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I'm relatively unread as of right now, so please excuse me if this is a question that would resolve itself easily if I simply did more reading.

I'm wondering about freedom. How can a human being be said to be free, if we are bound by cause and effect, have a body with physical structure, and a mind with mental structure. It seems like a degree of bondage is implied by merely existing, being bound to be what one is. It seems like an insidious double-bind, that existence would bind one to be in a bondage of the absolute, but allow one a relative degree of freedom depending on physical or mental conditions.

While I think this kind of limitation is necessary to organize consciousness, especially in linear time, it scares me to think that this condition is inescapable because I have no strong affinity for this world or any essential purpose or identity to live out herein.

So, how should I think about this and what should I do? Is the kind of freedom or liberation I'm talking about actually attainable in some sense? How would you suggest acting on the lack of affinity for this world and lack of ultimate purpose?

>>62843

Not being stupid for a while, eat well, sleep well, don't talk to people, work on yourself, no tv, internet, phone for 2 weeks. A total retreat from normal life, all you can do is eat and meditate.

In about two weeks you'll be much better.

>>62841

Look at Buddhism and Tantra.

Is Franz Bardon really a reliable source? I got through the theory part of IIH and it made sense up until

>the magician should spare neither time nor effort to communicate his spiritual treasures to the seeker and lead him towards the light (not sure what this means. maybe not to show "proofs" but to show them the way? or not to show at all)

>it would be foolish for someone who performs heavy physical labor to deprive his body of subtances […] because he occupies himself with yoga or mysticism in private (talking about how vegetarianism is bad)

>the idea that eating the meat of animals also causes the transference of animal characteristics is foolish

>abstinence from sexual intercourse also falls into this category [of being recommended only for very specific magical operations]

These go against a lot of what I have read here, and generally just doesn't seem right. I have gotten results from abstaining from sexual intercourse, and I try to help people as much as I can, so I'm a bit confused. Was I doing something wrong, or should I just take these parts lightly?

>>62804

Not sure if this is what you mean, but things like breaking laws hurts the free will of others. When you invade the free will of others you bring bad "karma" onto you, as part of cause and effect.

Transmuting pleasure to pain isn't denial, it's simply moving on a spectrum. Pleasure and pain are the same thing, just different poles.

>>62850

Franz Bardon in a nutshell:

>fat

>diabetes

>died at 60

>smoked cigars everyday

>no records of his magical practices

>legends surround him like he is some kind of hero, but they are no single proof

>stories wildly differ

>his books are crap, really, they are, read them from top to bottom 3-4 times and you'll understand that most of it is just using big words and fake intellectualism to over complexify simple practices.

Seems to me that if smiley wrote occult books, he could largely be the new Bardon. A dillusional mentaly ill pseudo wizard who read and absorbed far too much info for no practice at all.

Why would you follow the advice of a roleplayer who couldn't fix himself and happened to have channeled an entity by mistake to write books on hermeticism ?

Such a "great and powerful wizard" did not even finish his "life's work", which was to write 4 shitty books on the first 4 tarot cards.

He only wrote 3 on 4 and spend the rest of the time living like a mundane and wasting his time.

Bardon is just an armchair occultist, get over it.

>>62848

Some of this is hard since I have a job and college. But I'll try to limit time spendings on useless things some more

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>no dubs, everytime I make a questions thread I make sure to get dubs

Amateur.

>>62872

>implying dubs are important.

why not answer questions instead of sperging at people not to break rule #2, smiley ??

wtf is the iron pill?

like the green pill but fighting harder, or what?

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Are emotions useful for getting things?

I've read here that emotions make things happen faster.

But I also thought that in meditation one evolves beyond or transforms lower emotions, and I would think that forcing an emotion goes against what one desires from… spirituality?

Like… can't one just trust that anything one wants/needs will be provided by the Divine and forget about everything other than self-development and pursuit of immediate goals and assume they'll come regardless without feeling a desire/emotion for them?

For example, I wanted to attract something specific (tools to heal someone), but then realised it was selfish and the root desire will be fulfilled regardless of whether I am involved/it will happen if it should. (the tools will come to me or that person when proper)

I'd think that developing "muscles" of energy and such is useful, but mostly to the extent of becoming a better channel for the divine (like muscles make you a better channel for electrical energies) so that if you're supposed to do something according to a higher will you'll be able to do it without being drained/destroyed by the energies flowing through you.

>>62896

Just walk the path of balance.

[Practice loving all aspects of yourself to raise your vibe and the vibe you give to others],

Do your practice, find the hobbies that most naturally resonate with you, even if they're scary.

You'll find people with a similar vibration once you decide to better yourself, if you believe.

Talk to the people who are drawn to you, and if you're also drawn to them, be friends. You'll find someone.

(The two times I decided to raise my vibe and go out I found amazing women. One I had a super-powerful astral connection with [didn't work out 'cause I gave up/fell from grace] and the other one is supposedly my wife, from readings I've gotten)

I wouldn't get a mundane girl, unless she's at least doing yoga regularly. Yeah we're all animals on some level, but if you aren't in tune with things you won't know whether you're . The 2nd woman I thought wasn't too special at first, but she ended up having a depth of being and ability that I'd never have expected.

Just ease into topics of spirituality and a path, and if she's on one, she'll be cool enough to hang out with. If you vibe well together, date her, whatever.

>>62897

The 2nd girl didn't reveal that she was sensitive until I did something tremendously stupid.

Work on yourself and you'll attract better people. Be "weird" (just be you) enough and you'll drive off most mundanes. Be in tune enough and you'll be aware of who to avoid.

Find love for yourself in yourself, try to be comfortable alone, or if you "need" someone, bring light to your bodies (physical emotional mental) and then go to another plane and feel the love of someone. Just make a selfless connection to share love, and then if you want, you can find that person in physical space.

Don't go into it with the intention to get anything, though, or it will backfire badly for you.

(I did that on accident rather than on purpose and it was bad enough. My ego was utterly shattered first by the realisation of how shitty of a person I was, and trying not to identify with that, in addition to psychic backlash, which resulted in a difficulty in thinking/doing anything for hours. Then I attempted to prove I wasn't that bad, which again was an ego reaction and resulted in psychic backlash where I felt I was underwater/drawn out of my body)

>>62896

>Why are most women worthless, filthy animals

because most men are "worthless, filthy animals."

Think about it; we're all energy/vibrational beings, and we attract the type of people we are. We don't generally care to associate with those we see as lesser, and the same for those greater than us.

>>62669

bump

Reposting from the last thread:

How do I contact my ancient ancestors?

Is tiredness after energy work the "sore muscles" equivalent to working out, or is it something else?

I also got sleepy after having reiki done on me, when it got to my heart center, which was, at the time, not very active.

I feel like my [least developed/"weak" or perhaps "blocked" or "tense" or "closed" would be more accurate] chakras are the ones where I get tired if they are worked with.

I've found that tension is just a thrill of energy that is being resisted, and this seems to be the opposite. Not enough energy in there?

Also trying to get rid of negative compulsive habits, like searching outside myself/gathering more, or nose-picking or what-have-you.

I assume meditation is the way for this.

The toughest habits to break seem to be the mental ones; expecting anything to be done/someone to do something instinctively, which causes problems when one is powerfully psychic (but I always shy away from people/close my abilities off when this happens)

>>62907

>You know about all those acquaintanceships that are not really your friends right? Well, the truth is that they're just tools to be used to find the people which you intend to meet.

>There's this matrix of acquaintances and their social relations is where you want to get. Meeting friends of friends of friends, until you find the person you look for. Being aware of the intention is key here.

>Of course it might hurt some of your acquaintances that you're merely using them as beacons to find your true friends, I'm still not sure how to solve this matter though.

I dunno. Try to appreciate their company, and you'll probably be introduced to the other people naturally. Just interact with them a little less if you don't vibe well with them, or if they're too negative for you, let them go/stop responding, which should actually attract new energy into your life, hypothetically.

Yeah, actually I found the people who I like most right now because of an old friend with whom I shared a shitty vibe. I was a shut in for several years and then he took me to a retreat center where I found other seekers and this girl I mentioned. (I was there for 3 months; could have left at around 2; that was how long it took for me to get strong enough mentally/emotionally to deal with my previous life)

My vibration had changed to sincere seeking and I was transformed.

> I don't even know where to start looking because I've basically cut ties to almost all of my friends

if you have no ties, try doing something like WWOOFing.

Volunteer work in other states/countries. Travel, and you'll meet people.

Maybe go to a Vipassana retreat (idk if I spelled that right but google knows. it's a silent retreat, 10 days) to renew yourself.

Maybe figure out new likes/hobbies (or rediscover abandoned ones. I abandoned my favorite ones bc of shit but recently rediscovered them); they can be cultivated to a good extent.

Work somewhere related to something you like.

Or take up yoga. Yoga chicks are cooler than the average bear, and yoga classes always have more women than men.

Yoga also works on non-physical bodies so she won't be too mundane if she's been at it for awhile.

>My heart chakra is fucking blocked…

You'll probably attract someone with a blocked heart chakra if yours is blocked, or she'll be screwed up in another way. As within, so without.

Men and women both have to work on themselves to attract better people; emotional, chakra, shadow-self work.

You can open your heart chakra by imagining green/pink waves going in. Golden light to clear blockages, white light to recall your energy, green/pink to vibe the heart open. Front and back, for giving and receiving. (I did this over a few days and got psychic as FUCK and couldn't handle it) Chakras are like muscles. Also blocked by traumas; try to release those somehow.

What I did was sing and imagine myself grieving for the things that caused me to perceive a perception of separation from god, going through each chakra, then 1 round being grateful for experiences of each chakra, then 1 of all of them working in harmony. That happened to resonate with me, but you can do a chakra meditation if you don't have anything you can figure out yet. Khan's thread talks about working with chakras.

>YIN energy is mundane.

It's because the divine masculine is the unmanifest potential, consciousness.

The divine feminine is the physical world.

Shiva Shakti.

They can't help but be tied to this place, because it is their essence. That doesn't make them "mundane", just more solid in a way, and instinctively tied to our animal nature. Which also makes them naturally gifted, whereas we have to work for it more. They allow more to flow through them, for better and for worse. To dislike them is to dislike the world, and you can cultivate a love for both; they can teach you to love things you don't love yet.

Cultivating love is the best thing you can do, changing both your desires and reactions. If you respond to everything by seeking what you can learn from it, you can grow with light and love. Framing is everything.

I'd recommend The Way of the Superior Man for general women-dealings; far more eloquent and in depth than I.

In addition, women/this world are containers, and grow through love. What you expect of them is what they adapt to (to an extent), just as they've adapted to this world. Yang is guiding.

So basically. The world/woman is mundane because you think it is, but it also has the potential to be amazing. It adapts, whereas man/yang leads, creates, grows through adversity.

Someone here said souls are androgynous.

So she can have plenty yang principle. But if you've got a masculine core, you won't want hers to be that strong, probably. You won't be attracted to that.

>The only 2 friends that I have left, at least listen to my spiritual blabbering without laughing and then returning to mundane pursuits immediately.

The thing is… waking people up early doesn't usually work. People find the path on their own, and living an awesome life is what will make them want to be more like you.

The spiritually ignorant are like starving people. If you feed them a whole loaf of bread (knowledge), they'll die (or their natural interest will).

Khan I think mentioned specific ways to talk to people about it; being more questioning (do you believe in a higher power?) bc that makes them reframe it as if they asked themselves somehow. I don't know the details.

But yes I've made my friends sick of spiritual preaching too. Then I figured out

A) I'm not fully living it, and my obsession with sharing was egotistical (so their protests helped me tone down my ego. The farther you get the harder it gets to have an ego. Try dmt or mushrooms in a high dose or ayahuasca or lsd to break your ego. Once you realise higher consciousness you see the things you're doing to yourself/others and ego dissolves/"you" die).

B) I was feeding loaves to the starving.

Use your reactions to others and others' reactions to you as a metric. If you preach too much you'll probably attract people who preach too much (maybe crazy ones! then again some are here ;) ), and you'll hate it and hopefully realise "OH. Of course, this is how I sounded."

I don't know what goa is.

Maybe look for transformational festivals/events. There will at least be drug shamans and people with good energy.

Good luck. I've been in there and worse places for a long time, and only finally have reached into the light. Your will and your love for/attention to yourself are the things that attract what you need.

I've still got a ways to go.

You are welcome; in helping others we help ourselves.

[Though one should not seek to impose one's ideals on others, which I've only stopped doing recently]

Namaskar.

>>62913

about the pink/green waves thing, I imagined a divine being sending them. Could be anything for you. Your divine self, the divine masculine/feminine, that which goes beyond duality.

In any case, my heart chakra had a poor flow as well; drained me terribly. I could let it out but not in, causing me to distrust.

Osho's Book of Secrets (tantric text) speaks of transcendence of dualities. Duality is what fuels the physical world, the demiurge.

Choose a method of centering and be that.

Either everything is holy or everything is unholy.

I choose everything to be holy and of the light and chosen for my advancement, so my perception is that I learn from negativity/drive much of it away. That doesn't mean I don't face adversity, but I always believe it is the amount that I am strong enough to handle.

Go into a deep meditation and choose the path you want, whether it looks slow and gentle, or steep, or steep with slow bits.

>>62854

What would you recommend reading instead? IIH seems recommended by anybody. Is it worth reading because it's a compilation of other sources?

It's also the only book I've seen fire/water/air/earth and magnetic/electric shit in.

Also, a question I replied to reminded me of something that's been in the back of my mind for a while. What can I do to appear as more confident and suave? I feel pretty good right now but I haven't a gf or the confidence to talk to women in seriousness (I can do humor) since I've started felt great about myself. Really a pathetic question, but I'm sure I'm not alone in wondering this.

>>62895

Wicca is a new age fad, and what women believe so they can be unique in not believing in abrahamic nor atheist religions.

>>62896

>Why are most women worthless, filthy animals

Because society and degeneracy makes them want to fit in. It's unlikely to find a "proper girl".

>where do I find a proper girl?

Normally you'd find a good looking girl who's as pure as they can get these days and be as dominant as possible to get her to be submissive and "proper". But I really doubt you'll be able to convince a girl about metaphysics, even the redpill is hard to swallow and that's all physical.

I have heard that you have somebody of the opposite sex meant for you and you can bring them closer to you doing something but I am not sure what.

>>62912

>Try to appreciate their company, and you'll probably be introduced to the other people naturally. Just interact with them a little less if you don't vibe well with them, or if they're too negative for you, let them go/stop responding

That's exactly what I do. But ultimately, you'll have to drop every acquaintance that didn't become a real friend at some point. This is the whole realization.

> I was a shut in for several years and then he took me to a retreat center

Dude, I don't know what to say. Congratulations on such a significant transformation, I guess. Going from shut-in to wizard through some mundane retreat center definitely shows how pursuit of higher things is your destiny. Being a shut-in loser was just the symptom of denying your higher self's goals.

>Volunteer work in other states/countries. Travel, and you'll meet people.

Actually this is what I crave constantly. Foolishly, I don't make it happen because of mundane activities - university to be specific. It's really a tough decision whether I should drop all mundane pursuits now, because if I drop university, a return to a normie life with a job and all the material safety will be impossible in this life. My age and job experience (zero) actually forces me to finish uni now and then get entangled into mundane working and debt-paying for a long time. That will also mean that traveling will be impossible for a long time.

Or I drop uni and start traveling, spiritually developing but also never having a normal life again.

…actually the decision is already made, I'm just too much of a coward to let my mundane life behind. Also I'm really attached to the expectations of my parents and family. They would be really disappointed if I became "a hobo without a job".

Fuck, I need some push to make the final decision. Currently I'm subconsciously manipulating all my university efforts to turn out unsuccessful. I fail exams almost on purpose and stuff like that.

Fuck, I'm too attached to this mundane shit. Wat do?

>yoga classes

Come on, almost every Western Yoga class is blue-pilled bullshit.

> Chakras are like muscles. Also blocked by traumas

Yeah, no shit. I'm traumatized as fuck on my heart chakra, but I don't even remember why.

Thanks for the tips though.

>Khan's thread talks about working with chakras

Yeah, I know. In fact, I started reading it yesterday and I just randomly opened some ebook and it was a Mantak Chia one. Fucking Magick, how does it work?

>It's because the divine masculine is the unmanifest potential, consciousness.

>The divine feminine is the physical world.

Exactly my thoughts when i wrote that statement.

>To dislike them is to dislike the world

I actually do. That's why I put the Ironpill as my posting-flag. War against this demiurge shithole full of suffering.

I don't understand why Buddhists and other spiritual systems teach to love the world?

Life is suffering, there's nothing to love about it.

>they can teach you to love things you don't love yet.

That's like fooling myself to accept life in a pile of shit instead of an heavenly paradise.

For some yet unknown reason, I feel disgust for the physical existence.

Maybe this disgust is the source of my yang-inclination, or the my yin-yang imbalance is the cause for my disdain for the physical.

I don't know what's the cause and what's the effect here.

>The thing is… waking people up early doesn't usually work. People find the path on their own, and living an awesome life is what will make them want to be more like you.

Yes. One of the friends almost doesn't respond at all - At least I got him to believe in higher-dimensional beings by showing him that the human eye can't even see infrared waves.

The other friend listens with interest though. He's a red-pilled Hitler fanboy atm, but when I tell him some small chunks of greenpill tier knowledge, I can literally feel how he's craving more to leave behind the mundane nazi redpill (Hitler and his crew allegedly explored the occult themselves, so it's actually not a big step from there) . Too bad, I can't really teach him though, because as you can see, I'm still learning myself.

> If you preach too much

Haha, don't worry. I'm still learning and restrain myself from teaching as much as possible.

>transformational festivals/events

Can you elaborate please?

>>62914

>Choose a method of centering and be that.

>Either everything is holy or everything is unholy.

That sounds really interesting, thanks.

I really dislike the writing style of Osho's books, but it seems that I'll have to deal with it once more.

>>62915

>Because society and degeneracy makes them want to fit in.

Degeneracy is obviously just the clouded minds of the people. Society is people cluding themselves, then other people and getting influenced by other peoples' clouds.

People creating lies that they later believe themselves in, same principle.

A proper girl would be one who isn't a slave to society.

Also an easy way I discovered to test whether you still are a slave of society's "rules":

Whenever you feel shame or ashamed because of your actions or the actions of others, in these moments you feel bad for breaking the unwritten rules and behaving "awkward" - being a slave of society that means.

When you no longer feel shame, you are free.

>I have heard that you have somebody of the opposite sex meant for you and you can bring them closer to you doing something but I am not sure what.

Damn, it would be really helpful.

Strangely enough, some skinny girl from my school days just appeared in my mind. She was very lively and energetic. Always kind and interested - maybe she's the one. I don't know though, she was a pretty normie gril. I even forgot her name.

>>62915

>I have heard that you have somebody of the opposite sex meant for you and you can bring them closer to you doing something but I am not sure what

I'm guessing finding yourself, improving yourself, going out and being you.

That is what I maybe would/should have done, but I met mine once I seriously started on the path. I've been and continue to be around significant negative energy, but I'm strong enough to overcome/change it now, and she definitely helped me get there.

>>62918

>Dude, I don't know what to say. Congratulations on such a significant transformation, I guess. Going from shut-in to wizard through some mundane retreat center definitely shows how pursuit of higher things is your destiny. Being a shut-in loser was just the symptom of denying your higher self's goals.

Ha. Yeah, aside from occasional visual guided meditations, I was hardly a wizard.

It was a fantastic awakening, though difficult.

It seems most well-developed people in esoterica have had some shitty shit happen to them.

Maybe most people, honestly, and only some find the Path.

> almost every Western Yoga class is blue-pilled bullshit.

that doesn't mean the subtle bodies aren't developed. A lot of fit people are psychic, they simply don't believe in it. And women are more open to that stuff.

fringe knowledge isn't too widespread, but that doesn't mean people aren't interested in it. I'm sure a lot of people would love to be psychic.

>I'm still learning and restrain myself from teaching as much as possible.

that's good. I definitely had a "my way is superior/ tv,etc is garbage" complex for awhile.

>transformational festivals/events

actually not too much; I haven't been to one. But a friend of mine who is of a similar development level has been.

Probably just energy/idea/drug sharing. I think there's music too probably. Different people are there for different things. google transformational festival/event.

>A proper girl would be one who isn't a slave to society.

>When you no longer feel shame, you are free.

so I assume that sex/drug use or any such thing isn't a factor then, since it doesn't matter what society thinks.

I don't tend to feel shame for much or for long, but I do feel anxiety.

The girl I mentioned has a problem with similar issues of shame/anxiety.

It's a duality, and it's hard to decondition/unlearn without serious development or some drug use.

>she was a pretty normie gril

people change (:

>>62924

the take here is that prohibitions on the occult are just people who don't want the average person to have power.

As a long-since former Christian, you're surrounded by hypocritical people and a hypocritical religion. That doesn't mean there isn't good there, but your religion is based on being ashamed of yourself.

Sex is only for procreation, despite it being a natural impulse.

suppress yourself because you're evil. etc etc.

Then again you might be trolling, since you have a pic of thoth… lol

>>62927

I mean the general message is hopefully that god/jesus loves and protects you. I've called upon Jesus to save me when I am assailed by negative energies, but I don't need to anymore because I am no longer bound by Catholicism.

That doesn't mean I don't appreciate the energy of the thoughtform/Christ consciousness, and I can still access it. I am very thankful for having been raised in a spiritual family, even if Catholicism as a whole may have stunted my growth in some ways.

Another problem I have with Christianity is the fact that everyone else is going to hell because they haven't accepted Jesus, right? Buddha went to hell, I assume. Doesn't matter how good you are.

You didn't answer my problems with Christianity, but that isn't really a big deal, since any organization has problems. Religion is generally silly and spirituality (finding your own path) is better. Starting by using someone else's is decent though.

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Through Tantra you and your partner can move to elevated states of awareness/consciousness and truly “know thyself” in ways that nothing else can touch.

Tantra is truly the bridge to higher consciousness, and that is precisely why organized religion has tried to make all sorts of rules and taboos to regulate it. They have deliberately created so much guilt and lies about sexuality to guarantee that you will not be free to explore and express your True Nature, the authentic God or Goddess within!

If you never know the God/Goddess with in, you will always be looking on the outside of yourself to find “God.” This way, “they” have control because you believe they have the roadmap and an “In” with God. They set themselves up as a mediator to Source…and you would NEVER want to cut off your link to “Source” …..Therefore, they “OWN YOU!”

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If you believe in Christianity and haven't explored the ideas of other religions your spiritual growth/knowledge of "truth" isn't too significant, unless you've meditated enough to become Christlike.

Christianity's message has been changed a lot over 2k years, even if Jesus did exist as he's said to. (he's certainly not a white dude, ha. but that is a convenient image to show white people to go kill those brown people in the holy land [crusades]).

>>62929

If Jesus existed, he might have gone to India and learned how to channel the god energy inside of him to create the miracles he did.

Anyone is a miracle worker if they are close enough to god.

I intend little to nothing to do that goes against divine will. I just don't subscribe to a religion of guilt/control.

Well wishes to you, friend, and good luck on your path. I was once in or near your shoes.

>>62911

look within

Whoever shared aibi.pdf saved my life. I hope you see this message.

>>62961

>aibi.pdf

share it back you mong

>>62888

Emotions, are there for now, at a certain point in your life, when you'll have a strong energy body and will have experienced multiple kundalini risings, the knot in the heart chakra will go away and your emotions won't be influenced by the outer world anymore.

For the moment, it is needed to experience them and transmute them to the best of your abbility, see this as a day to day excercise.

At a certain point, however, all your emotions, good or bad will be channeled into spritual development, you won't be able to feel anything for others, you'll see your friends as useless, physical things as illusions, possesions as prisons, family as mere genitors and the rest of the world as a shadow.

At that point, you'll probably need a retreat from the modern world, until, your heart knot is unlocked.

Then you can truly live the bodhisattva way.

Look into Kriya yoga and especially the thokar excercise.

On the subject of just trusting the divine, it is something that has to be learned and practiced day to day, I'm a big fan of the Voice of God method in the Book of knowledge, apply that to your life until you see results and enjoy doing it.

From personal experience, the voice of god method at first only works for inner situations and phenomenas, but when it is culivated, it also starts to work on the outside world.

>>62850

He is trying to get a point across.

None of that health shit is required at the end of the day to get shit done.

If you can cultivate the right mental framework and train your own mind with proper meditation, you can consume pigs asses covered with mayo for breakfast and all day and still do proper magick.

Does that mean being healthy and maybe alkalizing your body won't assist you in the beginning? Maybe. Depends entirely on your mind.

Your final goal is to not rely on anything outside yourself to accomplish shit.

People think humanity is hot shit.

>>62915

Reading IIH is nice, good introductions to the elements, I actually recommend reading it a couple of times, the theory part is okay. The practice is the thing that is shitty, but understanding the underlinings of it and what it tries to (improperly) develop in the student can be useful and a starting point for you to develop your own intitiation system.

There is no complete initiation systems that doesn't suck, even the inner orders one's are pretty crappy, simply because initiation is a personal matter.

Initiation is about creating the proper conditions for a student to be able to do the "real practices".

Those are the general things to develop to be a proper and grounded practicioner instead of some schizophrenic mentally ill retard:

1. Being Healthy, strong and flexible, you don't want to be sick, break a leg or not be able to properly and comfortably sit still while you try to tame your mind do you ?

2. Not being stupid, life is already hard enough. Do some intellectual activities that develops your critical thinking skill and genius. Healthy skepticism is essential, follow some scientific news source, learn to only believe your own personal experiments, they are no demons if you've never seen one and haven't examined and interacted with them properly, they don't exist for you, until, you have physical proof that can not be denied as anecdotal or dellusional. Learn to enjoy these things, they are pretty fun.

3. Develop intuition and find someone/thing that gives a good source of information. It can be divination, contact with entities, inner guru's, using your subconscious/collective consciousnes, a real guru, insight meditation, divine help,…

Remember to extensively test the answers you get, one day, you'll go through something no one has gone through around you and you'll be in need of help, you don't want your source of guidance to fuckup when you need it the most…

Develop introspection, you are not doing it right unless you end up to the conclusion that you are a piece of shit that knows nothing and come up with realistic plans to better yourself up.

4. Meditation and concentration. Taming your mind is necessary. Everyone starts by this but not many people understand that if you do not develop your physical body, intellect, intution&introspection, taming your mind is impossible. Do the necessary sacrifices it takes to have a stil mind. If you have to avoid stimulation and an exciting/rajastic life in order to get it under control, do it until you don't need it anymore. If you have to live like a shaolin monk to get results, do it. If you have to change jobs/school because it gives you unnecesarry things to worry about, do it.

5. Energy work, become good at it, insanely good. You aren't good enough until you can spontaneously manifest an object on the physical plane just by shaping it with energy and giving it enough for it to manifest right in front of your eyes. Do this gradually, first get aquainted and master inner energy work, get in touch with powerful energies, kundalini, divine energies, akashic states… Then, you may try to learn to create thoughforms that affect physical beings, then try to use this skill to produce things such as pyrokenesis or telekinesis, then try the manifestation of an object, straight from the unmanifested to the physical plane, the manifested. In the process of developping your energy body, you'll gain all kinds of supernatural powers and when you are good enough, people will even call you a magus.

After that, you choose your road, you'll have enough knowledge on what to do next, enlightenment, immortality, rebirth in a subtler plane of consciousness, rejuvenation, body jumping, … your choice.

Do and read whatever you need to develop these. You can do it however you want, in whatever form and steps you need, it's a really personal stage of developement, some like the yoga/tantra, others like hermeticism, others like the pagan traditions, heck, even a proper wicca system if carried out in the right way and coherently will turn you into a complete human.

As a wise men once said, "just b urself".

It takes time, a life time, but really, if you are getting into this without being ready to show dedication and discipline, you won't have any lasting results.

tl;dr:

>Be healthy, strong, agile and flexible.

>Don't be stupid.

>Develop intuition and introspection.

>Get the mind under control.

>Master energy manipulation, everything is energy.

>Just b urself sun. Do what works and discard what doesn't

How do you test a thoughtforms lifespan?

I mean, wouldnt simply thinking about it revitalize it? How do I know that the thoughtforms that I created are functional, and that others are not? Is it the emotional charge associated with them?

>>62924

>everything discussed on this board is evil

"If the fool would persist in his folly he would become wise." - William Blake

>>62896

You cant find a decent girl, because you are a filthy and worthless animal.

You don't deserve a woman, you would not know what to do with a truly special woman.

Stop feeding your ego with this bullish that you are this spiritual awesome dude, you literally act like the fringe version of the fedora dude. "I am too much of a gentle man, women don't value that". No faggot, its that you have an over inflated ego that does not allow any criticism for yourself, and only criticizes women and others.

The reason why I am so harsh on you is that if you don't get what I am saying to you, you will remain without your spiritual GF for a long time. And judging by the disgusting post that you wrote, you really need a lot of maturing before you deserve a real partner woman, boy. Yes boy. In more spiritual terms, you are not a mature masculine energy, that is why you cant attract a mature feminine energy.

>>62975

not that guy, but what exact energy work are you talking about? Is the thread about it here on /fringe/ enough? Or should I rather look into some books on it? If so, care to give any recommendations?

>>62986

Anything that works with you.

To find it, it involves a lot of binge reading and "chaos magick" aka, doing random things until you find what works.

Robert Bruce's book on energy work is a good start.

>>63005

Have you reached a point where you can manifest anything?

>>63007

Nope, haven't dedicated myself to create and manifest random stuff between my hands out of pure energy yet.

For the moment I'm trying to controll and harness kundalini energy for practical things and generally continuing to strengthen my energy body and practicing hardstyle Qi Qong.

This is not to boast about my achievement, but to show that they are multiple ways of training the energy body, literally thousands of ways and hundreds of disciplines, once you find something that works, you have to stick with it though.

One doesn't build a well by diging small holes at multiple locations does he ?

>>62960

Not a particularly helpful answer tbh fam

>>62982

Now look at that edgyposting, let me give you some loosh fam:

>You cant find a decent girl, because you are a filthy and worthless animal.

I won't deny it, I'm a straight ridah

You don't wanna fuck with me

Got the police bustin at me

But they can't do nuttin to a G

>You don't deserve a woman, you would not know what to do with a truly special woman.

Tantric practices and Sexual Magick are the highest possible forms of interaction with a woman, everything else is too mundane tbh. But maybe I'm wrong, please inspire me.

Do you want me to do animal things with her? How do we ever raise to a higher dimension with an attitude like yours? Fedoras are at least right on this one, that's why you hate them - you don't want them to tell you what a filthy animal you are while they are imperfect themselves. But at least fedoras try to change, you just keep being a half-monkey and accept it as spirituality.

>you have an over inflated ego that does not allow any criticism for yourself

it's a useful defense mechanism from mundane bullshit like yours.

>boy. Yes boy. In more spiritual terms, you are not a mature masculine energy, that is why you cant attract a mature feminine energy.

Actually you're right on this one. I even look like a boy. But that's just appearances. Actually I can be any energy that I want, but I prefer to keep my masculine energy at bay, so I don't start raping bitching cunts like you while embracing my animal existence.

>>63033

>I won't deny it…

Look at your reaction. That was my point. Would you like this energy projected towards you? Then how can you expect to manifest a high level woman, if you vibrate with " i need a filthy woman to do my magical practices". You attract what you vibrate. That is my point.

>Tantric practices and….

Yes, it is the highest form, but again, how do you expect to reach this position of a healthy spiritual sexual magic, with looking at her like an animal with a single purpose, using her. How is this love, or if this word terrifies you, how do you think it will effect the connection for your magic practices… ?

Fedoras are a stereotypical liars with a mask of a "good guy". They create an intellectual structure of what relationships is, what women are etc. Pure intellectual, foul bullish. Based on a fear of actually experiencing reality. A true warrior, wizard or simply lover is born from experience. The same with women. How can you expect to reach any healthy heights in your spiritual path, if you devalue a different polarity than yours. Its simple energetic imbalance. You have a feminine side in the divine yourself, and any unhealthy repression in that sector is an imbalance.

Listen, the reason why I am talking to you, is because I see my past self in you. A disregard for the feminine will not lead to healthy development. Luckily, in my case, I had a vision in one of my meditations in which a feminine spirit came to me, and revealed the nature of the feminine. Also, for one reason or another, I am what women consider a friend of women. I had plenty of experience with them, which started with yes, PUA like yourself. It felt fake and shit. And from fake persona evolved to a natural and honest relationship with women. This is my experience talking. You ask how to get GF. This is the advice of someone who actually has no problem getting a GF. On top of that, 80% of my time was spent in two relationships, around 7 years in total.

Believe, not believe me, I just think that with your attitude, you will either: not get a GF and stay bitter, get a GF and fuck it up with your passive aggressive attitude towards the feminine(this shit ALWAYS comes out)

Finally, lets get back to the real world. Having a GF is not just magic sex. Its also responsibility, care for another human being, raising children, every day bullshit. In a tight space like that, every little shit comes out. And if you wont deal with it now, it will come out in the middle of a relationship as a volcano of shit. You will be hurt, she will be hurt and anyone else involved.

Your call.

Hello. I've been living in a trailer park in Detroit for a while now. I have a bad case of HIV. I was fucked by a man named Learningcode who transmitted it to me. He told me that the only way to cure it is by Smiley's magic. Please help me.

>>63033

>I won't deny it…

Real shit, muh nigga, straight up.

>Tantra and Sex Magick

Don't be a silly westerner, you don't do tantra with a women/external tantra when you are not an inner tantra master, if you were, you could find a women in less then an hour.

Tantra is union of the different parts of you to make the complete self, it's the esoteric branch of Buddhism, please, go learn you some basic knowledge.

>>62918

>That will also mean that traveling will be impossible for a long time.

Balderdash. Hitch hike. I've personally been thousands of miles on no more than 2 dimes. And if you really need help do not be afraid to ask or go to church and ask. Find farms via word of mouth, ic.org, WWOOFing, etc. Music festivals/hippie concerts are also good places to look and ask.

Do you fear death (change)? Do you crave evolution (growth)? Then really do something about it, worry not. Pray and ask for help from God and it shall be given. Walk by faith tempered with intuition and just do it.

>Life is suffering, there's nothing to love about it.

Do you want want to become more God-realized? God is love. Become more loving.

Regarding chakras/the heart. You can do simple affirmations; 'I am love' and/or chant tones; YAM, to stimulate your heart chakra/center of love and compassion. You can also do much more, but this would be a good basic start.

Is it possible to be an effective wizard and still masturbate? Or do you waste loosh with each orgasm?

Sorry if I sound mundane af. I'm looking practical green pills, something to encourage me to study what's on this board. This video by Michael Talbot helped a lot.

https://youtu.be/6rgYz_BU2Ew

Sometimes I feel like I'm scared of developing myself. What the fuck is wrong with me and how do I fix it?

what does robert bruce get wrong since people suggest him for astral projection?

>>63079

the reason i say cause he believes in reality shifts and the idea that the person i talk to today isn't the person i talk to tomorrow sorta frightens me.

>>63045

>Tantra

>esoteric branch of Buddhism

It seems you need to learn some basic knowledge. Tantra (apart from Vajrayana) isn't related to Buddhism at all. It is older than Buddhism itself.

>>63045

>>63089

And Tantra is a far more complex system to sum it up in

>union of the different parts of you to make the complete self

If I would have to sum it up shortly, I'd say that Tantra is a system of worship, personal empowerment, acquirement of siddhis, bhakti, bliss and liberation.

Even this brief summary won't do justice to Tantra which is so multi faceted and can lead into many different directions. Especially considering how many Tantrik schools there are and how many various tantras were written, each having a different type of Sadhaka in mind.

If mental transmutation is the process of alchemy, is it the same process for turning lead into gold (figuratively)?

>>63091

>>63089

>It seems you need to learn some basic knowledge. Tantra (apart from Vajrayana) isn't related to Buddhism at all. It is older than Buddhism itself.

Please… I'm not talking about shitty hindu shamanism. If you are still doing that, you should probably start to learn about the other schools. And I'm not talking about Vajrayana, which is only the prerequisite for actual High Yoga Tantra.

>If I would have to sum it up shortly, I'd say that Tantra is a system of worship, personal empowerment, acquirement of siddhis, bhakti, bliss and liberation.

Through which means Sherlock ?

Yes the control of kundalini and experience of the elemental discharge to achieve enlightenment.

I don't really have time to debate with people who have no experience of what they are talking about and who read three books to get their "facts". But I'll still post this, it might help some one.

Tantra is pretty simple, underneath it's highly traditionalist and ritualitic aspect, there is a simple essence, the Buddha simplified the discipline, but couldn't go to the core of it, he lived and showed how it was done simply, but because people weren't ready yet, they needed a ritualistic aspect to feel safe, he instructed them about the middle path and Vajrayana stemed from it, but just like any religious traditions, they were secret teachings which just like Christian Gnosticism, is only the most important and essential parts of the puzzle and a clear and concise roadmap to siddhi's and enlightenment.

"The revelation of God is contained unto one point, it is only Man that has made a mountain out of It."

”Its power is perfect, after it has been united to a spirituous earth. Separate that spirituous earth from the dense or crude earth by means of a gentle heat, with much attention. In great measure it ascends from the earth up to heaven, and descends again, new born, on the earth, and the superior and inferior are increased in power.” ~ Hermes Trismegistus

>>63095

Why do we incarnate into a certain race over another?

>>63106

>shitty hindu shamanism

You can leave the shitty part out and not get triggered, let's say extremely bloated over time by shitty human's interpretation.

>>63106

>shitty hindu shamanism

It's sad that one who claims to have the highest of truths is so easily moved by the fact that someone else's opinion may differ than his. It's also sad that you don't respect the roots from which your practices grew. Either way, that "hindu shamanism" IS Tantra, whether you like it or not.

>Through which means Sherlock?

It's elementary Watson. Mantra, Yantra, Sadhana, Mudras, chakras, Kundalini, meditation etc. Through the whole of Tantra practice. If you have to ask by what means one achieves that then you do not know anything about Hindu Tantra.

>no experience of what they are talking about

>who read three books to get their "facts"

Are you projecting something?

>everything else that you said

What you are describing is Buddhist mode of practice. I don't insult your system, because I know it's worth. You insult mine, because you lack knowledge of it. I simply like when things are called as they are. Tantra as Tantra, Buddhism as Buddhism, while you want to convince other people that only your truth is truest and anything else is just bunch of nonsense.

My point was - Tantra isn't a branch of Buddhism. If you claim that it is, you don't know anything.

>>63109

Furthermore, if you really think that Hindu Tantra is just primitive mumbo jumbo than you should really do some research as it is a highly complex metaphysical system.

>>63109

>>63110

>"hindu shamanism" IS Tantra, whether you like it or not.

I missused laguage (again) I made myself kind of clear in the second post of why I qualify it of shitty, because i finded it over bloated and that much of it's divine nature has been lost. But yes, you are right, it is Tantra. And if you have the mind and affinities for it, it can be a fantastic road ahead.

> If you have to ask by what means one achieves that then you do not know anything about Hindu Tantra.

Wow, you know, that was a rethoric question for what followed…right ?

>Are you projecting something?

I am! You should probably investigate more about psychological projection, it's real world aplications and derivatives though, it's not as simple as "I'm doing it, therefor I say someone else is doing it, because it'll make them feel as bad as me doing it"

>You insult mine, because you lack knowledge of it

Sorry that you took that as an insult, like most people, I generally don't develop my ideas fully, which I should and sometimes I'll just qualify something as shitty without using the proper words and explaining what I really meant by it's use.

This goes without to sayig that on a text based form of communication it's a pretty shitty (here I am again) flaw to have.

> your truth is truest and anything else is just bunch of nonsense.

Again, that's another case of me not explaining clearly what I meant because I spent much time going through it and at the end came up with a simple assosciation for my mind to recall the full details and subtleties of the conclusion.

> Tantra isn't a branch of Buddhism. If you claim that it is, you don't know anything.

Kay, next time I'll be over pompous and keep on using "High Completion Stage Yoga Tantra" instead of just describing the path I took as Tantra…

Little missunderstandings can make us both lose time, I'll take that as a lesson to try to express myself clearer next time.

Great day to you, heard you wanted to fix your sadhana later today, (might be an other anon) well, I can only encourage you, I've been doing the same and I can say that an efficient and logically sequenced practice really helps to conquer boredom and lazyness :)

>>63115

Yeah, lets just leave that at the misunderstanding. I have a great deal of respect for Buddhist Tantric practice and I'm interested in learning it myself (although I don't suppose I would leave the generation stage quickly).

My reaction was also caused by many severe misconceptions that people have about Tantra. You know, sex magic, or as you stated it "hindu shamanism". I'm fed up with it.

>I finded it over bloated and that much of it's divine nature has been lost

I could try to convince you that this is not the case, but you have your opinions and that's fine. Tantras are practical and straight to the point. Just read Kaulajnana-nirnaya tantra for example! Of course, one must made oneself acquainted with some Sanskrit names and terms, but occult knowledge is never given on a silver plate.

>Sorry that you took that as an insult

Truth be told, "shitty" is an insult, but nevermind that, I found it insulting that you think that Hindu Tantra is… well… useless? Filled with nonsense? That is not the case, but whatever, you cleared that out.

>Great day to you, heard you wanted to fix your sadhana later today, (might be an other anon)

Some other anon, but nevertheless, great day to you!

alright folks explain to me how thoughtforms really work. I've seen so many different explanations and none of them explain it clearly or anything, what I know is that apparently you make a being in your mind by thinking about it and give it a name and purpose, I however have no idea on how to know if it's still there, or how to speak to it, or how to effectively charge it

>>62896

Sluts are honest women, females who suppress their sexual urges for no good reason are ridiculous. Men don't get called "sluts" for having plenty of sex but are instead seen as alpha males, why are women shamed for having too much sex? Sex feels good and good feelings make life worth living. Personally I'd rather have a sexually open girl rather than some stuck up high horsed princess.

>>63125

>>>/tumblr/

Is /fringe/ as powerful as the illuminati? If not, why?

>>63120

Second this.

Is there anything esoteric I can do with silver and gold? I buy bullion and I have it sitting in my safe.

>>63135

Meditate with (feel) them, much as you would do with any crystal or mineral/stone. Everything has a vibration, so do metals. In alchemy gold is not the highest ideal nor the result of the philosopher's stone for nothing. Silver is a lunar/receptive/yin energy. Play with both.

>>62901

>Think about it; we're all energy/vibrational beings

I want new age to leave.

>>63055

Same guy. Is there a specific Chakra or something I should focus on?

>>63141

>Stating a metaphysics fact is now newage.

People need to understand that they mimic actual shit sometimes and that just because it sounds all comfy and familiar doesn't make it newage.

>>63120

this tbh

>>63107

Affinity. When the soul is preparing for it's incarnation, it'll vibrate towards an ambient in a similar wavelength, to say so. If in your prior life you ended with a lot of carnal desires unfulfilled, you'll tend to an environment that can help you fill the need; if your soul ended up lacking spiritual guidance, you might be reborn into a more conservative family, from where you'd grow that lasting bit you needed before you can rise beyond humanity.

Of course, souls are not omnisapient and may miss the shot in the long run, ending in even more unfulfilled needs and experiences.

>>63120

I'm no expert, and I´ll answer only based on what the Arcane Teachings has to say about them.

Thought-forms are condensed thought-clouds, meaning they're a set of vibrations on lower planes of matter that stay attached to each other because of their affinity, call it Law of Attraction. Thought-forms are one level beyond the clouds because they're animated by the Thinker, who has invested thought-force into them, by repetitive and intentional investment of thought, passion, emotion and Vril.

The common thought-cloud is dispersed some time after the Thinker stops giving it attention, but the thought-form becomes "alive" on a lower plane of existence because of the investment of energy on it, and can engage life-sustaining activities such as moving and feeding if left alone. A thought-form will tend to places with vibrations similar to its own, and absorb thought-clouds to sustain itself if the original source of energy runs dry, but unless extremely rebel or strong, it can always be tamed by the Thinker or just about any strong mage to fulfill a purpose.

The correct way to bring a thought into existence is investing mental power unto it. Consistently and thoroughly, giving it a body and a name to make it easier to condense the thought and the energy. You can use your different mental and spiritual capabilities, building it around Desire or Will. Of course, the more you exercise your mind, the more you can invest in your creation, just keep in mind to do it consistently, so the thought doesn't vanish or dissipate into the ether, feed it with your thought and remember to have it under control, otherwise you might find yourself leeched of energy.

>>62941

If the Christian church isn't controlling, you must have grown up someplace nice.

It was too oppressive for me (Christian parents, really, I suppose), and why would anyone who learned about Christianity through the Christian church want to be a Christian?

Maybe you know something I don't, in "secret" teachings or just standard ones. I don't see following Christianity as useful. Knowledge of Christ/god energy is fine, accepting it might be fine, I don't know for sure. It certainly saved me from things.

But for all I know, it caused them in the first place. Beings of darkness masquerade as beings of light, and beings of light are painted into beings of darkness.

(Lucifer is in one of the two categories, and I have no idea which, to be honest)

Not that I believe it caused them, but it doesn't matter anymore because I no longer "rely" on it, exactly, and simply the idea/vibration of the divine is there if I need it again. (which, as far as I know, I do not, as I have a solid divine connection [though it has to be maintained through meditation etc until I'm "permanently" in that state])

Do you know of Kundalini/energy work? I wonder what you think of eastern religions. Tantra is finding the power within. There's a tantric meditation added to the meditations thread now.

I don't know that magic corrupts the soul. I don't believe it, either. Perhaps some forms of it, but that really seems like something someone would say because they're afraid of people who use magic/want it only for themselves.

What's the difference between magic and miracles to you? As far as I know it's the same thing applied in different ways.

Is focusing on a goal and meditating on it magic? Does that corrupt your soul?

That's basically magic; the law of attraction. But everyone does it when they have any desire whatsoever. Some people are more aware of pulling from Source energy.

Maybe you think of magic as spirit summoning or contracts or something.

Either way, I don't think either of us will convince each other of anything, but it is interesting to note.

I have little ego invested in this type of thing, and am more interested in energy work and developing some abilities of vision/ being aware of divine will and saying what I should/hearing what I'm supposed to hear from others.

As it stands, I can calm people, but people don't trust their feelings as much as their brain/words sometimes, so I'd like to be able to tell them something about their situation that they need to hear. To give voice to the quiet whispers of deceased/divine.

I think being able to manipulate elements would be fun though. Not sure if I'll do that beyond learning martial arts that seem appropriate to the element.

One thing I had a problem with dogma of "you'll go to hell if you haven't been baptized/saved by Jesus".

Is Buddha in hell? Non-catholic saints?

I'm sure you know better the problems I can bring up, because I haven't tried to pursue conflict/denial of other people's safety blankets recently. I find church a nice place to meditate, though I haven't been there recently since I got more energy sensitive. But imagining the divinities in us coming together is powerful, and the energy was powerful even when I wasn't sensitive.

I recall getting hot meditating in church once at a Christmas mass, and my family members nearby felt it.

I wasn't sure if it was the actual temp or the energy I was manipulating

(not intentionally. Simple Japa meditation using the first 10 words of the Lord's Prayer as a focus, focusing on the words one at a time in order to be better able to focus on blankness between. Wayne Dyer stuff from The Power of Intention)

Hope you haven't gone; these are the answers about which I am most curious. (:

>>62941

If this

>>63174

is you, that may have answered some of my questions here >>63170

>>62912

also, Khan answered this in his qi/energy thread.

">>62906

Think of it like this. Your computer has a 600 Watt power supply and comfortably remains stable. You then proceed to plug in two graphics cards and start having energy problem.

Your electric anatomy needs time to heal and develop. To be able to strengthen the cables so it can withstand more energy. Also remember to store extra or unused energies in the lower dan tien as this will keep you more energized.

As for tension I've found it to be like this. Any form of tension in the body will create a block. You could even say that the tension "is" the physical manifestation of the blockage.

Try to wrap around, relax and push through the tension. Always focus on relaxation as this allows a proper flow of energy in your bodies cycle - Microcosmic orbit."

Are there any decent greenpilled podcasts you guys listen to?

What do people think of /catscradle/?

I don't know what to think of it, since it doesn't say much of anything…

but I want to learn more about it… I think?

[later: eh, whatever. doesn't seem useful, and I'll find it on my own if it ends up being true]

I suppose I'm still in the state of wishing for gnosis instead of focusing on just being. I should stop that and meditate more.

>>63194

I listen to GnosticNYC podcast.

How do you restore sanity.

>>63197

Map out your mind, find the dissonance, follow it to its root, invoke the proper elemental correspondences, bam sanity restored.

It's no different doing it for someone else either btw.

>>63197

http://8ch.net/fringe/res/50246.html

http://8ch.net/fringe/res/59552.html#q59558

try these, but I don't know, I'm not too crazy.

>>63198

Note about this: it not only restores sanity but also increases the amount of available energy that can go towards productive ends instead of being wasted in dissonance.

Can someone give a good NLP resource for once please?

>>63205

Or you know resource on mind control in general?

>>63198

How would someone go about doing that.

How do I find just ONE person at least who wants to approach magick "scientifically" like I do, doing experiments, actually attaining and mastering and testing out all the abilities, actually DOING magick beyond the typical shit people use magick for?

I am sick of people into symbolism, synchronicities, shitposting, and ego-tripping.

Yeah, there is symbolism, there are correspondences that can be made, there are many ways to use symbolism, etc.

I blow the minds out of mundanes and neophytes who keep pushing me to read into symbolic stuff. It's easy.

I don't care about that shit. I don't like vagueness and spiritual mumbo jumbo that goes along with a lot of people into the /fringe/.

oh and yeah I see the synchronicities. Stop getting worked up over them and you'll experience even more intense ones too.

Majority of faggots want to use magick for really boring every day reality manifestation shit like money and relationships and so on and are generally undisciplined, weak-willed, lazy fucks who don't want to walk the long walk and really cover all bases.

I've tried to find one neophyte that is worthy of me but all of them either give up a little while after they get confirmation and have a few experiences they don't seem to want to press on further, some give into fear, many get distracted, many more are just lazy and don't want to put a massive effort and work over a very long timespan to achieve amazing results.

I need a magickal partner who is serious about psychokinesis, mind-reading, using the astral productively not just fucking around, mental influence, deep trances, psychomancy, mediumship, etc. someone who is developed enough and determined enough like me to actually wield immense elemental power.

Nobody makes the cut so far and one thing all these unworthy neophytes all share in common is they spend way too much of their time everyday on inane banter and shitposting or they're cowards.

To Know

To Will

To Dare

To Keep Silence

If you don't have these qualities or don't make them your own you will never be a true magus.

>>63207

You have to map out all the information you have about a person and begin a chart mentally (you may also create it physically as long as you don't neglect creating it on mental level as well) where you start mapping out a person and putting together all information you know about them and examining the desires behind their every motive, thought, etc. and you look at the patterns / cycles in their behaviour and see how they respond to things and so on and you keep mapping this out into an bigger and bigger map noting the connections and interplay between these different things and taking note of which elements predominate in every case.

Eventually when you map them out enough details start filling in automatically including stuff you didn't know beforehand.

If you're going to actually draw this on a board use one of those huge white paper boards you can buy and use alchemical and elemental symbolism mostly so you don't run out of space as you place each piece together. I just do it entirely mentally.

You should gather a lot of astral light for this and let the subject manifest through it.

When you succeed you'll have evoked the person and you will have a map of them which lets you gain control over them and as for the dissonance that occurs anywhere that conflicting desires are found to be cancelling each other out and creating problems. Tracing them back through the web of desires linking different aspects of your being, through many memories and experiences and through those patterns and so on, you eventually can put an end to the dissonance and free up a lot of energy that was going to waste. Dissonance is like trying to crank a window open while at the same time having a chain in your other hand that is attached to the window which you are using to pull it shut very hard. You're applying conflicting desires against each other and getting nowhere. You need to align all these desires in your being so that they are all working in harmony and can be 100% directed and concentrated to a single point and you will become healthier and more sane.

I forgot to mention fragmentation but that's also an issue. Heavy emotional traumas break up your mind and you need to defrag in order that one awareness penetrates it all and shares in the knowledge of your whole being. When parts of your mind are so fragmented that they operate completely independent of your mainline there can be problems, you can have negative entity attachments / weird programs that undermine you and fuck your shit up. It's ok to compartmentalize the mind in some ways and also to create and use magickal entities that separete from your field of consciousness to do work independently of you but there are many ways fragmentation can be undesirable and lead to you doing things you don't even understand because different programs are getting activated and turned off and you have amnesia about it.

>>63140

>don't make your own thread

>ask here

>nobody answere

this board is gay

>>63212

What happened to moving on, changing your lifestyle and not being stupid ?

Fixes 99% of the problems anyone has on this board…

Methods to abstain from masturbation?

>>63209

Shouldn't you be able to find one easily if you're that advanced? Would it work with the implanting your desire into akasha method?

>>63221

Looks like smiley posted that, the guy can't even fix his own insomnia and cut bread, let him talk a lot, nod your head and move on, no one has time for a dellusional wizard…

What are /fringe/'s recommend methods of charging sigils? I've been using the ejaculation method, but it feels as though I'm letting my energy go to waste by doing so. What should I be doing instead(keep in mind that I'm incredibly new to all of this)?

>>63226

Some methods I have seen listed:

Staring

Visualization

Pain

Burning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2meRmXFO_54

I also tried holding the paper in front of a burning candle in a dark room so the sigil is backlit and focusing on it for a while, then burning it.

How can I get better at talking, being more charismatic, energetic, and knowing what to say and saying it?

>>63209

>Majority of faggots want to use magick for really boring every day reality manifestation shit like money and relationships and so on and are generally undisciplined, weak-willed, lazy fucks who don't want to walk the long walk and really cover all bases.

This is why magic shouldn't be common knowledge like some people here believe.

Why would you need a partner anyway? Just about anything can be achieved solo in our line of work.

Also to the apparent influx of newfriends who are asking questions that were answered in pretty much every past question thread and are pissed that nobody is responding, I welcome you to check the archives of those threads as the answers to your questions have been answered by numerous people many times before.

>>63227

Much appreciated

>>63223

>>63223

>>63223

I reckon this.

What is a good grimoire for non-Goetic entities? In particular I am looking for old European gods.

>>63209

>To Dare

And yet you're looking for neophytes to practice with because you're scared of other initiates?

Neophytes like me are still learning, you won't get much quality practice out of it. Except if you want to teach them, but I doubt that.

>>63209

>I am sick of people into symbolism, synchronicities, shitposting, and ego-tripping.

>they spend way too much of their time everyday on inane banter and shitposting or they're cowards.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=psychological+projection&ia=about

>>63212

Try dying and reincarnating it is effective for achieving what you want.

>>63244

I don't care if you're an initiate or adept.

>>63245

Wow someone is buttblasted.

>>63233

How are you going to test out telepathy and a number of other things without a partner?

>>63221

Not easily but it can be done also my question isn't serious I can answer it myself.

>>63249

So where do live, fag?

At least tell that so you can meet up with other people.

>>63251

I already resolved the question before it was asked. It's rhetorical.

Hint: I opted for creation over finding.

Never try to find and search for what you can create.

>>63234

>>63234

>Please help me out on this one.

>I fail to see how the feminine manifested nature isn't just a product of the masculine creator nature.

As I understand it, the divine feminine is being that flows anywhere, like an ocean.

And the divine masculine is consciousness without being, but can guide the divine feminine.

I'm nit sure if they both create but the feminine with less direction, or what.

Maybe without the feminine the masculine couldn't create?

>>63234

>If I decide to start working after that, extensive traveling won't be even a possibility anymore because jobs are a fucking prison if you don't want to settle down yet.

There are traveling jobs. Working trade shows, sales, for two. You can learn a craft/trade and do that too.

Or be homeless. I don't thinj it's the worst. I don't want to do it,though, bc I have lot to learn and do where I am.

>>63234

>I will lose my ability to find a well-paid job later. I have to decide between freedom or safety.

Ehh. I don't think you need a degree to get a well paid job if you find the right one amd the right people. (Mb work your way up over time too)

Which theoretically a wizard can do.

>>63259

>Maybe without the feminine the masculine couldn't create?

Sounds reasonable.

>There are traveling jobs.

You don't get to choose destinations though.

>You can learn a craft/trade and do that too.

That's what I would do with finishing university, but I will pay my precious lifetime for that.

>I don't think you need a degree to get a well paid job

In my country you do.

> work your way up over time too

Sure, working for 20 years until you have a good position sounds gud enough kek.

No, seriously, work just sucks if you want to get around. Best option for wizards would be stock trading, I guess.

This one you can actually do from anywhere around the world where you can operate a computer with internet. But even getting into this topic is so mundane that it hurts.

>>63125

>good feelings make life worth living

Forget sex, if you really believed this you would be an opiate addict, or does some part of you recognize that hedonism does not give life meaning?

>>63132

The illuminati tremble before /fringe/'s awesome ability to harness the power of pure shitposting and epic meme magic.

>>63214

There's a thread for that.

>>18822

>>63120

bump

Where can I find the books in the OP?

>>62804

can someone answer this please?

>>63271

Spoken like a true christ-cuck.

>>63287

I wrote a muuuch longer post than you did. I'd appreciate it if you'd grace me with at least an attempt to reply to it.

>>63290

1. Little to no knowledge of the occult, meditation, kundalini or eastern practice.

Why am I not surprised?

2. "There is no power within"

Than why are there "Forces competing for my soul then?"

3. "…because we are on this earth to glorify God."

Just because you like to spread your ass for the demiurge and say you like it isn't going to make me want to do the same.

>>63260

>You don't get to choose destinations though.

True, unless you're selling an invention of yours or something.

>>You can learn a craft/trade and do that too.

>That's what I would do with finishing university, but I will pay my precious lifetime for that.

Hm. One can make or sell stuff too. Some kid on Shark Tank made ties and made a business doing that.

or buy something at a garage sale, sell it online (Idk I read it on a site, flipping stuff).

>>63260

>>I don't think you need a degree to get a well paid job

>In my country you do.

Ah, ok.

In the US, I figure one could get some certification or another and start doing things on one's own. Or get like, reiki or massage certified, charge for that.

Yeah, topic of work usually sucks.

>>63271

>Christian theology is the most advanced theological system in the world, and it works to describe the nature of God to the greatest extent which logic, reason, and inspiration allows.

I dunno, Osho's Book of Secrets is a tantric text which seems to do it pretty well imo.

I wouldn't claim any one system is best though; what works, works.

>>63271

>I will admit that I know very little of the occult, and I only understand very basically the ideas and practices you mention. I don't know much about Kundalini, energy work, tantra, or eastern religion. I do know (or at least I believe. I could possible be wrong, and some magick could possible come form yourself), however, that there is no "power within".

I can't say one way or the other. Any power within may be from external sources, or possibly not.

Humans/animals are inherently psychic, and that seems like magic to some.

I don't rely so much on "my" power as the power of my "higher self" and connection to the divine.

The answer I've found for myself in terms of God is that I/one should meditate and refine oneself, and develop whatever one is drawn to, in order to grow into a channel through which divinity flows into the world. In my case, it's in a capacity for healing.

I can control the emotions of people around me, and emanate an "angelic" aura that calms others. I was on a bus the other day with a woman who was crying, and I gave her positive messages (you are safe and protected, connected to the divine) along with a heart chakra connection. She definitely felt it.

I learned that stuff not through Christianity, but it's not like it can't be learned there.

Taoism and energy work/qigong are quite useful, and have no mention of gods/beings that I know of.

I'd recommend you read the thread on here about that.

Kundalini/energy work makes one a stronger presence, and in this way one has a larger effect on the world around.

As I said, I develop to be a divine channel, so it's the energetic equivalent of working out so that one can help carry something better.

Not related to any entities, simply bioelectric energy, though it goes beyond that to subtle bodies.

>>63271

> can answer your question about non-Catholic saints

Oh, I meant non-Christian saints, rather than non-Catholic.

Like Buddha.

Thank you for the response.

oh and there's the idea that there's a battle between false beings of light and darkness, where both are actually dark.

So dark beings posing as angels, etc.

This is part of the demiurge, keeping this world as it is/in illusion. I don't know the full details but there that is.

>>63295

>2. "There is no power within"

>Than why are there "Forces competing for my soul then?"

Good observation.

>>63249

I don't mind helping you. If you are to accept a neophyte like me as an assistant. I just stumbled upon this board so I haven't had a chance to start a practice.

>>63296

I meant to reply to you. whoops.

>>63260

>You don't get to choose destinations though.

Depends on the job. I work in Data Entry and I'm going to start traveling around my country starting next year, I've been thinking about moving into some more rewarding job like programming our web design, I could work through websites like upWork (formerly odesk) and live wherever I want.

Programming is fun and it can be learned on your own, also the good thing is you don't need a diploma or having been through college, most companies I would say don't care where did you learn something as long as it's the thing they rant you to do. How many other fields of expertise have the same amount of college dropouts who made fortunes just by hitting a keyboard?

Does the number 93 have any significance? I keep having people quote it at me when I'm trying to discuss esoteric shit and have no idea what I'm supposed to take from it, if anything.

>>63314

i know for 93 (which, fyi is 31*3, prime number three times, dunno where to go from there tho) sure its something to do with crowley/thelema, an important number in that belief system. wait for someone with more knowledge on this for confirmation though.

>>63310

>I think much of the occult is evil, so I do not know much about it.

Question is, what is evil anon ?

Can you tell me exactly what is evil and has no use for spiritual development? How would, "this is evil, I'm telling ou it is evil, therefor it is and thus I do not know abut it" be nothing but circular logic? Jesus knew and had mercy over prostitutes, if you can not understand the meaning of this, that All the Divine is reflected in All things, then I suggest you either study harder or stop studying Christian Mysticism, do your own experiments and come to your own conclusions. Knowledge of Good and Evil only comes to the seeker…

>Christian Theology's fullness would never fir in a single book, nor a library.

Agreed, the bible, if you don't count the misinformed translations and interpretations, is a perfect book. However, are you perfect enough to understand it? Do you think annyone who only swore by one point of view, be it christianity or "evil occult" can be perfect? One thing I know is that he wouldn't show true kindness and understanding to all of creation and another thing I know is that thatthis is supposed to be the first thing a christian is supposed to do… Didn't Jesus said himself that nothing from the creation of the most Holy has impure ?

>There seems to be spirituality outside the Church which is not evil, albeit imperfect

How so? Can you even proove your point? How do you define imperfect. No one has killed for that "imperfect spirituality" you talk about, yet, Templars have slaughtered countless mens and innocent womens and childrens without even wanting to know about who they were.

> but as the capstone of every religious tradition, all of which were (and are still) naturally flawed in their understanding of the Uncreated.

That's funny.

You are saying that as if you looked and studied all as much as you studied christian theology, don't be silly…. God manifested in human's time and time again in the form of "prophets" and "revelations". The revelation of God is progressive and coherent. There is no highest or lowest and the message christianity gave has nothing to do with theology,

Moses came for ou to love your race and family, Jesus came for you to Love your brother, no matter the race and family, Muhammad came for you to Love your Nation and religion and some would advocate, but you'll call them heretic and blind yourself to the facts anyways that Baha'ullah came for you to love the world, no matter, race, nation or religion, to instaure unity in diversity in this new inerconnected Age.

This goes far beyond the main monotheist religions and can go even further then Zoroastranism and Krishnic Faith.

> Man cannot know Infinity.

Yet he can become the perfect image of God and thereby, know the perfect reflection of infinity. He can even dissolve and merge with the One when he so desires.

Man cannot do these things, but who said you should stay a man?

>Meditation can never allow man to know what we admit is Unknowable. Only if God himself shows us the way, can we have salvation.

Yet, jesus had to isolate himself from the world and meditate to be able to reflect the rays of God.

Which are casted upon All, at the same time and same intensity, but only your capacity of reflecting them is stoping you from reflecting the One.

The guy wasn't perfect in the beginning, sure he was a special and calm child highly intelligent maybe, but so was hundreds of geniuses, no, what made him different was his personal development and search of Truth, Within. Saying that all inner development is just folly and an attempt to exhalt yourself as god is either deep misunderstanding, stupidty and generally a savory mix of both that one mistakes for Ambrosia.

>Gotama Buddha is in hell because he was not saved by Jesus.

Yet you didn't consider this important question. Who saved Jesus? Why would you be saved by a man instead of the Divine? Isn't the Divine in All things? Is it then such a mistake to look for it inside if he is the building block of all things, the base, the end, the Alpha and the Omega?

Guess it is, well, I'll go burn in hell, that seems perfectly logical.

>separation from God

Buddha united himself with God.

Please…Check your shit…

>Judgment is a subject which we leave alone a little bit.

Just like death and when it comes you are scared as hell. Why? Why blind yourself to one of the multiple facets of the manifestation of the Law of God?

>the rest you said about Hell and Heaven.

You know that all this heavens and hell is just a simplification for the simple human mind right? I hope you understand that reality is much more complex then Good vs Bad…

What is enlightenment? Is this guy https://m.reddit.com/r/enlightenment/comments/3vl1b2/enlightenment_in_a_nutshell/ right? I've come to the same conclusion as he after years of thought. Is it really this simple and insignificant?

>>63322

Yeah I'm coming to the conclusion that enlightenment is to understand the game or God, nature, light. To know the rules of it and how it works(mathematics, geometry, frequency, vibration, etc). Being the laws of light (7 hermetic principles) and of the circle or cycle.

But I figure this is only the first step. Once you learn the game you get to become a strong player in it. You get to become a self actualized God. The world is your playground where you express yourself.

>>63325

I think I understand it now. This is when the pendulem starts swinging back. This is as far as philosophy and understanding can carry me. I've hit the wall, come to the end of the path of understanding, and now I turn around and walk in the other direction, looking at everything from behind and seeing the world in a light I never thought possible.

>>63322

He's right, enlightenment is realizing the absolute truth, however following the path of the absolute when one has a finite mind is impossible, thinking or qualifying the state of being free from the mind as insignificant is the proof that we have not freed ourself from the body and mind yet.

One of the most effective ways to do this is still through the practice of these disciplines which have been proven to give one enlightenment in an efficient way, these includes but are not limited to yoga, tantra, martial arts, meditation,…

When the body and mind has been fully controlled and completely mastered, freedom fro m the mind can arise, naturally, it's constructa and duality start to faid away and then, completely disapears, this is what the yogi's call samahdi. An extremely blissfull experience.

When freedom of the mind is achieved, then, one can see the absolute truth in all things and see that it has always been there. He is then called an enlightened being. The blissful experiences only arises from controlling and freeing ourself from the mind and body, the same way as a prisoner experience extreme pleasure when he get's out of his prison. Then, the actual progressive experience of progressive and natural enlightenment can begin.

>>63310

>I think much of the occult is evil, so I do not know much about it

HURRRRRRRR

Could you please stop blogging in the question thread? Start a dedicated thread instead of shitting this one up.

I've been reading The Science of Breath lately, and I've been having trouble figuring out "Rhythmic Breathing'.

I get the concept, just breath in time to a count, but I haven't been able to feel like I'm getting anything going. Does anyone have a clearer explanation of what you're supposed to do than the book provides?

assumption : anyone who takes hinduism/tantra/mantra-japa seriously can not believe non-whites are inferior shitskins or whatever name-callings that 4chen /pol/ comes up with.

assumption : since media tries so hard to convince everyone is equal, no speciality in human races, just what you can 'achieve' in the system, no uniqueness, therefore races _must_ have some fundamental differences, not merely trivial physical ones.

given both assumptions are true, what is your honest opinion on the differences in races - on all levels, not just physical. please give as complete an answer as you can and tell me if i should make a new thread.

>>63336

>>63338

to expand just a little more on rythm, stand up, place feet steadily and little wider than your shoulders, transfer weight in a soft motion from one foot to the other until you get a rythm going, make the transition better with each plant of a foot until there is no resistance, no hard step on the ground, no large force exerted on a single joint or step.

continue until you wiggle like a snake, left to right, let the rythm and motion transfer from your legs, base of spine, up through your body, through your shoulders, into your arms and ultimately your head.

this is a very good, potent exercise.

>>63249

>How are you going to test out telepathy and a number of other things without a partner?

By using them on mundanes and then asking them what they were thinking and doing at time x and describe what location they were at.

If your experiment involves telepathy as specific information transmission just head to the /fringe/ IRC where someone might help you. I tried it before but both me and my partner got pretty blurry and inaccurate transmissions that held the basic form of the image transmitted but were generally skewed based on the current mental states of us both.

For example due to the lustful state of my partner when I sent him a scene of a wedding he received lips in greater focus than the rest of the scene.

>>63293

I think it's worth keeping to a tight schedule of about 8-10 hours of sleep per night depending on whether it's the weekend or not. Nothing /fringe/ about it though, I don't like wasting time on sleep and I feel broken if I sleep for too long.

>>63329

>the same way as a prisoner experience extreme pleasure when he get's out of his prison. Then, the actual progressive experience of progressive and natural enlightenment can begin.

Prisoners get entangled in the mundane life sooner or later though and lose that blissful feeling. How to not lose "samadhi"?

>>63337

>anyone who takes hinduism/tantra/mantra-japa seriously can not believe non-whites are inferior shitskins

I believe this is a false assumption. Women, for example, have less powerful biological abilities than men. However they tend to have a closer connection to the spiritual by default. So inferior races might have the same relation to that of higher races.

>>63338

>I can tell you more but you're going to have to be specific.

yeah what I just meant was a normal thoughtform/servitor, I'd be grateful If you could answer those questions I had

>>63343

what about it?

>>63346

After you form the thoughtform, how do you know that it's still there after some time? How do you effectively charge it and how do you see it and speak to it?

>>63347

assign it a form, a geometric pattern is good, a 3d form.. you focus on it during deep meditation, if you can feel its presence strongly you don't need to charge it.

you charge it, you transfer energy from you to it. imagine you siphoning power from your chakras to it, not the other way around or you might get in trouble.

you see it with your minds eye, you give it commands through thought that has the emotions of the thought.

>>63348

Any tips on how to see it more clearly?

>>63349

meditate on your third eye for a while then work with thoughtforms. envision your room, and everything in it. feel/see the room beyond your bed. spread your awareness.

train, doing cubes, circles, triangles, shapes, spin them, flip them over, color them.

sense the thought energy in the space where you create the thoughtform and mold it as you feel it in your presence.

good visualization also makes charging easier.

>>63350

Should I project the thoughtform in my room or in my astral temple?

>>63342

>Prisoners get entangled in the mundane life sooner or later though and lose that blissful feeling.

They loose the blissful feeling, largely due to their untrained minds, in tantra, when one achieves their samahdi in the form of internal union, they are allowed to experience external union with a women, their vows of celibacy end and they experience external perfect union.

One thing that the yogi can do with his absolute control over the mind, is that he does not need to reexperience the external union to get the benefits from it, he can recall it and reexperience that memory extremely realistically as if he was experiencing it right now and with a little bit of time and will, he actually experiences the bliss of the external union, in the physical world with no need of a partner.

After samahdi, all forms of tools and crutches are droped and one's spiritual developement is to experience and keep that state of samahdi in all things he will do.

And when he chooses, to abandon his physical body, at this time, he will have tons of options since he has a complete control over the death process. From transfering his consciousness into another body to reincarnation in subtler planes or buddhafields or to bathe in the eternal samahdi and perpetual union with the Divine (Nirvana). He can choose to do all of these things and even more when he wishes

>>63351

>>astral temple?

Looks like we got us one o dem fancies over here fellas.

And I ain't sure weather or not we take kindly to your folk around here…

Dunno. If you're adept enough to make the vicinity your astral temple it doesn't matter. (hue).

If you can't copy your surroundings and make a stable thought replica, use your astral temple.

>>63355

I fucked my first gf of four days for seven hours and couldn't for the life of me figure out how to cum, I learned during that spectacle that you can be both good and bad at things, and that you shouldn't mess with tantra.

Nice dubs but stop implying idiocy while pretending to be superior, it only harms yourself in the end.

>>63353

>>63355

I think you guys misunderstood, by astral temple it's definetly not something fancy, it's just a constant workplace for all my astral rituals I keep in my thoughts, I can't full OBE astral project yet, but I do all my evocations/invocatons in that astral temple and it works, the only problem with thoughtforms is that when I try to create them they feel very vague, like there's no definitive thing there that I usually feel through evocations/invocations

>>63358

>make sigil of command

>meditate and empower paper

>make thoughtform out of burning paper

>envision sigil wreathed in flame

Thoughtform 101

If it doesn't stick around, cum on the paper next time. While thinking about the command.

>>63359

>>63358

That is probably not the type of thoughtforms he is reffering to.

Read the magical use of thoughtforms and the creation of magickal entities, in the huge mega.

>>63360

Why don't you tell me instead?

The thoughtforms I use are servitors to attract or bother, non sentient spheres that I feed power so they can roam around me.

How are they different? Whats he looking to do?

They work best if given one task, making one out of a sigil is great for that purpose, base program/command to enhance mood/give headache/make me stand out/lift the atmosphere.

>>63364

I was refering to thoughtforms more as an astral programing language then a practical magic servitor.

For example, a thoughtform of that kind would be able to use various sytems of divination, make conclusions out of them and clearly show the results from these probabilities to give them to you in an easily understandable way.

The concept can be improved upon and with further work, you can find yourself with an iron man style Jarvis thoughtform that would act as an artificial intelligence to manage stuff in your life, set reminders, catchup on some events, calculate probabilities and give notifications when events that would likely result in a positive outcome appear for you to be able to know that this "thing" is worth "investing in".

That's just one example, you could have thoughtforms to assume certain attributes, a thoughtform that would read one's aura and other charachteristics of a person and even a person's path of life, previous incarnations, main struggles, unresolved guilt and all the information they have imprinted in the ether, (basically everything they ever thought, talked or did) compile them and send the knowledge to you on the fly so you can better know what people are thinking or how they are reacting and get information you would only be able to get through being the person.

It's a pretty deep field that is investiguated through intuition and practice mostly, even though books exists on the methods in which to start "programing" astral matter effciently, for the most part, the knowledge is gained through experience. Knowledge in the field of actual computer programing helps a lot in being able to determine the most efficient structure and flow, but also the side effects that a thoughtform could develop. If they are not tamed properly, these beasts will fuck you up. Note, I didn't say can fuck you up, I said will fuck you up. The stronger a thoughtform is the stronger you should be to control it. Making them is easy, nothing hard in that, but controlling them and their side effects is the hardest, just like babies, everyone can make them, but who sticks around and raises them ?

>inb4 ur mom

Oh also, bewae, it's one of the easiest paths I know where you can fall into extreme self dellusion and think that you are the great and powerful Oz when in fact you can't fix something as simple as insomnia.

Astral temples, mental palaces, even the akashic records are all thoughtforms…

>>63365

Everything but previous life comes naturally to me within seconds of meeting a person.. I have never had to make thoughtforms for these things.

I think everyone can achieve a high level of awareness if they worked on their energy body/chakras.

And yeah, I don't want to dabble to much with thoughtforms, they can easily go wrong.

But how are those thoughtforms different from servitors?

>>63367

>>63366

Calm down,patience is a virtue that has to be cultivated…

Basically it's just a subtler use of thoughtforming, you can do all of these things manually and with great degrees of accuracy, but that is why I used the similitude "programing language", what you are saying is "I can do mental math (clairvoyance) and I have a calculator (sigils and serviors), why would I need a computer for ?"

It's pretty much the same principle, it's all talking about math, it's all talking about thoughtforms, but in practice it's a lot different, you don't do mental math the same way you use a calculator and you don't use a calculator the same way you use a computer.

Basically, use the right tool for the job.

>>63366

>>63367

>>63366

Calm down,patience is a virtue that has to be cultivated…

Basically it's just a subtler use of thoughtforming, you can do all of these things manually and with great degrees of accuracy, but that is why I used the similitude "programing language", what you are saying is "I can do mental math (clairvoyance) and I have a calculator (sigils and serviors), why would I need a computer for ?"

It's pretty much the same principle, it's all talking about math, it's all talking about thoughtforms, but in practice it's a lot different, you don't do mental math the same way you use a calculator and you don't use a calculator the same way you use a computer.

Basically, use the right tool for the job.

>>63359

>>63360

>>63364

>>63365

>>63367

>>63367

>>63369

>>63369

Alright, I'm getting really confused now, so what a thoughtform is capable of depends on the way you create it?

How much hermeticism is there in the Kybalion? If there is none, is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Unlike many other people on this board, I´d like to know how to become a man.

Secondly how can manic-depression be cured? Best outcome would be just the manic part, but that just the other side of the same coin. So basic balancing?

>>63374

Don't Panic!

There is just two ways to do this, I'd suggest you read a chaos magick book like alan chapman's advanced magick for beginners so that you get the first method, which is basically making a sigil.

Then, for the second way, read "the creation of magickal entities" and "the magical use of thoughtforming" to know about the subtler ways of using thoughtforming.

Then experiment with both, take conclusions and note results.

>>63377

So do you feel weak or are you literally a woman?

>>63378

alright, I've used sigils in the past and they would give me results, but pretty weak ones, from what i've gathered on this site, these subtler thoughtforms you speak about should be much more powerful if powered daily by emotion

What do people think of the egregore of archangels; positive, negative? Demiurgic? Is invoking/evoking anything other than higher selves/beings beyond the demiurge (who knows which) something that holds one back?

Asking due to

http://in5d.com/why-i-am-no-longer-a-lightworker/

http://in5d.com/how-to-avoid-false-light-teachings/

>>63379

Neither. Not weak, just "pointless". I have no will power and everything I do is just annoyingly feminine. Actually my whole existence is more "being" than "doing".

I'd like this q that is in a locked thread answered.

Pulling information out of the astral 0 - Anonymous 12/03/15 (Thu) 08:14:43 No.62790[Watch Thread]

What are the best ways to acquire previously unknown information through the mind? Only thing that comes to mind are the akashic records, but it's a bit too advanced for a neophyte like me, some people reported pulling information just from meditation alone

>>63377

if you're a woman, maybe this in reverse.

http://8ch.net/fringe/res/58020.html

If you're simply a weak man, I'd recommend reading The Way of the Superior Man, listening to or reading David DeAngelo stuff, and doing energywork to balance out yin and yang energies (it's in Khan's energywork/qigong thread. you can overcharge on yang if you want/are deficient, but yin/yang imbalance can cause problems), maybe working with crystals to connect to the divine masculine (sunstone is one). Get muscular, rub your balls [or imagining rubbing balls would prob work if you aren't a man] and/or sex for testosterone.

>>62784

awesome answer! Thanks auntwatermelon, that is fun information. (:

that and the kundalini meditation you have seem like awesome info. I haven't had a rising that I know of (so probably haven't had it) so I won't do that one to the full extent yet but I appreciate it a lot!

Seems like I should read the other question threads for fun stuff, though that's the info that will be useful for me today.

>>63382

yeah, sounds like you're deficient in the fire element (from what I've read on here).

Get you some yang, mang.

The Universal Master Key and its applications might help (I don't know, but I've heard it helps balance the elements). I have no idea how to invoke the fire element within though, aside from qigong/meditation in/on the fire channels in the body.

>>63383

not a /fringe/ answer, but I was in a similair position until I started going to the gym, basically the problem fixed itself in about 6 months, but I'm sure you could just change your mindset overnight, try invoking your favourite role models you look up to, doesn't matter if they exist in this world or not

>>63387

meant for

>>63382

>>63315

The first thing that came to my mind is that in gematria the hebrew word El (Aleph, Lamed), meaning god or lord has the value 31. So 93 would be 'three times god'. Perhaps a reference to the trinity?

No doubt there are countless more connections that could be made here. I'm pretty new to gematria so don't take this interpretation as law.

>>62850

i already knew about the first part but i was essentially asking about the second part of your answer, yes. thanks for clearing it up, can't believe i didn't think of it myself.

What magic can I do to restore family relations?

Also what magic can I do to really know my ancestry and heritage? So I can know what cultures and traditions to follow and what spirits and gods to build relationships with.

Thanks

Why do I feel so at home and happy in graveyards?

Also, I started using the solar grounding ritual that's featured in another thread, and I feel a lot more energetic/passionate and it's a direction I really want to head in. Any way to up this practice?

>>63209

Wow. I feel exactly the same.

>>63276

>>1 ?

the mega link?

>>63367

You're talking to a disinfo retard who doesn't know anything.

Servitors are indeed thoughtforms.

>>63450

Wow, I'm such a disinfo agent provokateur from the NWO, shilling for edgyness!

Where did I say servitors were not thoughtforms ?

Last time I checked disinfo stemmed from ignorance, which has one of it's source in the non abbility to read properly. I could go on about how you might be psychologically projecting to hide your innability to cut and eat bread properly, but no, I'm a good guy.

Many kisses to you smileberg.

>>63454

not the board owner

>>63455

>similar tone

>similar triggers

>similar apparent flaws

>reposts using tor to hide his ip from himself and other mods indicating some form of personality schism coupled with vanity and the need to appear as powerful, trutheful and "generate"

>not smiley

Well then, I'll have to send you less kisses.

btw, I'm totally not Aunt Watermelon.

>>63457

Board Owner uses symbols and other silly nonsense as seen in the ecample of using beaheart "magic" and rituals like gnostic pentagram.

Why do my palms sweat all the time? I've been told that palms the palms are huge energy receptors/transmiters.

(In case of double post. The first one was an error.)

Namefags are the cancer killing /fringe/.

Thoughts?

>>63463

You've answered your own question.

>>63465 Yeah but what does that mean? Do I have an excess of energy or is something else is causing it?

>>63468

You're the guy Eminem was singing about. Mom's spaghetti.

(:

(but seriously I dunno)

Rolled 3 + 1 (1d13)

>>63428

>Why do I feel so at home and happy in graveyards?

tfw you're dead.

nah I dunno.

It could be ignorance of negative associations, connection to them, or just a feeling of peace from peaceful rest of the dead. I haven't actually felt the energy of a graveyard so I don't know what it feels like and if it is inherently positive or negative, due to spirits and relatives' vibrations.

>>63420

Try drawing in solar light [say hi to it (:], calming all of your bodies (first physical, then emotional [making it like a clear lake reflecting the light of the sun], then mental [breathing in light, breathing out lower thoughts/vibrations that dissolved in the light]), draw in your soul/higher self, imagine the divine light flowing into and through your heart, link at the heart with light.

If you don't do this with light and no real intention other than to share love, it WILL have negative repercussions; be well-aware of what you're wishing for. There's no telling when it will manifest.

>>63310

> I got a bit too zealous, expecting to be like a ray of light upon a den of vampires.

I imagine many of us have been there, and possibly stepped back due to figuring out that such a thing can be simply another form of ego.

Meditation is supposed to be the way to find God inside, the original state of man in "Eden". [My interpretation, which seems to be a decent interpretation of the creation story, where the mind is the overactive unnecessary bit that causes judgment/suffering]

I thought today of how invoking/evoking beings isn't really any different than praying to Saints. "The patron of lost objects Saint Anthony" or some entity. Either way, they are both pieces/aspects/"personality traits" of God.

>>63316

Excellent. Glad someone answered with more theological knowledge could respond.

The only thing is that Christianity says "Jesus is the only time God himself incarnated into human form" so some of the things you brought up are "trumped" so to speak by a closed mind-worldview.

I doubt Jesus himself said "I am god himself made into human flesh, heed me, for I am the only one that ever was or will be so". That's probably what humans said so that other humans would listen to the words of their church/be under their control.

>I hope you understand that reality is much more complex then Good vs Bad…

It doesn't seem so. That is a rather "difficult" lesson to learn when within the yoke of dogma. I think Osho's Book of Secrets was the first place I heard of that (transcendence of duality, all is holy or all is unholy to the tantrika or somesuch) and I was well-prepared to learn it.

>>63310

as AW said,

meditation allows one to be a more perfect reflection of the divine.

It gets one's ego out of the way (and/or refines it). One does more intuitive things, one speaks and loves more beautifully.

If Jesus himself came back, how would we know it? He'd probably be killed a lot faster/before his message got out, and/or smeared as crazy. Any big enough mental ward has a "Jesus" in it.

I'd be surprised if someone like you wouldn't assume it's not him, but that doesn't mean it's so.

Strong psychedelic dosages will acquaint one with death of ego, and force one to accept it or be in something of a nightmare/crazy world. Definitely helped me with my kundalini rising.

>>63322

coooool.

>insignificant

that's relative, as everything

>>63327

(:

>>63338

>When a man cums in a virgin his ancestors gets first dibs on reincarnating in all the offspring she has.

o_O

>theres a good book about the elements,

Universal Master Key?

>>63293

Oversleeping is totes a thing. If you feel you did, you did.

Sleep as long as you need to. You might have to force past sleeping too long out of laziness, but if you're developing in some way, you may need more sleep.

>>63345

>When guys get in to relationships, they still care about their careers, about their goals. Woman is their partner, but it is not their main goal. Women on the other hand, care so much about making your home clean, they enjoy cooking for you or any other way that they express their feminine care.(I know I am quite stereotypical, but its useful for a mind game to explain it).

The Way of the Superior Man goes over this sort of thing in detail. Great book.

>>63345

>With a woman, it is not possible to hide your flaws. Because she is a receiver, sooner or later you will become transparent to a woman(of course, this depends on the wisdom of the woman in question). So you know that little fear that you have, that fact that you might think that you are a pussy? She will know what. The fact that you are lazy? She will know that. Every little dark corner will be discovered by a wise woman. This my friends, is a true gift for anyone seeking the goals that we are seeking. Because sometimes, we lie to our self about how cool we are and so on. But in reality, we are not. And deep down we know that. A woman exposes that, and makes you humble. This is the starting point of true development. Because of my most important women I have found my biggest blockages. I can confidently say, that if it werent them, I would be 10 times the pussy, the idiot and a blind man than I am today. Dont underestimate the power of someone who can RECEIVE very effectively.

Yeah, the woman I found a few months ago… we could see into each other extremely well, and she tested me again and again, helping me drop one flaw after another. Didn't end up doing anything with her, partly because we resonate so strongly that we bring up the "bad" in each other, making it difficult to be around each other until we've gotten to a certain point. I think I've gotten to that point, but it took 4 months of deep development, and a long time before that of dropping much of my "self" and being open to near anything, at least mentally.

>Maybe read the way of the superior man. Its a nice book on male/female dynamic.

Oh, lol. You mentioned it!

Yeah, I found that balance is perhaps a better way. The masc/fem dynamic is what we are comfortable with but not necessarily always what we embody.

Or maybe I'm full of it and have a hard time being a man. Yet, that's the way I've accepted being less "masculine" than I know I can be. I'm a man, but not the man I will be.

It was hard getting over attachments to others, getting over wounded bits.

Most people just work with it/suppress it, and don't do heavy spirit/shadow work.

>>63316

>Baha'ullah

seems like a cool dude, even if it's hard for me to wrap my head around divine people being around recently/currently. But I suppose wrapping my head around it is what I'm not supposed to try to do!

I am attempting to love more and more as well, though I'm in sort of a bubble keeping me from dealing with things beyond my capacity, "luckily".

>>63477

>Universal Master Key?

ah yes thats the one, thanks.

>>63486

Congrats. The more you work with energy, the more intuitive you get and the more you figure out stuff that has already been figured out by old sages before.

>I think its some kind of lock.

Mudras do mean lock and they create a sort of a energy circuit that locks itsel to a particular spot so that all the energies absorbed by the body go to that one spot, which can be a chakra, a nadi, a meridian,…

Why don't you search "mudra list" on google though ?

>http://svetadance.com/en/mudra/index.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ivw3KxIPM

>tfw no qt hindu gf

And no, still haven't found it, closest i got was SARVAVASHANKARI and theres nothing on the net about it.

>daruru

>>63496

The same mudra, which would close the same energy circuit, can be done in different ways, if your mudra looks like another one, chances are it's either a subtle variation or the same.

looking for an explanation to a state experienced during recent meditation, its similar to the vibrations that might rock/shock you before you start astral projecting.

>lie down

>calm state

>finger and thumb no longer feel each others touch

>lie there, doing regular meditation, feel for blocks

>breathing and stuff trying to force sun energy down my crown, earth energy up my ass, the regular

>do.. something

>results in a feeling of floating and currents of energy, not moving through my body but instead ramping up

>instead of the flow of a river its like boiling water

>fluctuating, non circulatory energy that is "scaling up"

>as if whole body vibrates

>someone comes home, abort meditation

>exit this state of "boiling energy"

>like many times before during deep mediation attempt to move, think i move, don't actually move

i know the basics of AP but never really delved deeper into it, done it a few times, i know i'm dislodging my astral body, but i'm curious about this vibration state.

it wasn't like the vibrations that violently wracks the body before completely tearing the astral body from the physical.

it was a distinct feeling of energy boiling/buzzing.

do you know what state i'm talking about and what are the benefits of it?

>>63500

no you muppet, even slight changes in a mudra has huge impact, affecting the area of the body from east west south noth, directing flow and pressure.

change two fingers and you're pressuring the spinal disc towards your stomach and upwards instead of towards your back.

they're all different and the only way to find the right lock is to feel it.

>>63504

>wow, much hostility.

>such powerful wizards must be absolutely right.

Kay, whatever, what I'm saying is that the conscious energy circuit is what matters, you don't actually need to do any mudras when you understand how energy circuits work.

Even the Maha Mudra becomes useless once one success in the control, knowledge and understanding of the energetic nature of things.

But yeah, do it like you do so well, don't listen nor consider and especially, don't look at, might shake your view of things, you don't want your ego to be put in a position of discomfort do you ?

>>63510

okay.

>>63271

>This board is brimming with people who would like to become gods

Goes to show how much you actually know. Even as a lowly neophyte I still know of the warnings against wanting to become god. The most basic book warns you not to get overwhelmed by your abilities and think you're in any way godlike.

>>63515

Which book?

Yeah, I don't think I care about having personal power anymore; siddhis are pointless compared to seeing more of divine truth.

I want to start seeing people as their energy beings. Is that the "next step"? Are auras a good place to start?

I had weed and I am feeling like once I realised why I wanted cool things, it was just because I wanted to have power in order to defend myself, but I know that drawing in light is the way to do that, and I can rely on higher self/Spirit to do that.

So I pretty much just want to create and know reality at this point rather than learn party tricks.

Is the mind spirit?

Sorry for dumb question

>>63521

I don't think so. I haven't learned this in depth but I'm sure someone can explain it.

What is the point of learning things if we cannot "know" anything and belief is arbitrary?

Is it just the spiritual sexiness of having a large physical energy mental body?

>>63518

Good4u, now repeat this

>I want power so that i can use it to help others

Knowledge is power, and it will come to you if you take this sentence to heart.

Seeing auras is fancy but not necessary nor easy to do, what you should focus on is to be so in tune with the present and your surroundings that you instead can feel the aura, or mental state of others.

>>63521

>>63522

Mind is not spirit, mind is a lower frequency energy.

Ponder the summary of the Law of Vibration in Kybalion while playing with fire,or a warm object.

Being high is an option.

Feel free to touch the warm/cold object and think about what is happening.

>>63523

>What is the point of learning things if we cannot "know" anything and belief is arbitrary?

Things are relative but that's a faulty assumption.

https://www.reddit.com/r/enlightenment/comments/3vl1b2/enlightenment_in_a_nutshell/

if this is true are we just moving for emotional satisfaction in creating and expressing?

I recall someone said

>>63525

Um.

I just realised why people conflate fire with spirit, to an extent I am not even sure I should write it out.

I assumed this is true enough as a >>63527

start,

then thought about fire, and how if we're energy beings if we raise ourselves high enough we become fire, and thought of it like summoning higher spirits.

anyway,

all seems to be divine play, and I'm not fully sure why I'm here except to help others. but is there a point to doing that, or should I just go into "enlightenment" and lose my ego?

Is the point of development enlightenment through loss of ego or a refined higher ego?

>>63530

>Is the point of development enlightenment through loss of ego or a refined higher ego?

development as in learning?

i could tell you, but i think you would want to figure this out yourself.

>>63530

and is the way to sustain this sort of realization development? should I consciously train my upper chakras more? my heart is fairly well-developed, but my 3rd eye has been not powerfully activated other than by drugs or kundalini.

>>63531

yeah learning, energywork, excercise, sustaining high vibration. I mean, I figure we ascend to another place, but that's about all I know.

Alright, I suppose going farther isn't a terrible thing.

>>63531

>>63530

Sorry, I got that wrong. Thought you asked something else entirely.

While shedding the ego momentarily through development is something someone could strive for, its mostly something that just happens as you learn the higher truths.

The higher ego is the inner witness, you soul, the spirit which inhabits your body is always learning, but is also on a mission to evolve.

> figure we ascend to another place

Its kinda the question I first thought it was..

Basically you're asking what purpose of life & evolution is, do you want this answered?

>>63533

in my current state I think so, but if you think it's better to realise it myself then I guess I'm okay with that.

I just started seeing it as a game and not being sure I need/want to play games anymore, since I've started to stop doing so in all other aspects of my life.

Good to mention, meditation brings you closer to your higher ego by shedding your lower, mortal ego.

Good book about this is the Bhagavad Gita.

>>63534

long answer or short answer?

>>63518

Do you actually know how to attain siddhis though?

If materialism is false, then how does /fringe/ explain split-brained patients?

>>63535

Yeah guided meditations on light & love (there's also refining ego, I didn't do those…) have had me have an attachment to my higher ego, which is pretty unfazed by anything.

I should meditate more again to sustain that.

I fell out of meditation because I got sick, but that was probably a symptom of advancement/burning out for a bit from speed of that.

I'd love both, but if the long answer covers the short, that's fine.

I tend to appreciate details, and write a lot of them too, but if that's something I shouldn't care about then I'd want the short answer.

At this point my answer is that this is kind of pointless, and that I should merge the self that thinks it's pointless with the rest of me, assuming it's all a sea of love in the end.

I love being here (because of bhakti attempting), but my heart chakra doesn't yet sustain that enough, and I'm not sure if there's a reason to be here aside from helping others.

>>63536

nope. aside from "tantra books, meditation, other books". is any psychic ability a siddhi or are there certain ones that are siddhis?

The word siddhi also reminds me of the Vinayaka kirtan.

I feel like bhakti is soething I need to do in order to be loving 24/7 in order to ascend to a heart-chakra-based dimension if it's instant manifestation there.

I wonder if ayurveda is different for different places/more applicable in India.

For example, if a person goes by it and says x time of the day is pitta time, but because the sun is always out at that time in India, perhaps that doesn't work in the places not near the equator.

It would be awesome if prison worked to rehabilitate and remove structures of faith and division; now THAT is a next-level prison.

Seems like one could run a prison that freed people's minds.

I wonder if that would be destroyed by the world for being too good for it or if would be protected by divine will.

Am I going crazy? Ever since I've proved I can influence people and things, I've been worried people can hear my thoughts. I'll start thinking about somebody, and then panic thinking they can hear me and I have to force my brain to stop by imagining a screen of static followed by nothingness or something like that.

I heard having your third eye open without the rest of your chakras open can make you crazy and is the cause of a lot of crazy spiritual people, and I took a quiz that had a thread here and it said my third eye and crown were open and the rest were not.

>>63553

Prison is to generate money these days.

>>63555

Sure, they'd work for the prison so you could make money off of it while enlightening prisoners.

People can hear your thoughts if you think it loud enough and they're sensitive enough, but they probably will think it's their own thoughts unless they are trained to know what it feels like when it's someone else's voice. That is my belief of things that seems true.

nice trips

>>63555

thinking it loud enough = intensely, but it would probably take a significant time or meditating on the thought or a significant emotion for it to happen with a random person. easier if they like you because that probably means they like your vibe and/or are on a similar vibe or can get there without much effort

So I've been seeing real results in terms of psychological change from tarot, praying to gods (that I make up), and a modification I made to the solar grounding ritual featured in one of the beginner magic threads. While I'm only scratching the surface of all of this, it seems like I'm finally moving forward for once.

I'm reading through the introductory stuff, and that will take me a while, but in the meantime, I have a few questions about where to take my current practice.

I really like the solar grounding ritual, and the modification I made, which is basically basking in internal solar energy, seems to be doing wonders for my energy. I also seem to be able to cultivate this continuous orgasmic sensation in a similar fashion. It's more of a struggle to summon the solar energy, and a little bit of abstinence does wonders for the sex-energy side. Probably something I'm going to be doing for longer periods of time. Anyways, the cultivation is working, but isn't as lasting as I want it to be, at least with the solar side. Any thoughts on how to up the practice or make the changes longer-lasting?

On a related note, I'm dealing with some emotional stuff that seems to be related to a fire-element deficiency. It's definitely getting better, and the elemental change is starting to have a purifying effect. This is something I really want to facilitate. I'm taking on more and more of this energy. Any thoughts on this? Any good way to increase fire dominance? Advice on going through with the process?

Also, random life advice question: I'm looking for more adventure in life, and a reason to struggle for a worthwhile cause. I resent my comfortable and domestic life, and yet I don't see a way out or know what's worth fighting for. Any guidance here?

>>63562

Isn't that basically like scientology? People who joined are essentially prisoners but retain enough freedom to be successful and pay up.

>>63585

But scientology actually imprisons.

I was thinking more of a prison where convicts go that's simultaneously a rehab center and a place where they can be deconditioned of as much of their junk as possible.

newfig questions but,

What is desire? How does one manipulate one's self to feel it? I seem to have difficulty in this aspect of occultism, so much so that lately almost all of my spells I perform lately are blood magic. Only one though, the rest I deemed too trite to bother with the repercussions of blood magic.

>>63547

The point in aryuveda is that you are supposed to change and it's ever changing. The three doshas represent, the sleep, the dream and the waking stage.

Kapha is asleep, Pitta is dreaming and Vatta is awake.

You go from tamastic to rajastic to balancing both and naturally reaching sattvic. When sattva is reached,you cultivate the balance and once it's well cultivated, you are ready for liberation/doing practices that leads to elightenment instead of focusing on practices to equilibrate yourself.

Yoga is used for the equilibrium of the self.

Hatha is the base for all of them, then depending on your dosha you will do mantra, for kapha, raja for pitta and laya yoga for vatta.

And add other minor yogas if you need the kind of help they offer to ease out the path. Nidra to optimize sleep , Kriya to purify and cleanse,…

When the sattvic mind/Vata dosha has been well equilibrated and cultivated and success in the corresponding yoga (laya yoga) is reached, you move on to disciplines leading to enlightenment.

To avoid getting into another debate of "Muh what u said iz factually innacurate" (even though the counter argument only goes on further to prove the point…) I'll say tat one of them (and not the only one, like I want to say) is Highest Yoga Tantra, the completition stage practices of Tantric Buddhism. All the other enlightenement practices are simply different flavors of it, the principle is the same, However, HYT demistefies the whole mechanism of the system when understood and practiced with understanding and not blind faith in clunky ritualistic practices. All is just an Illusion.

All of the Yogas have to be builded up, together, in union. You don't pickup hatha yoga till you are a master and then move on to your yoga, no, you build both practices slowly and gradually. The Tantras can only be practiced when success in Yoga is reached though. Success in yoga is defined by a sattvic personality and a well tamed kundalini.

Have fun!

>>63540

I'll be back in a few weeks with the long answer. Short answer is to evolve back into God.

>>63503

did this again, i think i'm opening and maintaining my crown chakra, pulling in a constant flow. if anyone is interested in how, back of upper neck there is a sweetspot that you can stimulate, just focusing on it and willing it to tense just a wee bit and its done.

someone confirm please.

Has anyone tried MILD technique? Does it work? Any tips? I tried it for the last two nights but it never worked

>>63641

What's MILD?

>>63608

I wanna know too.

Rolled 3 (1d9)

>>63633

Thank you for the detailed answer. Are there any books you'd recommend about HYT?

Though I perhaps should just get into AP and pull from the astral/akash.

I've had difficulty with visualising but I'm probably getting better at it anyway.

Time to get more into yoga on my own then. I know just the places to get started. As for tantra, I am in the middle of Osho's Book of Secrets, so that's a start for additional meditations/basic knowledge.

>>63635

Ok. That'll do. Thanks.

Bhakti isn't boring, at least, even if I can lapse into wondering if there's a point. For now I'll adopt playful evolution & creation, which seems like an acceptable permanent state.

>>63645

It's the best way if you don't want to fuck up your sleep. Reality checks aren't time consuming and they do transfer over to the dream state if you do it enough.

This is gonna sound petty I know but is there some sort of charm or whatever fits the purpose that lets me work better when I'm among other people?

Someone skipped the line in front of me at the grocery store and I didn't do anything mostly because I feel like the energy I'd put to make him move back isn't worth the effort (I'm anxious around people). Some lady even mocked me because of it which hurt.

This is a reoccurring problem, I'm detached from everything when I'm not alone and doing anything around people is hard, like they're syphoning me out of energy by virtue of just being there and I wish there was a method, maybe something to do just before going out, that gives me more control.

>>63659

I'm reading your link and admittedly the situation looked really tailored around me for a series of reasons.

Thanks for the help, will look into something among the lines of what you described.

>>63518

>Which book?

The Kybalion.

>Chapter V.

>The Mental Universe

>… Some men, indeed, realizing that THE ALL is indeed ALL, and also recognizing that they, the men, existed, have jumped to the conclusion that they and THE ALL were identical, and they have filled the air with shouts of "I AM GOD," to the amusement of the multitude and the sorrow of sages. The claim of the corpuscle that: "I am Man!" would be modest in comparison.

And "The All in All" chapter works on it even further.

If we're all tulpas of god, why did god fragment his consciousness?

>>63656

>is there some sort of charm or whatever fits the purpose that lets me work better when I'm among other people?

try psychic protection stones, http://www.healing-crystals-for-you.com/psychic-protection.html

and then whatever chakra stone you think you need.

If it's inner fire/connection to angels, maybe golden labradorite.

more fire/divine masculine is sunstone.

>>63683

the lulz

>>63648

It's okay, keep it simple and sequenced.

For HYT, I recommend reading and understanding "The Practice of The Six Yogas of Naropa"

Keep in mind that this is Tantra, that means it is "ceremonial" and "technical". As in Yoga, while the practices have to be done correctly, the practices are not what is important to understand, what is important to understand is how those practices work together,what are their objectives and most importantly what are the core principles at play which make these practices work.

Simplify it for your own mind, just like Bruce Lee wisely says (paraphrasing): Take what works, disregard what is useless and to these things, add your own.

Don't be affraid of investigating, understanding deconstructing and sequencing these things to make them unite with your own constantly evolving and ever changing self. This has to be done at all times if you wish to have practices that suits you and promotes development, constant evolution and progress, runing water never runs stale.

At the same time, the individuality of the self, the ego, has to be developed and always chalanged. Adapting things to you if you do not change yoursef only leads to stagnation, they have to be done at the same time and intensity.

A book, a person and even the inner guru/Divine Intuition can not understand things for you, they can give wisdom, but at the end of the day, you are the one who has to understand the wisdom, understand it's correct applications and uniting it temporarly with your individuality (the ego). Before killing it when you don't need it anymore, death is evolution, death of all the illusions is enlightenment. Enlightenment is rebirth.

Alright guys, these buddhist terms are killing me, what are tantras, siddhis, and what are all these books I haven't even heard about surfacing here over the past few days? Most about yoga and such, how esoteric is yoga actually?

>>63691

The esotericism of yoga is inversely proportional to how deep you are willing to get into it.

>>63689

God is a union in and of itself but I wonder if there is anything outside God.

I suppose that's only possible if one thinks of god in finite terms, but hm.

Is the nature of god cyclical? Cyclical how? Hm. So is every universe simply god knowing itself in a different way?

Does everything merge together at some point? Is there anything left at that point? It's hard to conceptualize complete merging. Perhaps it's never complete so long as there are archetypes, and then when archetypes cease there is nothing? So then the nature of god is creating all and then merging again. It's hard to know what merging is, is it "dark?" Is that what

>>63693

I thought yoga is kind of like an additional tool to manage the chakras, is there something else to it?

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Śiva is? Consciousness, infinite potentiality. The Dao.

It responds to its own thoughts, creating them infinitely until the thought experiences love and it is released, moving to the next thought.

When citta vritti nirodha, what happens?

I suppose a cycle of "nothingness" that could be forever but there would be no time so it would it have any conscious experience? But it's a warm nothingness I feel.

I'm probably going at this too intellectually.

>>63694

As said by Patanjali, yoga citta vritti nirodha.

Yoga is the cessation of the turnings of thought was the one translation I've seen.

Many meanings in the sentence though.

It's a merging together, a yoking of different aspects of self into a higher self. But it can build one's ego if one isn't careful, and one needs to also overcome a lower ego to merge with a higher ego.

There's a lot to it, but in a large sense yoga is one of the paths to god. Osho in the Book of Secrets says it's a longer path than tantra which seeks to realise god rather than work toward becoming more godly.

>>63695

alright, and what exactly is tantra?

>>63683

Think of it this way. Keep in mind it's only a metaphor.

The sun, the Light, God. Is bright and amaizing.

Then, by a work of Love, it decides to create a mirror, for it to be able to see Himself and enjoy his perfection.

He then proceeds to create a mirror. In which he can see and enoy his reflection.

We are the reflections on that mirror, god's reflection, different faces of Him, different degrees of Him, God is the sun, the One thing, reflected in All things.

Thus All is a reflection of the One. All that is above is reflected in all that is below and all that is below is a reflection of all that is above.

Now what is the nature of a reflection then?

An image, that looses a dimension, it looses a realm of experience, a 3d thing can only be reflected on a 2d plane, a 4d thing can only be reflected on a 3d plane.

Thus, if the One is reflected through us, the highest plane, the most subtlest plane of our existence is still one dimension lower then the One.

This is not a happy outlook is it ?

However, take it a step further, what is a reflection in it's truest nature ?

An illusion.

It's simpy an illusion, it has lost subtance, in our plane, a reflection looses depth, a reflection is the difference between porn and sex…A whole realm of experience is closed to the reflection, but the reflection itself only is an illusion. And in the way the mirror is built, it even has multiple degrees of reflection reflecting upon itself…

You can go on like this all day, but at the end you come up to the conclusion that All is an illusion and since we know that All is Mind, the key to free ourself from All is to free ourselves from the Mind. This means removing the chains that binds us to the All, step by step, removing all the constructs of the minds and then, removing, even, the need for constructs, so that the formless mind can be achieved and able to experience non duality and be One.

>>63697

Tantra is a vast discipline and to any definition you will give to it, someone will come up and yell at you that the definition did not include his tradition or something.

Basically it's a coherent system to achieve liberation which is essentially divided into two parts.

The first one is where It builds upon Yoga and yogic principles to develop yourself into a purer, more harmonious and subtler being.

The scond is where the real Tantra begins. It is then, the practices that one does to reach enlightenement and liberation.

>>63699

Interesting, any good books on it?

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>>63687

you… aren't exactly wrong, are you. I suppose every answer is right to some degree

>>63698

I see why brings would stay in the light once they've been dissolved.

I feel like I want to meditate a lot on merging with my higher self before trying to be an ego on this planet.

And this makes me consider skipping steps and being a renunciate.

I've wondered "who am I" before, and is seems the answer is "in this body, whatever "I" as an ego want it to be." and then that goes on forever until consciousness is merged into total divinity.

>>63690

okay. I do still feel the need for books for techniques for "being" more.

if enlightenment is rebirth, it sounds like being born into a higher ego.

I would think that one would be more passive/interested in constant refinement/merging/dissolving.

Also. You mentioned this world is a reflection. Oh! This makes a lot of sense as to why people see fractals and imagery when the veil is pierced by psychedelics.

I like the idea of setting up altars for my specific preference. I do like the planetary way of looking at it. But I was wondering, do any of you have some good tips where to find details about specific planetary/main forces items, traditions and so on?

If I would want to make a Jupiter altar, how would I go about it? Use the obvious associations?

The reason for making it, is getting more in touch with certain energies that seem to be imbalanced in my life.

Also, after I set up an altar for a particular deity, planet or whatever, can I simply dismantle it when I want?

Any info on altars in general?

>>63698

So it sounds like the goal is to "be" at the end.

Where does sustaining the illusion/eating come in?

Why develop the illusion?

Is our developing the illusion simply according to the inopposable will of the divine to see a reflection of itself?

If one doesn't wish to participate in the illusion it seems to end oneself would be the thing, but I suppose simply knowing that one isn't real intellectually doesn't count until it is the entirety of one's being, and then one can choose whether to end it's life, since it actually isn't a choice of the self but a choice of the divine that simply Is at that point.

>>63703

It seems creation is almost hubris in itself.

Simple isness is the end, so why would one change anything? I would think change is a distortion of the reflection… or simply a ripple in the "mirror" that is forever moving.

huh.

>>63700

Well, it sounds good on paper, but most of the time it's not fit for westerners minds. It's extremely ritualistic and dogamtic, especially the first part, the second part is more relaxed and easier to digest, simply because the mind has been developed enough and does not need such silly rigid systems to keep it firm. My problem with it I guess is that it forces you to go through the system and it doesn't adapt to all individuals right from the start.

I have discovered Tantra spontaneously at the time fit for me to do so, so no, I do not know about good ressources on the first stages of it. I've heard Kali Kaula is good though, might want to take a look at that.

Those are the reasons why I generally recomend getting on yoga first until success and then passing on to tantra's completition stage. SInce yoga is less dogmatic and can be addapted more easily to the individual.

>>63705

okay, I do feel like the second part is where I've already been getting into, having recently instantly mixed everything I learn with other stuff that I think goes with it.

and your statement gives me more faith/interest about reading the book you recommended. (I'm a little overloaded on books)

>>63701

There is no killing of the ego, the ego is the final illusion that dies naturally of starvation when there is no more illusions to feed upon. It's more accurate to say the death of the ego, killing would imply a voluntary act.

Merging with the higher self is pretty silly, when there hasn't been made a good relationship with it before hand, that means seeing and talking to it and him being able to affect reality for you at best time and uide you petty explicitely. It's just a concept of the mind that has to be abandoned at some point in time. Nothing wrong in doing it, just go at your pace and don't regard it as absolute truth.

Killing the ego first and then the illusions is a sure recipe for disaster, thats what happens to those with "missfired" kundalinis who become wrecks at the end of the process. It's like starting math with calculus instead of learning to count to ten and basic addition.

Enlightenment is rebirth with no mind. There is no more ego when there is no mind, no concept, no illusions really even saying it's rebirth is garbage, there is no one to say what is enlightenment since it's non dual. I made a mistake in doing so.

>>63703

The illusions arises from the mind in an attempt to understand what is formless. The mind has a form, thus it can't undersand what is formless. So it develops the illusions, trying to put a form to the formless and the formless happily agrees to fit into whatever form it's given, just like water, you put water in the cup, it becomes the cup. But only limiting yourself on sustaining of off the cup is not very smart when there is an infinite ocean you could swim in right next to you.

I assume getting burnt up in kundalini/dying simply makes one do the advancement all over again, and refinement is the thing to do to merge/become/attain.

I'll see how often I'm called to invoke kundalini. Or should I just let it do it on its own?

I'm really tempted to do it daily, but I'm afraid I'll burn myself out, so I'll do it weekly at most for now.

>>63707

>Merging with the higher self is pretty silly,

oh. Hm, I had assumed that my higher self is one of love and that love is the state of being that I wish to achieve, as it is the most comforting one.

It seems like that would be a useful thing to do until the higher self allows itself to dissolve/be anything, as divine love would? Hm… I've had that programmed into me, and I accepted it because of its message of peace. I don't know if it's good for progress or not.

>>63706

No problem, go at your pace, peacefully and harmoniously. Even the masters continue to do the basic practices everyday, it's the fundamentals for further progress.

It's not so much you merge with your higher self as you become your higher self; I was incorrect.

>>63710

Hey, don't quote me like that :D

I said:

>Merging with the higher self is pretty silly when there hasn't been made a good relationship with it before hand

It's just that I see lots of people all happy and doodly about how the higher self is going to solve all problems "all I have is to pray to it and be thankful". Even thought that is not absolutely false, it's not right either, there is a lot more to do with the higher self (which btw, is nothing more then a well crafted thoughtform filled with divine energy) then praying it. A relationship of guidance between guru and student has to be made, that's the point of it, to offer guidance to the practicionner. The higher self is the guru, the one which puts you in the light. But at a certain point in time, the guru simply has to die and thus you shouldn't cling to it too much, since it's an illusion too. The outer guru, the physical one is just there to show the student how to start, do the practices and where to find the inner guru.

>>63715

ahh, my bad.

I see now.

>>63708

After the first raising, calm down for a while, let it act and do it's thing in the background, center and ground yourself. Then when you are ready, raise it daily or whenever you feel like it. Do not forget about daily practices, it's not because you have had a kundalini rising and meet one of the criterias of success in hatha yoga that you have to abandon it all, it becomes secondary, but still is extemely important.

>>63717

Indeed. I assumed you were right about it doing its own thing in the background; even if I don't feel it that much, my mother told me the other day that being near me makes her feel hot.

The divine fire is burning! :D

Presumably. (:

>>63717

Then,you just enjoy the process of daily self improvement, yoga and kundalini risings.

Guidance, insights and incredible changes will come.

Kundalini gives knowledge, siddhis and liberation. In that order.

How to know if you're ready for a kundalini rising?

>>63722

Do you do pranayama and energy work every day ?

If the answer is yes, then it will come when you are ready and you shouldn't worry about anything else then deepening your practices and purifying your channels. If the answer is no, you aren't ready.

Kriya yoga helps a lot in having a system which prepares and cleanses you to be able to have a a good, blissful and extatic rising,

Hey guys, some day ago I was in bed and I don't even think it was sleep paralysis but I basically woke up and looked at a dark object in my room (which existed).

Then I thought that object was a demon and a monster spawned from it and started to whisper horrible things (i just know they were horrible but I couldn't hear them).

I fell back to sleep but what I wanted to know is if that "thing" had something real about it? I'm still kinda scared to look at things at night as of now because that stuff was terrifying.

>>63726

kek what a bitchboy spirit, should've demolished his face anon

>>63727

Don't know how to do that.

Besides it caught me by surprise like holy shit a moment I'm chill looking around my room, then I see this jacket and tell to myself that it might be a demon and the moment after this thing comes out of nothing.

Guess I learned the weight of thoughts the hard way.

>>63725

I meant dark like a womb maybe, if everything came together and was infinite potential, I assumed there would be "nothing" there, other than perhaps a single point of consciousness so small it wouldn't be able to see itself.

Thank you for your detailed response.

I had representation of Śiva/the dark part of the Tao in mind when I thought of this.

>>63735

>here is a book that is easy to find and widely available

All the things you asked about exist. I am a master of no-touch techniques myself. You can vibrate fuckloads of energy through your whole body or over your dick if you want, evoke a succubus, etc. and all that will work.

>>63735

There's a big thread called "Renouncing lust".

You might not want it but you may actually need it.

>>63737

Can you explain it, or direct me to relevant literature?

>>63738

I rather redirect my lust as means to an end, rather then the means it's self, I do not want to just throw it away.

Hey fellas.

I went outside about 10 minutes ago and found myself stargazing. I spotted something near the center of the sky and soon realized that if I looked directly at it, it would almost disappear. I had to use my peripheral vision to see it. All I could really make out was that it was relatively big, huge compared to what airplanes looked like at that height, assuming it was at a similar height to that of an airplane.I stared into the sky for a while. I believe I started hallucinating because the stars at one point turned green, like Christmas lights funny enough. Then I saw something shoot from one part of the sky to another, leaving a red fiery red trail before it vanished. I've seen meteors before and they looked nothing like this. Anyone else experience something like this? Any idea what exactly I saw?

Someone answer the question about teh drugs

Are animals subject to reincarnation /fringe/? Would it be possible to get a new cat with the same "soul" as my old one?

>>63746

if you can use wizardry good enough to get that much money why would you need money when you have strong wizard powers?

>>63742

>Can you explain it, or direct me to relevant literature?

Bump

How do I get a purpose/reason to exist?

I feel like a very blank slate. I've spent my entire life trying to define myself externally, but I've found out that most of who I think I am is just a bunch of limiting beliefs. I'm not sure who I am anymore, and that's really exciting.

It's also confusing and gives me an existential crisis. I feel like I'm being tested, but I don't know what my true test is. I can't exactly puzzle out who I am, either.

I'm also worried that my life task won't amount to much. I really wish I could matter.

Any thoughts? Any meditations I could do or methods I could use? Should I focus on relying on my intuition?

>>63765

See this is the problem with modern Christianity. The Bible is ALLEGORY, he was never actually on a real cross. Majority of the bible and it's stories are metaphor to be decoded not LITERAL.

THIS is why Christians are fucking stupid, on top of their intrusive way of forcing their beliefs on EVERYONE Literally going out of their way to destroy legitimate spiritual cultures and lifestyles in order to spread brainwash cancer.

BTW

Christianity = Pagan Judaism.

>>63774

>The Bible is ALLEGORY, he was never actually on a real cross. Majority of the bible and it's stories are metaphor to be decoded not LITERAL.

i can take genesis as a possible allegorical book (or else bullshit) but the rest are most definitely written to be taken as historical accounts except for the poems, explicit visions, and proverbs. the way the rest of it is written can't be relegated to allegory, it's glaringly obvious that it purports to be historical accounts. i treat the universe as the true unadulterated word of God, and the historically assertoric content of the bible as some jews scribbling down what they allegedly heard and saw.

>inb4 it's on purpose to trick u lol

>Literally going out of their way to destroy legitimate spiritual cultures and lifestyles in order to spread brainwash cancer.

yeah that's a problem i see with every form of moral realists tbh. they try to lambast everyone into puritanical oblivion whether it's christianity or islam or social justice. i just view it as a grease trap for plebs who can't into ascension

>Christianity = Pagan Judaism

not sure what that means unless it's like christianity is to judaism as mormonism is to christianity or something

I'm currently trying to come to a deeper understanding of Memetic Magic, what resources would help me?

>>63775

Cross=Kabbalistic Cross metaphor

Spear by roman=Spear of mars

Resurrection/baptism=Christ consciousness

Kingdom of heaven=Kether being met with malkuth aka higher self alignment

>not sure what that means unless it's like christianity is to judaism as mormonism is to christianity or something

Christianity is just Judaism with pagan influence.

>>63765

He was attempting hardcore transmutations; assimilating his own human nature to that of all human-kind and by that, trying to kill all the sins of the humans (the consequences, not the acts themselves) with his own death. I don't know if he succeeded but he definitely tried. Also trying such alchemy across all time and space should've been enough to drain even a god.

Well I made that up but sounds magical doesn't it? Go read and meditate to find the truth.

>>63735

Is there reliable technique to getting full body orgasm for men?

Is there a technique for stretching out the amount of time I can masturbate joyfully before ejaculation?

Is there a meditation for orgasm without sexual touch?

Are there forms meditation that can be done during sex?

>>63791

You're wasting your life pervert.

>mantak chia

Are you still writing that manual?

>>61352

>>63765

When the christ (the oil) is crucified (crossed, in the brain), it (the process of transmutation) is finished.

It refers to a process within your own body. See book for more details.

https://www.mediafire.com/?0ca4e538w5t3hs8

Today I'm painting a bunch of stuff on my walls. A lot of it will be symbols that are important to me but I want to get /fringe/'s input on what symbols might be a good idea to paint on. ie. Protection symbols, positive energy transmutation symbols.

>tl;dr what are some symbols I should paint on my wall.

>>63792

You forced virgins are so elitist. Just give me some literature, that is more secular too.

>>63800

Thrust slowly, it's not a race.

Look at ankhing.

Look at mulha banda and bhastrika.

Make the energy move, control the breath, raise the energy again, inhale and exhale slowly, contain the breath while rising the energy.

Rinse and repeat. That's all you need to know fam, now off you go, practice, may your energy circulate and your breath be slow.

>>63802

I really don't think that's him though

>>63802

fucking kek, that one with the dick is unconfirmed