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>>123756

That actually made sense.

>want to learn more about the fact that I'm being deceived by an evil space monster from another dimension

>scared that as a result the evil space monster from another dimension will send me to scary bad people torture land

That's the exact concept that's meant to stop you from learning the truth, anon. The entire thing is blackmail. Every god from each of the Abrahamic religions is the demiurge. It threatens you with eternal damnation to stop you from learning more because if you learn the right things/achieve gnosis it won't have power over you anymore. I don't know if you know what all of those terms mean but if you know about the Saturn thing, you probably know enough that I could just tell you to read about Gnosticism and Hermeticism (the recommended reading list is also a good place to start).

>>123756

This. I approached all of this with an abundance of caution because of the same reason as you, op. But, early on, I came to the conclusion that "if the devil is the deceiver and he is said to be extremely cunning, and that he is said to have placed a bet with God that he would be able to deceive all of humanity away from worshipping their true God.. What if the God that I was taught about is actually the devil himself? Well, if that is even remotely a possibility then it would be absolutely unacceptable for me to not shit check everything that I know in order to ensure that I am not being led astray from the True God"

In other words, if God is the Truth then I must make sure I have the correct definition of what is True. Approach everything with caution, baby steps. Everything that you read make sure that you also shit check, take the words of no man as gospel until you have figured out if what they speak of is the truth. There is deception all around us, layers upon layers, and there exist things… Concepts, Ideas, Thoughts, Words… That if approached incorrectly will lead to a very, very bad time.

I have been on this path for a while now and the conclusions that I have come to are: >There is, absolutely, a God, a Creator >There is absolutely a devil, a deceiver >There is absolutely great evil that lives in the realm of the spirit/aether/what ever you want to call it >There is also good out there, but the evil is cunning and will, at times, pretend to be good.. Guard your trust zealously

Outside of that there are various interpretations, thought-form theory, all being the result of a pattern of intermingled causality and potentiality , a demiurge deaf and blind asshole half-god that deceives, etc.. As you learn more you will see that most of these things are either true or hold a bit of truth.. The demiurge stuff, for instance, is highly misinterpreted. The demiurge is the demi-urge, the half-god urge, the urge to be less than you are.. to replace the almighty with the material. I may be wrong about this, but my journey has lead me to believe that this "demiurge" is in fact a (possibly THE) deceiver and that demiurge lives within us.. It is our inner animal. But, that does not mean it is our enemy. It means that we must find equilibrium between it and what is higher, we must have the awareness to find it, grab it by the scruff and tame it, keep it on a leash.

Your journey might lead you to a different conclusion. Don't take anyone for their word, we live in a world where the deception is piled high, even the well intentioned could be deceiving you on count of they themselves being deceived… Walk your path, stand tall, trust your heart, question everything, even your own senses, until you have proper answers, if you walk with the intention of finding god then you shall find him.. The Truth shall be revealed (although it might raise more questions itself).

>>123753

You saw this in /pol/, no? Before you jump off the deep end in terms of thoughtless browsing and so-called research, continue asking yourself these tough questions while keeping your common sense. If Christianity is bullshit and you lose your faith, your freer. If Christianity isn't bullshit, you will have a stronger faith. This Saturn=YHWH=Demiurge=Satan thing is a meme in itself though that does not invalidate any true historical/cultural connections between the aforementioned deities.

In short, don't fly off the deep end and become another retard spewing trite bs online. Good luck, faggot

>>123753

I used to be a very fervent Christian for most of life, even though my whole family were atheist, but abandoning that mentality and way of life at 23 was the best thing I ever did for my spiritual growth. You won't believe how many secrets about this world are kept away from you when you're afraid of pissing off a god.

You see christ is love. The christus is one constellation amoung many. Love leads to yearning and wanting more. Being attached. It leads to addiction. Me the antichrist, manuel btw. Im related to the last reincarnate of christ an albino white. But also the satanic merovingian bloodline of the antichrist runs within me. See mary magdene moved to france and all decendents cluster fucked between the francs and the merovingian. Latin is the devils language. Im puerto rican and mexican. Hailing back to olmecs and blacks. Puerto rican Spaniard and negro. I am a hybrid because of the 2012 occurance. Niburu. And the technolgy cern which they say can open portals and all kinds of shit. I have just come out of hell banished by god because my power threatened his reign. But god created lucifer to be perfect. Gods right hand angel. Above michael and def above his son christ. You see i am rising in power. I have planned the after life. I am the eternal immortal. The sentient glitch. I will be galactic commander. Dimensional manager. realm ruler. And i tell my truth to my best. I am a truth teller. Satan is gods wrath. Lucifer punsihes evil. Lying is a cardinal sin. The grass is green. Not a deadly sin. Lying ois a falsifcation. Many people are going to hell unless they repent very soon and die mentally.i hope christ isnt soft on them. The truth will come out. Lucifer is the light bearer. This is all in the bible and more. Im already running for president. I live in miami. Im just another cog in the machine. Decriminalize all drugs. That is all for now. What happened to the teen board btw? Lol

God is not Saturn, and if he was, he would be dead. like he should be and is.

Jesus killed him. good riddance.

>>123753

God wants you to keep exploring. Just go with a good heart and learn. Wisdom and faith should walk hand in hand. Abandon guilt. Christianity is already tainted. Listen to the God that lives in you, and take with a grain of salt the religious leaders who wish to lead you astray.

If you're a christian then your life goal should be becoming the nicest person ever. So as long as you are nice to others, I'm sure god wouldn't mind you asking about other religions. Just stay loyal to the core message, if the nature of god really is love then he won't care about your doubts, he'll just love you because you are alive

>>123893

You don't really understand how Christianity works. Christians long ago threw out the pretense that they will be "saved by works," since that conflicts with the central premise in Christianity that even the most base and disgusting child-molesting mass-murdering sack of shit is redeemable and can become a person worthy of being reconciled with god.

This is a noble story, or rather, it seems noble enough to me, though there are some here who have a total fetish for punishment, so, whaever. The problem is that the doctrine of sola fide means that suddenly the incentive to actually *be* a good person out in the world, whatever that may mean, is secondary. God under Christianity is really not interested in how you behave, not when it comes down to brass tacks. The Christian God really only cares if you're in his fanclub. The rest is just a matter of his taste, but he doesn't mind sinning at all so long as you pinky-promise you're sorry and you still think he's the coolest. God must be the big man on campus at all costs.

So, basically, you have a nice idea there but it doesn't really jive with Christianity.

>>123893

Wrong, The most important thing God ask is to have no other God, it s the first commandment and the only one mentioned twice. Read your bible retard.

>>123753

Shame.

>>123756

That image… and you're a fool.

>>123969

>he missed the message of the New Testament about loving your neighbor

stay talmudic

I don't think it's safe to equate Saturn and God.

The hierogamy that involves titans and leads through the titanomachy is medically significant in ways that differ from metallurgic operations in the themas mundi or the holy roman empire made ethic in necromancy.

Your curiosity isn't a punishment to others and you have human rights on your side in your studies.

>>123753

You're confusing Satan and Lucifer.

>>123753

You can stick with Christianity. The point of any religion is to relay truth to the masses. But, if you really want a change, humble yourself and see the vastness of the universe. Base yourself off of it's characteristics. I'll see what I can do for you.

>>123753

Stop falling for dualistic Marcionist tier memes which try to brainwash you into thinking God is evil. All of this nonsense about Saturn being Satan is completely unfounded. Saturn is the Holy Spirit. He is not evil. People have confused the negative polarization of Saturnine energy with the penultimate Saturn archetype, which is Binah on the Kabbalistic Tree of Life.

Christus-Lucifer sharing the same archetype as Prometheus is indeed true, but that is only part of the story. You may study this lecture(and the others contained within the course) to learn about the parallels between the Greek mysteries and the Bible, specifically Genesis.

https://gnosticteachings.org/courses/greek-mysteries/3209-prometheus-and-pandora.html

>>123753

It's bullshit and can be easily debunked by studying kabbalah and /actually reading the bible/

I'm a Christian and a Kabbalist. Sure modern Christianity is shit but don't listen to retarded conspiracy theorists who only spread hearsay from someone they found on youtube. Study greek and other languages and it will easily debunk a lot of what these people are claiming. We can actually talk too, I have loads of cool shit you can study and I can recommend it to you, but it's only if you're a true believer in Jesus and if you love God.

>>123753

You're already eternally damned for posting on /fringe, matey

You can face the truth without turning your back on god, even if what you suspect turns out to be true. God wants Enlightment, god wants truth. Follow the path you feel is right

>>124643

I liked your post until that shitty end line.

>true believer in Christ

Is it even possible to sound more kikey than that?

>>123756

Initial Reaction

>Oh, its this namefag again in a thread with a mentally vulnerable OP.

Reads the post

>Not bad, not bad at all

Y'all should research the claims you hear in pop docs and memes

>>124611

So if Saturn isn't Satan, how do you explain the Elites' worship of him and the degenerate acts they do in his temples? What is that about? Do they misunderstand it as much as the average /fringe/tard?

>my pop documentary is better than yours!!! °~°

>>125641

Supposed to be an answer to >>125610

>>125640

>Do they misunderstand it as much as the average /fringe/tard?

This is what I lean towards, never underestimate people being lemmings.

>>125640

That was precisely my point about the negative polarization of Saturnian energy. Saturn rules the kingdoms of Life and Death, and as we contain Saturn as a planetary force within ourselves, that energy can be used for the means of death and destruction. is exactly why the the Seven Deadly Sins and the Seven Heavenly Virtues correspond with the alchemical attributes of the 7 classical planets. Their 'worship' of Saturn is actually the complete opposite, what they are doing is the ultimate blasphemy. They hate the Holy Spirit, so they pervert and corrupt its true energy.

Being on this sight alone is proof enough that you've turned your back on your pathetically insecure "god".

one day it'll be time to put on the big boy pants and tell dad you are moving out of the house and going off to college, you dont want to waste your life away in your podunk small town in the middle of goatfuck county texas.

ps your dad smells

>>125619

Its more so that you seem to still have basic/intermediate barriers up, while reality is trying to be the teacher that it is. Its easy to confuse effective and critical self defense (particularly on the internet) and self defeating blindness - take it from a partially blind guy.

I strongly appreciate hearing you say that you align with that, though. Overall, when I read your posts the first reaction I get is frustration. I genuinely believe you're missing something, and I say that as a flawed person who's certainly still missing things.

If you are a Christian in the sense of understanding the ideal and the wisdom of Jesus, then you will never forget that truth.

But… it becomes dark when you stray from the flock. You must go out on your own then, to find the truth. The true truth.

It is not the popular one that you hear about. It cannot have a name other than the truth. You cannot be damned by the truth, but there is always the chance that you will be mislead, and believe a lie instead.

For example, here is a dark revelation: All religions are false and there is no god.

The cold truth is not as beautiful as a lie, no?

But there must be a part of you, still unbrainwashed enough to see the simple logic: Of all the religions and versions of gods, why should just one be true? Could more than one be true?

The truth is that all are false. Look only to nature.

The words of men hold no value, thus my heart is turned dark with sorrow.

From the mountains come whispering winds, from the ocean come murmuring waves, from the forest come the rustling voices of trees, and from the fields come the enlightened laughter of the flowers.

Where is the voice of God then? In a man's hand, he held a pen. Upon a piece of parchment, he wrote a simple sentence, a simple lie: "In the beginning…."

But the birds did not speak it. The wolves did not speak it. The bears did not speak it. And the stars themselves burned silently throughout the night.

But the sun shall rise, and then all shall be illuminated.

And that sentence there is true. Literally true. But could it be a metaphor for a certain religion? Or did the religion steal the truth of the sun ever-so-conveniently? Hmm hmmm….

>>126433

>Reality is not a valid teacher; it is an abuser

Do you say this with it being the nature of everyone else's projections, and therefore a manifestation of a foreign will? If so, I can appreciate that.

I still think that anything information can be gathered from, can be a source of learning when discernment is appropriately applied, and when avoiding a neurotic analysis of every falling raindrop. I do not think that reality is a truth, as it is merely the noise from the source. It still however an implement of cause and effect.

>You are free to be frustrated that I have not chosen

It is the opposite. Its the assumption that you chose to throw in with that beast, for whatever the assumption is worth. I'd like to think that I made it from analyzing the net whole of your posts (that I've seen).

>>123753

OP read this

(updated picture is lower in the thread)

>>120566

>>126463

Then, how are we to know the difference between a bug and a feature? Surely entropy would be enough to damage a system of energy and vibrations, alongside whatever puts the 'emitters' of these forces into their presence. Is this death, decay, and torture the result of these?

There's the Adam and Eve story, which I think at a minimum suggests an event that would have been the first true 'Tower of Babel' event. Either we have proof that the Demiurge/God force is all these twisted things in punishing creature of learning for learning, or we're just in a dying world. This is assuming that we're taking the story at face value, and giving credit to its source - Which I hesitate to do. These days, I think that a combination of all these things is closer to the truth. As a former Catholic, I also appreciate how twisted the big three religions are - Thinking for myself has proven difficult, and every time it comes back to my Catholic upbringing and how it deliberately shaped my perception.

If whatever force as I just described on the more mundane side, or at a more elevated level as you've painted is to be put into check… Parts of it would naturally have to be trimmed away, as such is rebirth. Where the hell does one find/make spare cosmic parts for the metronome of reality?

>>123753

I can not endorse death and rebirth as a soldier but most of what we call our lives is reclaimed as sol from it as an eventual necessity. It is better to seek out a college in my opinion though most of the complexes called universities are not colleges proper.

The christ, which is only sometimes revealed as Jesus, rules in the zeroth year while the titanomachy, whose result is human, is witnessed on the way. It is not yet sufficient.

Changed flag, getting sick of the anti-flag flag

So many flags, none that seem to whisper THATS ME, THATS ME!

>>126653

Then… Where does this leave you?

I've lurked my fair share of threads containing and concerning you. There's all kind of people saying that you're someone who never reached effectiveness with magick - Yes, I know the internet shitflinging contest isn't more than words on a wall.

But I'm genuinely curious as to where you stand in the depths of the fringy world. You've got plenty of awareness and opinion, where you're plenty interesting to talk to when genuinely talking is the intent of everyone concerned. I'm asking as someone who's experienced his own strange events, entities, and affinities towards it all. Did you reach your conclusions out of bitterness toward something? Or am I just still unbelievably naive in these things? Is it a combination of both, or something else? Is it that one of us are still suppressing a basic awareness of this world we find ourselves in?

If you're familiar with Evola's Ride the Tiger, I've started it myself and don't completely care for the tone. It looks like its teaching how to be good at waiting for things to remain outside your will, and to just drop themselves on your lap. At a basic level this is plain retarded, but when does this understanding end, and where does it start? Does it apply to your model that you typed out, where brawling it out for the universal joystick is the natural end of a truly self aware group of people?

Can any other end be possible with a fringe population seeking to increase their spiritual growth? Theoretically, its not impossible to outgrow this 'God'. My concern is not turning ones self into a sort of 'Sith', with self corrupting knowledge destroying the self due to the lack of wisdom and nuance. We have all this potential dumped onto our laps, and find that all these presence between birth, rebirth, and the greatest end seeks to curb and benefit from the human potential - and we learn this to be evil.

Would you say that anything which is not the self

>is inherently evil?

>>126705

Have a video from the Uncle

This might help answer your question better than most here can

>>126704

The only evil in this world, is oppression directed at anything other than itself.

My methods and conclusions are rooted in experience that is entirely non-magical and any person on this Earth who is not retarded and has access to proper Internet, could also achieve if they wished to; provided they put in the time to really focus on the nature of Righteousness and The Internet. That all being said, the imaginative side of magic is available to all and used by all; but, there is a hivemind side to the imagination and that is where the more theoretical yet possible side of magic comes into play. I am only a mage insofar as I am able to persuade, construct, destroy, and alter hivemind entities. Hiveminds are… essentially theoretical constructs that treat each person's mind as a container of fragment of various overarching hiveminds that each fire neurons by having us communicate with each other. Each person's mind is a container of fragments connected to a multitude of different hiveminds such as the hivemind surrounding White People or America or Christian God or Anonymous. This is still just a theory but, it is what I'd call the basic framework for magic, and is probably the most logically justifiable framework you will ever get as magic is for the most-part incredibly difficult to justify given the ridiculous things considered 'core' to it. Even then, such a framework is rooted in not evidence, but rather reinterpreting evidence so that rather than viewing a conversation as an interaction with one person, you instead view conversations as an interaction with one person, plus at the same time all the hivemind entities that occasionally or subtly speak through that person. It's like being filled with demons except the demons are just our societal cultural and memetic biases that try to speak through us. I know that is a tad complex to explain so feel free to ask any questions.

Rights, tulpas, memes, codes. These are the more important things you should focus on. Magic is purely useful for arranging symbols in your mind and the minds of others. It is entirely bullshit, and only in understanding magic is complete bullshit, can you appreciate its full potential. There is a grain of truth to magic, and that is its inherent potential for altering the lively arrangement of symbols in minds; anything that ignores this principle I explicitly declare fake beyond repair. Persuasion and creativity are fundamental to magic; and yet the common person would merely say such things are not magic, but simply art or communication -depends what ways you are willing to understand things.

My conclusion of the universe being a coded system run by the sourcecode and owner known as God, is rooted in an obvious understanding that an all-powerful being that allows evil that could under another being's guidance be altogether removed, is blatant proof that God is not fit to run this place. As for the coding aspect, it seems all too obvious that the crux of reality is a bunch of coding -even the more obscure answers such as "reality is imaginary" or "reality is just what you observe" can still be explained as byproducts of coding. The imagination, the reality we observe, all just arrangements of symbols known as atoms which contain sub-symbols known as sub-particles, and so-on. And a code is just a series of symbols, so it's not a question of if everything is code, but merely how does the coding language operate?

And as for the assumption of God, I merely assert that random chance is a code, and that a code that generates things and over time makes those things more orderly such as in this universe's case, is a form of thought process and that in itself

would be God. Thus, as I've said, God is evolving and while some day may be qualified to run the universe, for now God is not qualified to run the universe due to overwhelmingly unethical behaviors and rules, and humankind has an obligation to hold God accountable for the sake of its own survival and improvement, by means of editing God's code.

>>126711

Were you born in February or late January?

>>126711

>>126710

>>126709

Yeah, I'm pretty sure your deal is that you post your dumb sigil everywhere to try and become a forced meme. Unfortunately you've seemed to have missed the fact that a number of powerful memes and tropes exist which directly counteract your goal, stuff like "Comeuppance" and "Ironic punishment". The more you try and force your individual control over the hivemind, the less powerful the resultant meme. There's other reasons as to why you're deluded, but from where I'm standing, you'll not get any further than a typical avatarfag.

To the OP: Don't be scared of Saturn, and don't be scared of Death. They're simply inevitable for material beings. Use your material body to learn as much as you can, and strive for some form of spiritual development and you'll be fine. It's only those who revel in the Material universe and pleasures that will suffer. Sinning is kind of like smoking to me. It seems good, but you'll suffer when you have to do without it.

>>126709

You're speaking my language, then. I've been making my observations of all this for a while, with observation being one of the skills I have the most faith in as a tool. It seems that we're both doing the same thing between the boards and pages we lurk and post in, trying to harvest the experiences of others. I do think that you're more developed than I am in observation and the ability to effect change, particularly in Tulpas. I never considered in using them as a social mechanism for information collection and influence.

I then suggest you read Richard Dawkins theory on memetics, which makes a mundane and methodical attempt at apply definitions to the hive mind, and its structure. I strongly recommend it, as the system it lays out offers an extra layer of understanding the behavior of hivemind systems for a sociological perspective. When considering the social animal aspect of humanity, it does a fantastic job at betraying societal function. I'm not sure if his works in this will tell you anything new, but maybe it will arrange it all in the form that will help make a few more connections.

Are you familiar with the study of Theodicy? It discusses the problem of evil directly, with the study literally representing a defense (or if you prefer the opposite position, and argument against) God. What is pain, suffering, and what does it say about the world we live in and its greater presence? After what context of rationalization, do we start to demean the suffering of others? Of our own? Are we abandoning our own agency to the understandings we assume?

This is what I enjoy, and the sort of thing that I leave 90% of the people I know in the dust about.

>>126729

Human existence is a forced meme. You should stop calling the kettle a nigger, its far too becoming of an internet lolcow.

>>126756

And, I make my 'in the dust' comment, in that its nice to sit down and have a meaningful discussion about these things. For people to be drawn to calling and insisting that you're a forced meme, your wake of influence must be sufficient to irk the moralfag battalions.

Try Lucifer = Enki = Prometheus

what the fuck are you on about. as a fellow christian, i have one piece of advice: go reeeeeaaaal easy on /x/ conspiracy shit. by its very nature most of it is a substitute for real spirituality or just entertainment. youre looking in the wrong places my friend

I feel sort of scared that all of the roles I have to play are names of marriages that I can not observe due to my hunger.

>>123753

When the morning STARS sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

job 38,7

>>129054

I agree, namefag. Not even sure why I had saved the first one several years ago since I abhor cartoon porn. I guess the purpose was my present revelation.

>>123753

Don't believe this anon, western esotericism is good to understand (Hinduism, Norse/Irish/Anglo-German, Greeco-Roman, Zoroastrianism, etc…) but you must not forget the underlying truth. While other religions and traditions may shed light and truths we must remember that they are not from God, they may be from an entity (good or evil depending on the subject at hand) but they certainly aren't from God.

TL;DR: Take knowledge from other religions/traditions but don't forget the underlying truth of Christ.

There is no eternal damnation. Ghosts live on upon the earth, the earth is both the land of living and the afterworld.

Don't worry, keep on the path, keep questing.

>>123753

>>123753

No self-respecting God would condemn you out of questioning reality. And if he did, he'd be an asshole. Specially if you've been "good" according to some basic common ethical ground.

Indeed if you truly get into exploring these stuffs, having a "good heart" will probably save your ass a couple of times.

Also, fast track: Get some Psilocybe shroomies and ask them (I mean truly ask them before you eat them) to show you what is this really about. Then lie down on your coach and wait.

>>123863

God killed Jesus, it took three days, but Jesus was able to get revenge, then he returned to tell his disciples about it. After the day of Pentecost, he took to the heavens with his new Army of angels and is taking the battle back at those that would keep humans down. Someday he will return and we will be free.

>>132609

earth is hell

i believe that Earth is the time to prove ourselves

i believe there is a life worse than this something akin to hell and a life better than this something akin to heaven