh Oh shit, uhh SATAN DEVIL ISN'T REAL TRUST ME.. oh uh.."

yea no. fuck you.

>>127440

It should also be noted that the image of Christ is much older than the image of Baphomet which was made in the 18th century.

>>127519

>>127519

>however there is one character that is not named at all and it is the very first fallen one. You can call him satan, but he is not "the satan".

He is Azazel.

>>95566

Become Gnostic.