No.24175[Last 50 Posts]
KABBALISTIC JEWS DID THIS TO US, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT RUINED THE BOARD!!![3:08:51 AM] Fredrick (admin@8chan.co): Hi
[3:09:27 AM] Fredrick (admin@8chan.co): I came online just to assist with this
[3:09:42 AM] Fredrick (admin@8chan.co): I asked lowcard to do it but he's MIA
[3:10:10 AM] Fredrick (admin@8chan.co): I'm very sorry this happened, here is the claim email 8chan received
[3:11:36 AM] Fredrick (admin@8chan.co): "The lower a person feels, the closer he comes to his true state and to
the Creator." - The Kabbalah
I have the recent posts made by Smiley in the days before his
disappearance and he has become as I can tell actually suicidal and
erratic. You have access to him in real life yes? I would recommend
strongly sending someone to check on him, on freedomboard.kiara he
posted a message a week ago and hasn't been active since claiming he was
leaving with the hint of suicide. I think he actually committed suicide.
The clause on your email "If Smiley comes back I'll give him back the
board by the way", does this have unlimited time frame? I am not sure
how to run /fringe/ in this case. I am hesitant to do anything. Please
send someone to look for him.
Wlalyszc
On 2015-02-28 17:58, 8chan Admin wrote:
> Hello, > > Looks like Smiley has gone missing. Here you go. If Smiley comes back > I'll give him back the board by the way. > > Thanks for your interest in this board. Kindly find the username and > password below. You can login at/mod.php. > Username: fringe > Password: SscnvdaLLY2q > Thanks for using 8chan! > >> On Feb 27, 2015, at 2:17 PM, wlalyszc@cock.liwrote: >> >> I am a Kabbalistic scholar and run an underground blog site on >> DeMosean meditation. If control of the board is up for claiming I >> would welcome the chance to bring the Hermetic to the masses. >> >> My contact info is wlalyszc@cock.li[3:12:48 AM] Fredrick (admin@8chan.co): Given his mail I did not foresee this outcome
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screencap 2
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screencap 3 …. ….. extra text
No.24179
screenshot 4
Where is everyone? Hopefully people will come back…
No.24180
>>24175>trusting a jewHow dumb can this fucking cripple be?
Glad you got the board back though.
No.24181
>>24180He is apparently working on restoring all the threads and hopefully the flags and everything else right now.
No.24182
Can anyone translate the text?
No.24183
So essentially because of Smiley's absence, some kike weasels in and convinces HotWheelz he's the ideal candidate to continue the site? And then, once the kike gained control, he deleted everything?
I'm guessing HotWheelz didn't realize Kabbalah is a part of Judaism, and didn't see the redflag.
No.24184
I'm going to add a National Socialist flag so we don't have to post under this abhorrent Jew Star.
No.24185
Death to the jew!
No.24186
We need a new Rope Awaiter flag, the old one was rather shit, someone make a new one. Has to be 20x11 or 16x16 in size.
No.24187
>>24183He is creating an inheritance system now.
No.24188
Anyone got a better Pleiadian flag than what I have or think they can make this better?
No.24189
?
No.24190
hmmm
No.24191
?
No.24192
?
No.24193
IS NOTHING FUCKING SACRED
DO THE KIKES KNOW NO BOUNDS
No.24194
The Fourth Way flag, please? Picture is related, it's Gurdjieff.
No.24195
>>24194Would you use it?
I just fixed your icon.
No.24196
>>24194>>24195Haha, I just fixed it myself.
Yeah, I would use it. The Fourth Way/Fifth Way is a good tradition.
No.24198
>>24197ah fuck maybe this will be better
No.24199
Perfected now, I hope.
No.24200
>>24197This looks better in the darker styles. . .
>>24199But this one is better in the lighter ones.
I'm in mood for flag making. Suggestions?
No.24201
>>24200Did we lost all the previous flags? No backups?
No.24202
Should I group a bunch of flags into a Pagan category?
aka
Pagan (Wicca)
Pagan (Sun Cross)
Pagan (Double Sig Rune)
Pagan (Celtic)
Pagan (Odal Rune) ?
>>24201It seems so, unless Fred succeeds in adding them back.
No.24203
>>24179Nigga, we was waiting for you to fix this shit. Ain't nobody gone back to being a mundy.
>>24193The kikes fear us, else they would not try and take away our board. Even if it has too great a neophyte number, thanks to the library and the desire for people to know more it would take a year or less for the practitioners to become powerful enough that there would be no more stopping them.
And the gall to end it with a "we know"! Of course you rats know! You sit under a sword held by the goy's ignorance. Your time is numbered if it continues as it does.
GAS THE KIKES
ASCEND TO 4D
No.24204
>>24203HYPERDIMENSIONAL TIME WARS NOW, GAS THE DEMIURGE'S CHOOSEN, ROPE THE REPTILIANS, 14/88/741!!!
No.24205
No.24206
We should probably add more ranks.
No.24207
Thanks for editing this, man.
>>24206Neophyte
Initiate
Adept
Master
?
No.24208
>>24175This is pure fucking gold!
>I have the recent posts made by Smiley in the days before hisdisappearance and he has become as I can tell actually suicidal and
erratic.
>NO QUOTES, SOURCE OR PROOF GIVEN!WHAT THE FUCK?
Also OP. Someone claiming to be Kabbalistic and then stealing our board is like Argentinians claiming to be white and invade Germany. It's probably a ruse and a setup to move the blame on someone else. Some IP tracing could lead you to the person and he probably has a board on 8chan.
No.24209
Should I make a jew category?
Jew (Zionist)
Jew (Kabbalist)
etc.?
No.24210
We should have a series of alchemy symbols.
No.24211
卐 卍
hmmm which of these two is the default swastika?
No.24212
Gonna fix some flags.
No.24213
>>24209Do you have a flag for Kabbalah?
I'll check out the alchemical symbols.
No.24214
Can someone please make an Adolf Hitler 16x16 icon for me to use as an Esoteric Hiterlist flag in the 卐 Flags category?
No.24215
>>24213>Do you have a flag for Kabbalah?I think a really shitty one that has to be redone.
No.24216
>>24214Let me see. . . I'll make the alchemy ones first, (takes like five minutes).
No.24217
Does anyone feel like this flag should be redone so the two runes are further apart instead of so close?
No.24219
>tfw some of the NatSoc flags can fit into alchemy category or pagan category
>tfw some of the Christian flags can fit into Gnostic (as something separate from Christianity)
ah well
No.24220
>>24217Eh, maybe the left one could be some two pixels further from the right one?
No.24221
hmmmm this one is bloated/stretched
No.24222
Testing, testing.
If I see that transparent turn into white, I'll. . .
No.24223
fdffsfdsdsds
No.24224
Another bloated one.
No.24225
Hmmm I guess they are supposed to be close together.
No.24226
I'll just leave this as is I think. Although… they do look thicker on those uniforms. Maybe I should use this one (
>>24221 ) ?
No.24227
I think these are the actual collars?
No.24229
No.24233
>>24228Which are those?
I think the only important ones in the alchemy series we need are:
>Salt, Mercury, Sulfur>Akasha, Fire, Earth, Water, AirWhich Double Sig Rune is better btw? No.24234
>>24233Here is a possible happy intermediate. Not too thick and not too thin. Hopefully much closer to the spirit of those uniforms. Moved them slightly apart one pixel too.
No.24235
No.24236
Stick with the original or maybe use this one or what should I do?
No.24237
>>24233Luna, Mars, MERCURY, SALT, SULFUR
>>24234I kind of like the bigger one better.
No.24238
Original here for comparison. Not flooding.
No.24239
>>24236Or this, this one is good.
No.24240
Back-to-back comparison.
No.24241
>>24240First sig is the best in my opinion.
>invalid flag selection No.24242
Fug should I just put back the first original one then?
No.24243
>>24240Third one D. S. Rune.
No.24244
No.24245
We could have a full series of Runes maybe
Rune ()
but that would be a fuckload of flags and I think we can only have a hundred flags.
No.24246
>>24244I mean I like it.
Some trouble with Akasha symbol, will post soon.
No.24248
>>24246Akasha is just a black egg-shaped oval. Not flood.
No.24249
Should we call Akasha…
Spirit
Prima Materia
Void
Quintessence
Aether
or one of its various other names?
…since we don't call Fire Tejas…
>The word "Tattvas" is a Hindu term connotating "realities, or states of being. The Tattvas represent primordial energies representing the five elements of Spirit (Akasha), Air (Vayu), Fire (Tejas), Water (Apas), and Earth (Prithivi)
No.24250
>>24248There are several other symbols for it though.
No.24251
>>24248?
>>24249Spirit/Aether/Ether sounds good to me.
No.24252
>>24249Spirit would fit better with the others, but I'd just keep Akasha. Void has other meanings, the others are usually represented in different ways.
No.24253
>>24251Why does it look brittle lol?
No.24254
Should Ouroboros be classified in the Pagan category?I can't tell for certain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros No.24255
btw what about ylilauta saying they were the ones that took the board?
http://ylilauta.org/int/34924588 No.24256
>>24254Should be in "alchemy" if there'll be one.
No.24258
>>24255The screencap there checks out with what I found in the CSS:
>>24177 No.24260
>>24259This pic is how is how I've seen akasha normally depicted. It's like a pomegranate seed sort of.
No.24261
I don't think these guys here
http://ylilauta.org/int/34924588 hacked the board or if they did they only hacked the CSS.
They certainly don't know my password. The passwords I use are always long and complicated random scramblings of characters and letters that I memorize perfectly.
My minecraft account password is the most complex btw, it's fucking huge, and just random gibberish.
No.24262
?
No.24263
>>24262I prefer this one.
By the way, here's Hitler! (?)
No.24264
>>24263By "this one", I meant the flag.
Hm, blurry.
No.24266
>>24263Holy shit that is terribad.
I think we still need a better Pleiadian flag than the two I've made so far.
No.24268
New health and fitness superthread up
>>24265 No.24270
>>24175Oh thank Demiurge we're back, i thought the board had been perma-buttfucked for a while.
No.24272
>>24268The old one isn't dead though. It is here: (
>>18066 )
It just doesn't have its image loaded at the moment.
No.24274
>>24270Hey man which of three double sig runes I made do you like best?
See: (
>>24240 )
not flood
No.24275
>>24273even worse, oy vey
No.24278
>>24276How about this one I just made now?
>le Adolf Hitler smashing degenerate jewish sculpture and remaking it into an ubermensch No.24279
>>24274I prefer the top one simply because it looks sharper
No.24280
>>24278Where did you get that? Reminds me of Wolfenstein.
No.24281
>>24240That's a "black" sun, but not the "black sun".
No.24282
>>24279Well that's two people in favour of that one, I'll restore it then.
>>24281THE black sun does not fit a 16x16 icon and still look like how it's supposed to.
卐 (Esoteric Hitlerist)
or
卐 (Adolf Hitler)
what to name it?
No.24283
??? Should I have called this
卐 (Esoteric Hitlerist) ???
No.24285
>>24283I think so.
>>24284Pretty gud.
No.24286
>>24283Esoteric Hitlerist.
No.24287
???
No.24288
>>24287Which version is better, neck version, or no neck?
No.24289
No.24290
No.24291
No.24294
>>24293Can you make one for the other 4 elements now?
No.24295
Should we have an Africa category for Voodoo, Santeria, Obeah, and related traditions?
No.24296
>>24295Also should the category just be called "Africa" or something else? What should it be called?
No.24297
No.24298
>>24294Make the other elements? Sure!
>>24295How about Pagan (Africa: Voodoo/Obeah/etc.)?
Then you might have to rename some of the preexisting ones with Pagan (Europe: blaablaa).
No.24299
>>24298Practically all the shit under Pagan is European Paganism. Rather not do that shit.
I also don't like that because of alphabetical listing, all of the Africa options would appear at the top… unless maybe we just call it Nigger. lol
No.24300
What symbols should represent the Adept and Master ranks?
No.24301
Should we make an Oriental category and put Taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. under it?
No.24302
>>24301Hinduism and buddhism are similar, but taoism isn't the same.
No.24303
>>24300Maybe a cup and sword?
>>24302But Buddhism and Taoism have influenced each other, (see; Zen).
No.24304
Should we have a Wizard category and put Thelema, Chaotees, Erisians, Hermeticists, Satanist, Illuminati, and similarly very magickal orders under it?
No.24305
>>24300Adept should be the same as Initiate in freedomboards. Don't think there should be a separate Master flag.
>>24301Do it, it might take shinto and all other stuff that comes from the far east.
No.24306
>>24303How the fuck is a cup and sword gonna fit 16x16?
What are the symbols used by the Golden Dawn or similar groups?
I got that neophyte icon from the golden dawn I think.
No.24307
>>24302Taoism is from Asia though. I'd also throw Shinto and other Asian religions in the Oriental category.
No.24308
>>24301Improved edges on the Taoist flag I think?
No.24309
>>24308Hopefully this has the white pixels gone…
No.24311
>>24310???
(Check on the tomorrow and dark themes btw to see the white pixels better)
No.24312
>>24311Ah shit, this version looks crap on light theme.
No.24313
>>24312dsfdsfdsfsdf sdffdsfsd fds
No.24314
>>24313erhserkjse hjaesd iassda poujasdop das god damn this flag is hard to get right
No.24315
>>24314Ok this version looks ok on both light and dark themes.
No.24316
Testing out for fun, do not mind.
No.24317
>>24316Oh boy, Alois Irlmaier has a white glow against a dark background, but it doesn't look too bad.
No.24319
>>24318Need to work on the
edges.
No.24320
>>24312Don't you have the Montalk theme anymore?
No.24321
>>24318/fringe/; scanning your mind since 2015.
No.24322
Akashic post
No.24323
>>24320They're both uploaded. Oh you mean the CSS? Shit got obliterated and I'll have to recreate it or start a new CSS.
No.24325
>>24323Yeah, the CSS. I see it's back now.
No.24327
>>24325I can not see the CSS even though I just tried to add it back.
No.24328
>>24325Oh, wait. That's not it.
No.24330
Does anyone have a Shinto Flag?
No.24331
Pleiadian (No Neck)
No.24332
>>24331Is this an improvement on the older Pleiadian flag?
No.24333
>>24322I like the original with neck.
No.24334
Testan' (?)
No.24335
>>24334Should I add some color?
No.24336
>>24334These looks bland as fuck.
>>24335Yes.
No.24337
>>24333I think it looks better without the neck/shoulders.
No.24339
>>24337No shoulders version here.
not flooooddddd
No.24340
>>24339I like it with the shoulders
No.24341
Smiley, what do you like of this,
>>24321?
No.24342
>>24340None of the other alien icons include shoulders though.
No.24343
>>24341Psionic isn't a tradition I know of. It reminds me of Hylic, Psychic, and Pneumatic (gnostic categories) though.
No.24344
These aren't that great.
May we should use a blue water drop, an orange fireball, a brown clay ball or boulder, and a yellow or white wispy thing for the elemental symbols?
No.24345
>>24343Well, Psionics do mind-control, psychomancy, mind-reading, psychokinesis, etc.
I would say its wizardry stripped of ritual and philosophy, basically "scientific magic".
>>24344I would prefer something like that, alchemical symbols are difficult to work with.
No.24346
When in doubt, use vidya.
No.24347
Can anyone make or find decent elemental icons in a full set?
No.24348
>>24347This colourful outline style is really nice.
No.24349
I found a fire outline, but it needs to be improved.
No.24350
>>24349Not using your icon just uploading to see how this looks.
No.24354
>>24353Looks like a ball of hair.
No.24355
It's too bad we can't have animated icons.
No.24356
>>24355>>24352Incorrect dimensions.
No.24357
Testing
No.24358
>>24357All element icons uploaded, test em' out guys.
No.24359
>>24357Slightly improved. Not flood.
No.24360
>>24359a little moar transparency on that one pixel
No.24361
No.24362
>>24354Looks like shit/manure. lol
No.24363
Any feedback on my questions here?>>24304 and
>>24295 No.24364
>>24363Yea to Wizard, nay to Africa.
Why not just add the African stuff to Pagan category?
No.24365
Can we make any improvements to the Chaos Magician flag to make it nicer? Maybe colours or other nice changes?
No.24366
>>24364Well, vodoo and santeria are mixed with christianity. Obeah is the only of the three that can be called truly pagan.
No.24368
>>24365It could be more bold, and I think the black works the best.
No.24369
>>24365We should make make the Caduceus more pretty too. Right now it's just black. Maybe it could be golden or something?
No.24371
???
No.24372
Which of these is best?
No.24373
I still don't know if Ouroboros should be classified under Pagan or not.
No.24375
>>24370>>24371I like both of these, but could you recolor the second so it's golden like the first one?
>>24373I think it's more of Alchemy than Paganism.
No.24376
Anyone got a better golden apple? The one currently used is from Minecraft icon set…
No.24377
>>24375I can use a differently coloured Caduceus for either the Adept or Master rank maybe.
No.24378
>>24377How about the second one for Master rank? I still think it should be golden, though.
No.24379
Hmmmm
No.24380
>>24379I like the first one of these.
No.24382
http://www.minecrafttexturepacks.com/life-hd/Lots of potential golden apple icons around here.
No.24383
Hm.
No.24384
>>24382Tried downloading one, didn't see any custom icons in it though for the items.
No.24385
For fun, Atkinson.
No.24386
Is it possible to add a hellenic paganism flag?
No.24387
>>24385Hm, looked better on desktop.
No.24388
>>24385Why the fuck does that look like Lenin?
No.24389
File: 1425305765380.jpg (110.37 KB, 476x618, 238:309, William-Walker-Atkinson-Ph….jpg)
No.24391
le atkinson face
No.24392
>>24391I made it lighter.
No.24393
>>24390Oh shiggy, I can now see Lenin there!
No.24394
>>24392No you didn't, you turned up the contrast, but it's not lighter.
No.24395
>>24394Fine, I made it contraster.
No.24396
>>24395>>24392both of these are high contrast tho'
Mine is better.
No.24397
Do no coloured photographs of William Walker Atkinson exist? What about descriptions as to what his natural hair, eyes, and skin colour is?
No.24398
>>24396>both of these are high contrast>implyingYou anti-White, bro?
No.24399
>>24398Looks like you turned up the brightness and contrast 1488%.
No.24400
niggums
No.24401
>tfw thumbnails are way darker than the actual image
>tfw Atkinson gone ghost mode here
No.24402
No.24403
>>24401It's his astral head spooking around.
Here's a quick colorization, I just used what colors I had.
No.24404
>>24403Wait, I'll give him brown hair.
No.24405
>>24403What colour is his hair though? Is it black? Blonde? Who knows what it is?
No.24406
Is there any way to tell in grey-scale photographs what the actual colour of the person's hair is?
No.24407
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_YronwodeThis woman here has apparently read a lot of William Walker Atkinson.
No.24408
>>24406I am not sure what color his hair is, but I'm sure it isn't black.
I need better colors.
No.24410
>>24408Do you not have GIMP?
No.24411
>>24410Eh, I used
http://www.colorizephoto.com/ to make the quick color, now I use Artweaver to make it better.
No.24412
Should Christian (Generic) and Islam (Generic) just be renamed to Christian and Islam?
No.24413
No.24414
>>24406Hm, I think he has (light) brown hair.
No.24415
Isn't this the proper symbol of the Fourth Way? Should it not be used in place of the flag or the face of the guy who made Fourth Way?
No.24416
This is supposed to symbolize Fourth Way I think.
No.24417
>>24415Enneagram? Sure, Enneagram encompasses both Fourth and Fifth Ways, so it's good.
I tried many times to make Enneagram flag but it always turned out horrible.
No.24418
No.24419
>>24418You could use both Gurdjieff (the guy) and Enneagram, if you want to.
No.24420
What do you think of this?
No.24421
>>24420I can't spot the Enneagram there. Can you try adding some red where the "spikes" go, please?
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No.24424
8-Bit Atkinson!
No.24425
Also distinguished as degrees, the Illuminates of Thanateros, is a newer style of magic called chaos magic, which places adept closer to the top of their system.[citation needed]
4° Neophyte
3° Initiate
2° Adept
1° Magus
>tfw don't know what symbols they use for this
No.24426
>>24422No need to.
By the way, if you want to categorize the Fourth Way, it goes to Christian.
No.24427
>see the banner
>see Evola, think it's Ouspensky
>compare them
>mfw
No.24429
We could make a Person or Personality Category and then add William Walker Atkinson, Alois Irlmaier, and P. D. Ouspensky under it.
No.24430
No.24431
Maybe this could be the adept rank? Than what should be Master or Magus rank?
No.24432
>>24431Hm, that's a difficult one. . .
No.24433
Check out the ebin loosh farmer flag I added.
No.24435
>>24434Cursed gray spots!
No.24437
>>24436Extra fixed, there was a single grey pixel on his shoulder.
No.24439
No.24440
Does anyone have a copy of the old rules page for /fringe/?
I need to restore the rules but can't find them.
No.24441
No.24442
>>24441That doesn't even contain all the rules ;_;.
No.24443
Guys what can we use as symbols for Adept and Magus ranks, to compliment the Neophyte and Initiate ranks?
No.24449
??
No.24451
>>24449The first one I prefer.
No.24452
Should we add Spurdo Spärde, Smug Frog, Master Ruseman, and similar icons to a Meme category?
No.24453
*waves hands*
No.24454
>>24453>put mouse over himKek.
No.24455
No.24456
>>24455Hermes Trismegistus, (?)
No.24457
No.24459
Which Iron Pill to use?
No.24460
>>24456Icon looks like a crab at first glance. I can't even tell it's Hermes.
No.24462
All the major series we have so far (except the Christian series) pictured. Btw, I'm just going to add Voodoo by itself without a category, as it's not like we have very many niggers coming here anyways that there is any demand for flags to represent all the African traditions.
No.24463
Voodoo and Ouroboros added without being put in a category.
Do we have any Kemetists or other Egyptian based magicians here?
I guess if there's anything not on the flags list then I should just wait for someone to demand they have a flag added for their particular denomination.
There's a bunch of flags I have that I haven't bothered to add including some for various Amerindian groups.
No.24464
No.24970
>>24211the counterclockwise one, i.e. materializing
the first one on your line
also the nazi swastika isnt horizontal but at a 45° angle
No.24972
>>24971Always thought Aschmunadai's sigil was pretty crazy, would be a pain having to copy all of that down for an evoke.
No.24978
>>24972If only there were some kind of machine that could lay ink on paper and be connected to a computer…
No.24981
>>24978I thought all summoning sigils had to be hand drawn?
No.25029
There's two Hermeticist flags, just to tell ya. Rank (uiuiui) one, and then this one.
No.25050
Hey, smiley, just put the Montalk background, I think it's the only thing missing in the CSS.
background: url("
http://montalk.net/images/19.jpg") repeat-y scroll 0% 0% #000;
No.25054
>"The lower a person feels, the closer he comes to his true state and to the Creator."
Sounds really STS; feeling lower reminds me of low vibrations (negativity, darkness), "true state" signals delusion and corruption, and the so-called Creator might refer to the "sleeping half" of God, i. e. physicality, "Ormethion" as reptilians call their god.
Kabbalah is the art of making changes to physical universe; might it not be just a coincidence, that the most material of spirit use it for selfish and depraved purposes?
No.25067
>>25054>Kabbalah is the art of making changes to physical universethat would be magic
kabbalah is one branch of magic: the use of the divine word to make such changes
http://www.golden-dawn-canada.com/pdf/bardon%20key%20to%20the%20true%20qabala.pdf No.25119
Should I put the memes into a meme flag category or just leave them scattered in the list?
No.25127
>>25119memes category pls
No.25131
>>24175
>a member of our crazy board is suicidally crazyAm I supposed to be surprised?
No.25133
>>24208I agree with this.
It's too Jewish to be a real Jew.
No.25157
Hey smiley, I have found myself in the possession of a top 25 politics board and was wondering if you'd be willing to help me fill it up with some decent content.
>>>/polidicks/Please donate some IPs and some posts, I have always liked your sense of humor
No.25158
>>25157I also could use your expertise in flag-making
No.25428
>>25158>>25157fug it's dead now.
I will make a politics board CSS and flags set I guess one day and give the board to someone that wants it / give the code and flags set to someone that wants it.
No.25429
>>25131Dumb ass, I was framed by someone pretending to be me and pretending that I was committing suicide.
>>25127It has been added now, guess I should delete the older stuff though.