- Fringe

>>130220

It's /pol/ - they're probably not as educated or don't know any better words to convey their message with.

>>130224

That's a fair point to take into consideration. When I was a neophyte I also thought I was willingly succumbing to some kind of aberrant mental break, so in that sense I sympathize.

With that said, I feel sorry for /pol/ since most of its regulars have infodumped themselves into a delirium and are not in a position to easily discern useful material from a kind of data salad of half-truths. It isn't like we aren't used to that on other boards and certainly on here, but /pol/ is caught in a self-defeating narrative loop, and I fear that most of the exits out for them are going to be rejected out of hand. It's a shame since their energies reach such a fever pitch that they would make for fantastic initiates if they hadn't already uncritically fallen prey to a series of paranoia complexes.

Who knows, though? If this sparks something, there might be hope for them.

>>130225

I think all the /pol/acks with any potential already broke out years ago heh

>>130226

I kept lingering around them because I still fell for the idea that they were just like any other anons - oldfigs and anons from other boards - and not the mess that they still are.

>>130049

>You can enter a state of gnosis using super-strong amounts of any human emotion, but for someone who has no idea what the fuck they're doing, they should stick to stuff like Love and Happiness. Imagine something you love like really strongly and how nice it is to be with it/him/her. Imagine that someone comes up to you and gives you something really fucking awesome, like amazingly unbelievably awesome. Imagine that moment when you hit a casino jackpot, or win the lottery. Keep mentally hyping yourself up, like "Oh my god, this is happening, this is really happening!" until you hit gnosis.

I believe I've hit that kind of potent, power emotion when I got scared shitless over some mystery figure stalking me over the internet and hijacking my stuff. It's fairly recent, and it's more of a desperate "shock to action" than a negative emotion.

>>129731

thank you, i think i understand the concept.

I'll try blades since I have a bunch of knives lying around anyways.

Dad's been a piece of shit and treats me like a retard, even after 19 years. Is there a way to JUST him through gnosis or any other psychic shit?

>>127128

Can you help me to understand the differences between these different "selections"

>all of the pagan options

>all of the 卐 options

>the #woke option

>the gondola option

>the wizard options

>the "pill" options

I currently don't know much about any of these options as it stands now, the most I can confidently identify with is the national socialist option, but I want to go deeper.

>>130067

Memes of this type are disinfo. Various organizations comprising nominally different sects of a materially ruling class, typically associated with "the illuminati," are not *the* Illuminati, that is, the one which is actually important, which is without the need for classical organization. People who don't know any better take things at face/name value from other people who know even less. It's like saying that someone who knows karate also must know aikido because they're both martial arts schools, or that they are both "controlled" by kung fu, because someone who doesn't know anything about martial arts got karate chopped one time and now has a podcast about it.

>>129695

How is it being "imposed" on you?

>>129707

Pretty sure this declaration has been around and existed way before /pol/ has been a thing.

>>129708

I've never heard of a theism that doesn't recognize god as mind.

>>129708

>Welp, my "beliefs" disagree with that. There is Truth and there is falsehood. There is Order and the is chaos. There is Power and there is emptiness. These is superior and there is inferior. This is the axiom from which any spiritual path starts. We must learn to see the world with more clarity and discrimination, not less. Only to a blind man are all stones black.

Are you intentionally misunderstanding? They are saying people have the freedom to believe what they will and not be forced to believe other than what their own consciousness dictates. They also say in the last point "We affirm our evolving awareness of the nature of reality and our willingness to refine our beliefs accordingly."

This does not imply any belief is equally valid in terms of truth.

>>130045

I think I can answer the baby question with the fact they're not in time so it doesn't matter. The exact age one enters into time varies but it could be as early as 1 years old but more like 4 or 5 years old. Until that has happened there are no experiences and the human is just a complex animal running on instinct, no driver behind the wheels, no spirit. The baby is morally irrelevant.

>>129862

It looks like a painting.

>>129950

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke

The mind is a technology. Infact anything is a technology if applied as such.

>>129950

Ether sounds to me a lot like Dark Matter, that thing scientists claim exists because there's no better explanation for why the universe is expanding at an increasing rate, along with some other phenomena I'm forgetting.

>>129950

>Ether is disproved by special relativity

It wasn't "disproved".

Special relativity is a theory that explains a certain (small) set of experiments, without the need for ether. That's not the same as disproving.

What's needed is to build devices that use ether tech. Tesla did so, I believe.

>>129830

Ether is real.

>>123500

which old gods?

>>123513

No but seriously you killed a thread for this, bring something to the table if you want to be taken seriously.

That's my question: What do you have to offer us?

Which deck was she using?

Which deck do you use?

Did she charge money for her readings?

>>123508

I personally find it interesting even if it just anon reporting the expected.

OP would you be able to do readings for anons on here? For fun? If so how would we go about this? Would I ask some question for you to do a reading about?

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>muh gene pool

>muh magic

pick one, fool

Altruism isn't the problem - it's NAIVE altruism. The belief that by nature, all humans are good and if they become bad it's the fault of their environment. By the way, know what the opposite of this is called, when you believe humans are evil by nature and have to work hard for being good? Realism.

Naive altruism are believes like "Gay people are like you and me." while in reality they are the least loyal and romantically (emotionally) stable people on this planet, changing their partners like socks. Or believing that if only you give refugees a place to stay and enough money to live, they will work hard because they will be thankful.

Everyone DESERVES a chance, sure. But you should always EXPECT the worst. Noone should automatically be considered to be good just for existing alone.

>>129804

The modern Islam you're thinking of is a CIA creation.

>>129826

Have you ever actually read the Quran?

If you had you'd see ISIS is just doing what Quran tells them to.

>>129828

Have you ever actually heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?

If you had you'd see the Sith are just doing what Darth Plagueis the Wise told them to.

~E p y c [redacted] W y n n

>>129841

I see you've taken the [redacted]!

Skepticism isnt about proving people wrong. thats what edgy kids that read Dawkins and Sagan think.

I'm a Skeptic because I want to find the true nature of things and see through deception. If magick is truly real, I would want to have sure proof that it's real before I start putting my energy into it.

Stop being so self conscious that you think anyone that thinks differently from you is personally attacking you. I know theres some secret bullshit that stops you from just telling me how to do it, but honestly I just want to know if it's real or not first.

Its hard to tell on the internet because most of it are just lies or people who convinced themselves through poorly constructed logic that magic is real and they just dick tease people on because its the only thing that gives their life a semblance of control.

Don't treat skeptics as adversaries, they are a lot like you

(if youre telling the truth) they just are curious and want to learn most of the time.

>>116487

Before you read my tl;dr posts, let me put magic in materialist terms: Magic is a controlled placebo, it's playing pretend until that pretending has an effect upon the experience of the world and its elements. If you're a hard materialist, it's best to assume that it's all a bunch of horseshit and we're just adults with mental problems.

Now that that's out of the way, your post deserves an answer by an actual scientist, which I can provide. To lend some background so that you have some idea of my familiarity with the hard sciences, the scientific method, and the philosophy of science, I have a dual degree in biochemistry and pre-medicine from a public state university, granted within the last five years. I currently work as a research scientist involved in identifying foodborne pathogens. This is no appeal to authority, only an indicator to you that I am not a stranger to STEM fields when I respond here.

>If magick is truly real, I would want to have sure proof that it's real before I start putting my energy into it.

That's not the case. Unless you are the first human in history to do so, you most certainly do not base your interests and investments of your time and energy on the objective truth value of that thing. You base your value off of the personal incentives they provide to you.

Science being 'real' simply cannot be your primary motivator because you don't actually know whether or not any particular datum you classify as scientific is objectively true. You, I am quite certain, do not base your ideas about how the universe is structured on only the experiments which you can independently verify, and if you do, boy you must be an exceptionally busy person to have experimentally proven everything up to the point of being able to claim that skepticism is worth your time. People's motivations have nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not things are empirically correct, and everything to do with whether or not the experiences of those interests hold incentives.

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>>116487

>I know theres some secret bullshit that stops you from just telling me how to do it

That has never been the case, it's just that your idea of how magic works has no relation to how magic actually works. There are free resources on how to carry out magical acts, but you don't actually perform them because you're waiting to see if they work, but the only proof of them working is if they fit within your idea of what magic is, and if your idea of magic is stuff that's impossible, then magic is never possible. The moment you are given material proof of a thing which is practically workable, you then attribute it to science, that's what science has been doing since it 'broke off' from magic. You've set up conditions such that it is impossible to prove magic. Science just plays word games when it discovers magic. Google "quantum pseudo-telepathy" and then come back and try to tell me that it fits in any way, shape, or form with either classical physics or your normal experience.

Why is quantum pseudo-telepathy (just as an example) not called magic? Because at least two people in lab coats with degrees from universities that other people (their bosses) know the names of set up a series of objects in relation to a series of thoughts they had and decided to act upon, and then other people looked at those objects and their interactions and heard about the various thoughts those people in lab coats had, and those other people had thoughts of their own in turn that went along the lines of "wow, what a result but since their framework matches ours and the methodology is what we want, I guess that's right!" That's why it's called science. If you told some average person out on the street the gist of quantum pseudo-telepathy, they'd call that magic and wouldn't believe it, and yet if it has the veneer of peer-reviewed studies, suddenly, voila! It has all the versimilitude they need to buy it!

Magic is a catch-all term for what happens when you exert some conscious control over your various qualia. Whether or not this is imagined, the experience itself is the real thing. It is in fact the only thing you know, just experience, and even that, you may noPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>81903

But you missed the point of fringe, which is you don't fucking tell anyone about it.

That's kind of how magic is influenced and if you not only have other dense people influencing YOU but your magic development too then you fucked up.

>>128455

If Israel figured out Trump didn't have their best interests, then Trump wouldn't be able to con them like he has. Anyways, let's keep the discussion and esoteric, not /pol/ and mundane

also I meant ironically true, was wondering how many people I triggered by using that incorrectly lol

>>128325

>not an argument

Okay, Stefan Molyneux

>>124960

Would love more info on this.

I'm currently using NAP with incredible results. Can you tell me about the entity and how I can avoid getting something like that attached to me?

The trap you’re in is akin to solipsism. It’s circular. Just experiment and draw your own conclusions. It’s the only way.

There’s no point in anyone telling you what to think or what to do. Just experiment and decide.

>>128331

Minnesota Public Radio. Duh.

>>129670

I think you need to study Plato more and consider what his philosophy implies about imaginary beings.

>>129677

The word you're looking for is subjective.

Magick has objective manifestations and thoughts are an actual objective thing manifest on the mental plane. They are not contained in a subjective sphere of existence.

The placebo effect is a catch-all term for "wtf that guy appears to have spontaneously healed / improved, spontaneous because we can't identify the actual causal mechanism, since we deny the reality of thought-influence".

>>129691

So in the case of Solomon, he was essentially just a hardcore tulpamancer?

theres lots of literature that references him being able to control and manipulate legions of Jinn (Demons), were these all just personalities within Solomons mind? can the Jinn themselves only exist within the mind of the person who summons them or do they exist in a spiritual realm before they are summoned, is a Jinn/demon/imaginary being only brought into existence when someone creates it?

As for hivemind entities, does that mean that the God of Abraham (Yaldabaoth/Saturn etc.) only exists within the minds of the "servers" that follow it? or was the Demiurge an entity or frequency that existed first and began calling people to follow it, and the more followers it has the more powerful it becomes

>>129686

So are the effects of magick are subjective to the user, but come from an objective thought in the mind

I'll have to get around to reading the Kybalion eventually too

>>129704

Solomon's probably not real but if he was real and if the claims about him are true, then yes he absolutely was just a hardcore tulpamancer. Nobody ever admits it, but pretty much anyone who genuinely believes they were or are in contact with religious entities were in contact with imagined beings.

An imagined being solely comes into existence by being imagined into existence.

Hivemind beings exist across multiple minds which is what makes them especially powerful because if one person wants them gone, that in itself won't get rid of them. Ideas by themselves can only go so far but memes have influential power to them. Thus, the hivemind tulpa always trumps the single-minded tulpa.

Servers in this case I mean more in the technical sense, like a video game's server; but it simultaneously also would mean server in the religious sense.

~E p y c [redacted] W y n n

Hey man that's not how maths works.

It being your first roll doesn't decrease the chances of it happening.

I could roll a million or one percentile die and it won't change the probability.

>>128939

Shit. Still worth noting the importance and how you only get one chance in your life to get that good of a roll the first time you ever roll.

~E p y c [redacted] W y n n

>>128851

>But I don't even know myself if I somehow "observe" the roll without looking at it or if I "will" that roll into existance

Somewhere on the board, once upon a time and possibly now, there was a guide for neophytes that described the former as "invoking water" and the latter as "invoking fire". It was possible, the guide indicated, to do both: Invoke water and fire at the same time to see the result coming and force it to come (in other words, to know the best time to "push" or "will" it into existence, when you would encounter the least resistance).

Bonus point of indication: "Neophyte" merely means "newly initiated". It has never been an insult.

>>120438

Depends on the sort of "spirituality" you're into I guess. The Left-hand Tantrics of India use it a lot, as did a few branches of Taoism back in the day.

>>120439

There is not one fact in this post. It's some cringey nonsense you wrote to try to feel special. You have this fantasy where you are an expert that anyone at all relies on, yet you are too stupid to learn anything , so instead of trying humility you have to plague the world with another one of the billion faggotbook users "manifestos" like anyone other than narcissist con artists gives a fuck about the latest narcissist con artist methods

Kill yourself nigger

>>120438

From my experience, frequent use (4+ times a week) will make you mentally slower and weed causes you to give less fucks which isn't good for progressing in life.

I've used it in the past to "open up" and channel stuff. It's a useful crutch for opening your third eye temporarily, but it's just a crutch and if you're not careful you will end up depending on it.

Same with many other "medicines" such as ayahuasca, mushrooms or whatever. Even alcohol and tobacco. In my opinion they are useful as a one-time experience so as to know what you're looking to do feels like, that's it.

Absolutely don't use them regularly or for pleasure or fun.

>>128760

You avoid ASMR done by men because you're afraid to acknowledge your sexuality.

>>129349

He's wrong about purposefully trying to trigger people. That's acting from the ego in order to maintain a perceived spiritual superiority. Whomever came up with that is a fraud.

Present your information in black text on white background and let it find whomever it needs to.

Who does he think he is, playing smartass like that? I feel sorry for his lowly ego based antics.

>>129593

give this a watch, it goes deep into the intricacies of memetics and its implications. keep in mind this game came out in 2001

>>129539

I had one. they're more trouble than they are worth imo.

>>129542

Be strong, be true, be kind. don't let things take advantage of yyou you will be fine. I never fucked with tulpas but I did have magickal experience prior and some is probably necessary to keep yourself sane/grounded.

>>129542

I'm sorry to have the bearer of bad news. However, as the previous posters have stated, there are ways to redemption and getting back on track. There is always a way. Here's my advice.

>perform cleansing and banishing rituals throughout your home

>meditate with the full intent and desire to cleanse your mind every day for at least 15 minutes

>wet fast for 3 days during this process

>cleanse your body with garlic, onion, and distilled water. Avoid garlic and onion afterward

Doing this ahould mentally and physically "reset" you. Spiritual matters are up to you, as your desire and intent will determine that. Make sure you practice your banishing rituals, because they're less effective if you can't properly draw a pentacle or hexagram in the air, let alone visualize the entire process.

I wish you the best of luck, my friend. And next time remember to READ READ READ. But never forsake responsible practice.

fucking ratpiss occultists